Taylor-Lacy: All or nothing !!!

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I would like to note you have moved from saying he doesn't have "world class power" to the argument he isn't a "world class puncher". Now it may seem like I'm splitting hairs here, but that seems to be the basis of your argument, George Foreman is another example of someone who had "world class power", but not a "world class puncher". I say this because his technique was horrible, but you could not deny his power. You are calling me out for not seeing enough of Mendoza's fights, I have seen more of his fights than you however on telemundo and espn2, I haven't been able to find clips of them to show you though. Fights to see his power are Williams (which you have seen), Vegara and Hammond.

I've said from the start he doesn't have world class power, nor is he a world class puncher his technique is horrible. And just because George Foreman could punch while not being technically sound. Doesn't mean Mendoza is in that league i think thats very flawed logic.

Secondly i said i've doubt you have seen many Mendoza fights, because many members who do follow boxing very closely. Hadn't even heard of him or had only seen 1 or 2 of his fights, thats why i said it not because im trying to insult you, but if you have then great. But from the fights i've seen i think his punches are very sloppy, he doesn't plant his feet, he doesn't use his hips which is important. And the only real punch he seems to be effective with is the uppercut.

I think calling him a world class puncher is way off base IMO, but like i said just because i think that way doesn't mean im right. I have my opinion like you have yours. As i said yesterday this is a stalemate, you believe one thing i believe another, i don't think we are gonna change eachother's minds. The only thing i'll agree on is that he has good power but not at world class level.

If he had world class power like you say then he would of been one of the top Super Middleweights. Because the division has been weak for sometime, and if he did have that kind of power im sure he would be a top 10 Super Middleweight by now, look at Edwin Valero, Daniel Ponce De Leon, for examples. There not technically sound but both have won world titles, you know why ? because they have World class power, if Mendoza was in that league regarding power, even though he has technical flaws. I would bet all my life savings he would be well up there regarding the Super Middleweight rankings.

This statement right here is where you show a more limited knowledge of Mendoza then the people you are debating, his overhand right is by far his money punch. You mention Edwin Valero and Ponce de Leon, they have won titles because they got title shots against much lower competition than Mendoza. Valero won against Mosquera, and underrated fighter to be sure, but nowhere near the skill level of Dawson, I had to look up who DPDL won his title against, that was Gerson Guerrero can't say that I'd rank him as world class or well known, and certainly not at the level of Dawson. If Mendoza fought someone that happened to have a title that was at the skill level of Guerrero his power would give him more than a good chance.

Sheep i have seen 3 of Mendoza's fights i think thats enough to judge him, he often slaps with the right hand because he doesn't turn his hips into the shot. His uppercut is one of his best punches, and its the punch that was most effective against Jeff Lacy.

The point i was making about Daniel Ponce De Leon is that forgetting who he won the title off, he has stopped top 5 world title challengers i believe ? which means he has the power at world class, despite his lack of technique. I don't think your find anyone on this board questioning Daniel Ponce De Leon's power.

Vicente Mosquera won the Super Featherweight title, and had only been knocked down once in his career, i would say he was a top quality fighter and what Edwin Valero done to him was very impressive, and why are you bringing up Mendoza vs Dawson ? Mendoza lost to Dawson so i don't see your point. Infact the only claim to fame Mendoza has which i actually see at the time, was his KO victory over the decent Rubin Williams, any other time he has stepped up he has lost.

So if he can't make his power apparent against top 10 Super Middleweights, that means he hasn't got world class power. I know your comeback and say Jeff Lacy is a top 10 Super Middleweight but come on, he is a shot fighter. His punch resistance looked shaky against Tsypko who is only a decent puncher.