could calzaghe ever compete with this ?(roy jones jr in his prime)

[Kev]

Joe Calzaghe's chin as good as Hopkins, Toney ? i can't imagine either of those fighters being dropped like a sack against a mediocre puncher, like Kabary Salem.

Well Salem did kill a man in the ring so I'm guessing he's capable of doing some damage.

I don't recall Reggie Johnson being a knockout machine either.

But you're splitting hairs as usual Ice. The fact is Calzaghe has never been stopped in 45 fights and when he's been down he's always come back to win.

The only time he ever got hurt he got the guy out of there in the same round. His chin is proven, his talent is proven, his resume is proven.

It's funny that when he beats Jones you'll all say it's because Jones was washed up even though he's only 3 years older than Calzaghe and 4 years younger than Hopkins.

Tarver is older than Jones but I guess he only beat Jones becuase he's the fresher man right?

If Jones hasn't been able to adapt his style in the light of advancing age in the way that other great fighters have then it's marks off him I'm afraid.

He hasn't been in any ring wars that have taken their toll, he didn't get for the first 40 or so fights of his career. When he did we finally saw that he wasn't as invincible as we thought.

Don't get me wrong I love Roy Jones, the man's a legend but to assume he is so much better than Joe that he could whup in 5 rounds is just unrealistic. I know it wasn't you who said that......

Calzaghe would be a tough fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

Actually people are saying jones is washed up NOW so im saying it before the fight and im saying it AFTER. and its well known Jones is past it anyway so u might as well get that out ur mind.

and tarver is that much older than jones maybe by a few months but thats it.

Jones was considered unbeatable until he lost, then he became 'shot'

It's similar to Mike Tyson but even worse. Whereas it's just clueless casual fans who think a prime Tyson was unbeatable and would have destroyed any fighter alive even serious fans of boxing seem to think that a prime Jones Jr could have made a fool out of every fighter who ever lived.

No doubt Jones at his peak was exceptionally good but nobody is unbeatable and nobody is the perfect fighter.

I'm not saying Calzaghe would beat Jones, but honestly a prime matchup would be a tough fight for both men.

And ultimately if Jones isn't able to adapt to his slowing years, and change his fight style to acomodate then as I said before it's a mark against him.

Nearly all truly great champs have overcome adversity and bounced back to win when not expected to, Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Foreman.

As it stands Jones was never able to avenge a loss, and never won a big fight after being defeated for the first time.

He has just as much to prove going into this fight as Joe imo.

And I really don't think Jones is shot either, he's slowed slightly and will have to fight more carefully now but he's still Roy Jones and Calzaghe himself is at the end of his career plagued with hand troubles.

This is going to be a great fight and whoever wins will deserve maximum respect.

[Taeth]

Well Salem did kill a man in the ring so I'm guessing he's capable of doing some damage.

I don't recall Reggie Johnson being a knockout machine either.

But you're splitting hairs as usual Ice. The fact is Calzaghe has never been stopped in 45 fights and when he's been down he's always come back to win.

The only time he ever got hurt he got the guy out of there in the same round. His chin is proven, his talent is proven, his resume is proven.

It's funny that when he beats Jones you'll all say it's because Jones was washed up even though he's only 3 years older than Calzaghe and 4 years younger than Hopkins.

Tarver is older than Jones but I guess he only beat Jones becuase he's the fresher man right?

If Jones hasn't been able to adapt his style in the light of advancing age in the way that other great fighters have then it's marks off him I'm afraid.

He hasn't been in any ring wars that have taken their toll, he didn't get for the first 40 or so fights of his career. When he did we finally saw that he wasn't as invincible as we thought.

Don't get me wrong I love Roy Jones, the man's a legend but to assume he is so much better than Joe that he could whup in 5 rounds is just unrealistic. I know it wasn't you who said that......

Calzaghe would be a tough fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

Actually people are saying jones is washed up NOW so im saying it before the fight and im saying it AFTER. and its well known Jones is past it anyway so u might as well get that out ur mind.

and tarver is that much older than jones maybe by a few months but thats it.

