Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!

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This statement right here is where you show a more limited knowledge of Mendoza then the people you are debating, his overhand right is by far his money punch. You mention Edwin Valero and Ponce de Leon, they have won titles because they got title shots against much lower competition than Mendoza. Valero won against Mosquera, and underrated fighter to be sure, but nowhere near the skill level of Dawson, I had to look up who DPDL won his title against, that was Gerson Guerrero can't say that I'd rank him as world class or well known, and certainly not at the level of Dawson. If Mendoza fought someone that happened to have a title that was at the skill level of Guerrero his power would give him more than a good chance.

Sheep i have seen 3 of Mendoza's fights i think thats enough to judge him, he often slaps with the right hand because he doesn't turn his hips into the shot. His uppercut is one of his best punches, and its the punch that was most effective against Jeff Lacy.

The point i was making about Daniel Ponce De Leon is that forgetting who he won the title off, he has stopped top 5 world title challengers i believe ? which means he has the power at world class, despite his lack of technique. I don't think your find anyone on this board questioning Daniel Ponce De Leon's power.

Vicente Mosquera won the Super Featherweight title, and had only been knocked down once in his career, i would say he was a top quality fighter and what Edwin Valero done to him was very impressive, and why are you bringing up Mendoza vs Dawson ? Mendoza lost to Dawson so i don't see your point. Infact the only claim to fame Mendoza has which i actually see at the time, was his KO victory over the decent Rubin Williams, any other time he has stepped up he has lost.

So if he can't make his power apparent against top 10 Super Middleweights, that means he hasn't got world class power. I know your comeback and say Jeff Lacy is a top 10 Super Middleweight but come on, he is a shot fighter. His punch resistance looked shaky against Tsypko who is only a decent puncher.

So all three times that Mendoza made Lacy lose his legs with overhand right they weren't effective punches? And I also don't understand why when you say you have seen 3 fights of Mendoza's it's enough to make a judgement, but when others have seen the same three fights, it's not enough for them to make judgement, you're reaching here. Just because he wasn't able to catch Dawson clean, doesn't mean the power isn't there.
And the relevance of him not making title defenses is because he had a more difficult time getting there. Tell you what man, obviously we are not going to change each other's minds here so why don't we take a poll........

I said he often slaps with right hands i never said he couldn't throw, an effective right hand at all. I was saying majority of the time he slaps with the right hand, Sheep when did i ever say its not enough for you or any other members to make a judgement ? did i or did i not say earlier, we have our own opinions and that i may or may not be right and vice a versa ?

You can make a poll if you want but like i said i like going with my own opinion, i just think we are going round in circles here. And we will have to agree to disagree, i say he has a good power but his flawed technique. Stops him from having world class power IMO, plus it doesn't help that his punches are slow, because speed generates power. But thats as much as i'll agree with you on regarding Mendoza's power.

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Sheep i have seen 3 of Mendoza's fights i think thats enough to judge him, he often slaps with the right hand because he doesn't turn his hips into the shot. His uppercut is one of his best punches, and its the punch that was most effective against Jeff Lacy.

The point i was making about Daniel Ponce De Leon is that forgetting who he won the title off, he has stopped top 5 world title challengers i believe ? which means he has the power at world class, despite his lack of technique. I don't think your find anyone on this board questioning Daniel Ponce De Leon's power.

Vicente Mosquera won the Super Featherweight title, and had only been knocked down once in his career, i would say he was a top quality fighter and what Edwin Valero done to him was very impressive, and why are you bringing up Mendoza vs Dawson ? Mendoza lost to Dawson so i don't see your point. Infact the only claim to fame Mendoza has which i actually see at the time, was his KO victory over the decent Rubin Williams, any other time he has stepped up he has lost.

So if he can't make his power apparent against top 10 Super Middleweights, that means he hasn't got world class power. I know your comeback and say Jeff Lacy is a top 10 Super Middleweight but come on, he is a shot fighter. His punch resistance looked shaky against Tsypko who is only a decent puncher.

So all three times that Mendoza made Lacy lose his legs with overhand right they weren't effective punches? And I also don't understand why when you say you have seen 3 fights of Mendoza's it's enough to make a judgement, but when others have seen the same three fights, it's not enough for them to make judgement, you're reaching here. Just because he wasn't able to catch Dawson clean, doesn't mean the power isn't there.
And the relevance of him not making title defenses is because he had a more difficult time getting there. Tell you what man, obviously we are not going to change each other's minds here so why don't we take a poll........

I said he often slaps with right hands i never said he couldn't throw, an effective right hand at all. I was saying majority of the time he slaps with the right hand, Sheep when did i ever say its not enough for you or any other members to make a judgement ? did i or did i not say earlier, we have our own opinions and that i may or may not be right and vice a versa ?

You can make a poll if you want but like i said i like going with my own opinion, i just think we are going round in circles here. And we will have to agree to disagree, i say he has a good power but his flawed technique. Stops him from having world class power IMO, plus it doesn't help that his punches are slow, because speed generates power. But thats as much as i'll agree with you on regarding Mendoza's power.

Ok seeing as how ultimately at this point we are having a war of the definition of World Class Power, we can solve this debate right here, this is an easy solution

Define: "World Class Power" for me.

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So all three times that Mendoza made Lacy lose his legs with overhand right they weren't effective punches? And I also don't understand why when you say you have seen 3 fights of Mendoza's it's enough to make a judgement, but when others have seen the same three fights, it's not enough for them to make judgement, you're reaching here. Just because he wasn't able to catch Dawson clean, doesn't mean the power isn't there.
And the relevance of him not making title defenses is because he had a more difficult time getting there. Tell you what man, obviously we are not going to change each other's minds here so why don't we take a poll........

I said he often slaps with right hands i never said he couldn't throw, an effective right hand at all. I was saying majority of the time he slaps with the right hand, Sheep when did i ever say its not enough for you or any other members to make a judgement ? did i or did i not say earlier, we have our own opinions and that i may or may not be right and vice a versa ?

You can make a poll if you want but like i said i like going with my own opinion, i just think we are going round in circles here. And we will have to agree to disagree, i say he has a good power but his flawed technique. Stops him from having world class power IMO, plus it doesn't help that his punches are slow, because speed generates power. But thats as much as i'll agree with you on regarding Mendoza's power.

Ok seeing as how ultimately at this point we are having a war of the definition of World Class Power, we can solve this debate right here, this is an easy solution

Define: "World Class Power" for me.

Fighters who can stop World class opposition.

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I said he often slaps with right hands i never said he couldn't throw, an effective right hand at all. I was saying majority of the time he slaps with the right hand, Sheep when did i ever say its not enough for you or any other members to make a judgement ? did i or did i not say earlier, we have our own opinions and that i may or may not be right and vice a versa ?

You can make a poll if you want but like i said i like going with my own opinion, i just think we are going round in circles here. And we will have to agree to disagree, i say he has a good power but his flawed technique. Stops him from having world class power IMO, plus it doesn't help that his punches are slow, because speed generates power. But thats as much as i'll agree with you on regarding Mendoza's power.

Ok seeing as how ultimately at this point we are having a war of the definition of World Class Power, we can solve this debate right here, this is an easy solution

Define: "World Class Power" for me.

Fighters who can stop World class opposition.

So Joe Calzaghe has World Class power?

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Ok seeing as how ultimately at this point we are having a war of the definition of World Class Power, we can solve this debate right here, this is an easy solution

Define: "World Class Power" for me.

Fighters who can stop World class opposition.

So Joe Calzaghe has World Class power?

Yes he used to have at one point he had 22 wins, 21 Ko's and was considering a banger. He also knocked down iron chinned Chris Eubank twice, ever since he had the hand surgery i believe in 2000, he hasn't ever been the same power wise. Hence why he has been slapping more, and hence why his KO ratio has gone way down.

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Cornball moment : I think it's a good testament to us as fans that an also ran type like Mendoza generates this much debate.Not every thing has to be about Pac/Cotto/Delahoya/etc.Actually made me pull his fight with Rowland (?) off the shelf,He really got his ears boxed off.Just thinking out loud.

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Cornball moment : I think it's a good testament to us as fans that an also ran type like Mendoza generates this much debate.Not every thing has to be about Pac/Cotto/Delahoya/etc.Actually made me pull his fight with Rowland (?) off the shelf,He really got his ears boxed off.Just thinking out loud.

Yea its a good debate with good points made all round IMO.