Jones was considered unbeatable until he lost, then he became 'shot'

It's similar to Mike Tyson but even worse. Whereas it's just clueless casual fans who think a prime Tyson was unbeatable and would have destroyed any fighter alive even serious fans of boxing seem to think that a prime Jones Jr could have made a fool out of every fighter who ever lived.

No doubt Jones at his peak was exceptionally good but nobody is unbeatable and nobody is the perfect fighter.

I'm not saying Calzaghe would beat Jones, but honestly a prime matchup would be a tough fight for both men.

And ultimately if Jones isn't able to adapt to his slowing years, and change his fight style to acomodate then as I said before it's a mark against him.

Nearly all truly great champs have overcome adversity and bounced back to win when not expected to, Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Foreman.

As it stands Jones was never able to avenge a loss, and never won a big fight after being defeated for the first time.

He has just as much to prove going into this fight as Joe imo.

And I really don't think Jones is shot either, he's slowed slightly and will have to fight more carefully now but he's still Roy Jones and Calzaghe himself is at the end of his career plagued with hand troubles.

This is going to be a great fight and whoever wins will deserve maximum respect.

The reason the guys that came back to win were able to was because they had great chins.

Foreman was being pummeled before he landed one punch.
Robinson was beaten by guys that wouldn't have lasted 6 rounds against him in his prime, but he had the chin to percevere.
If Leonard didn't have a great chin he wouldn't have lasted against Hagler who was landing hard shots on him

Leonard got his ass kicked by Terry Norris when he was 35, then by Camacho
Robinson got his ass kicked at the end of his career by Joey Archer( he was floored by a guy who had 8 ko's in his whole 60+ fight career)
So did Ali
So did Foreman by Tommy Morrison


Duran is the one example of a guy that you mentioned that came back and fought great when he was older, and guess what He was less naturally talented then any of the other guys. he didn't have Foreman's power or Leonard, Ali, or Robinson's speed. He had to go through adversity his whole career. But even Duran had a really good chin.

perfect example is Roy clearly beat Bernard with a broken right hand, but Bernard obviously handled adversity better as they got older, but that doesn't mean he beat Roy when they fought.

[Althugz]

Jones can get it done this Saturday. Calzaghe has earned my respect these past few years but if Roy shows even half of the brilliance he did in his prime then he wins....I hope and believe he can.

The only thing about Roy is that he never fights for a knockout anymore. If he can land those sharp, crisp shots at speed like he did against Trinidad then it's goodnight JC. Joe is defensively vulnerable as we saw against Bhop and his dynamo workrate is pretty much his defence.

RJJ will fancy picking holes through the pitty pat punches. If he has him hurt he needs to finish it because Joe won't tire down the stretch.

I'm hoping for and predicting a legendary Roy Jones victory.

[kingfrnk]

Jones can get it done this Saturday. Calzaghe has earned my respect these past few years but if Roy shows even half of the brilliance he did in his prime then he wins....I hope and believe he can.

The only thing about Roy is that he never fights for a knockout anymore. If he can land those sharp, crisp shots at speed like he did against Trinidad then it's goodnight JC. Joe is defensively vulnerable as we saw against Bhop and his dynamo workrate is pretty much his defence.

RJJ will fancy picking holes through the pitty pat punches. If he has him hurt he needs to finish it because Joe won't tire down the stretch.

I'm hoping for and predicting a legendary Roy Jones victory.

yea i fell Roy can land those hard right hands threw Calslappys slaps, but does roy know he can do it?

[Taeth]

IMO on Saturday Roy has more to worry about than Calzaghe, people forget that Joe has respectable power when he actually throws punches properly. Therei s a reason he has 32 ko's, why Lacy and kessler felt his power. I think when Calzaghe throws combinations he tends to get slappy, but it effects his opponents as Kessler can atest to. I think I could see Roy getting ko'ed easier then I see Joe getting ko'ed simply because Roy couldn't stop Trinidad, not because he couldn't I guess, but because he doesn't back up his work anymore, he throws a few punches, but he can't step on the peddle after that, and against Joe that is big trouble because Kessler was able to outbox Calzaghe punch for punch earlier on, but everytime he did that Calzaghe would step up the pace and drown Kessler's effectiveness with his workrate.