could calzaghe ever compete with this ?(roy jones jr in his prime)

[kingfrnk]

I think it's kind of amusing the almost mythical status Jones Jr of a decade ago has.

Personally I think a prime Roy Jones versus a prime Joe Calzaghe is one hell of a matchup.

Jones would have to be favourite but those who think Calzaghe would get blown away in 5 rounds are just wishful thinking.

Calzaghe has never even lost a fight let alone been knocked out, his chin is as solid and proven as Hopkins or Jame Toney.

Whenever they fought it goes the distance imo and the fact is, as Roy Jones even says himself, he has never fought a fighter like Calzaghe either so we really don't know for sure what would happen.

WRONG if u look at calzaghe in his prime he shows nothin special, but look at jones in his prime he str8 destroyed his opponents and made them look like sparring partners did joe do any of that NO.

and his chin is nothing like Hopkins or Toney, Joe has flash knockdowns as he showed against hopkins and the only time bhop has been down was agains Mercado and fought back to a draw AND has fought a PRIME roy jones, felix trinidad (feared power puncher), antonio tarver (who kod Jones) and kelly pavlik. Joe has NOT fought power punchers like Hopkins. EVER

Well you were about 10 years old when Jones was in his prime so really what do you know

The fact is Jones Jr looked spectaculat beating up on largely ordinary fighters.

Don't get me wrong he's beaten some great fighters too but looking spectacular doesn't equal winning every fight.

I know some of you like to think he was God until for some reason his chin packed up in the rematch with Tarver but the truth is that Jones in his early days was technically flawed but so athletically gifted he could get away with it.

Calzaghe would have been faster than any fighter he ever faced and wouldn't have allowed Jones to get into a rythm.

Not saying Calzaghe would definitely win, but it's by means a blowout.

You don't get to be 45-0 and to unify all four title belts in a division without being incredibly good. Calzaghe at his best is not an easy fight for any man in the world, not even the mythically perfect fighter that was Roy Jones Jr.

And excatly WTF my age has to do with any of this, NOTHING AT ALL and u shouldnt even bring up tarver since were talkin about SMWs anyway the FACT is a prime Roy jones at 168 would fukin rape JOE thats it joe doest have great defense like prime JAMES TONEY did and he was p4p 2 or 3 at the time and wat make u think he wont embarrASS joe like that hmm

[ICB]

I think it's kind of amusing the almost mythical status Jones Jr of a decade ago has.

Personally I think a prime Roy Jones versus a prime Joe Calzaghe is one hell of a matchup.

Jones would have to be favourite but those who think Calzaghe would get blown away in 5 rounds are just wishful thinking.

Calzaghe has never even lost a fight let alone been knocked out, his chin is as solid and proven as Hopkins or Jame Toney.

Whenever they fought it goes the distance imo and the fact is, as Roy Jones even says himself, he has never fought a fighter like Calzaghe either so we really don't know for sure what would happen.

Joe Calzaghe's chin as good as Hopkins, Toney ? i can't imagine either of those fighters being dropped like a sack against a mediocre puncher, like Kabary Salem.

[Kev]

I think it's kind of amusing the almost mythical status Jones Jr of a decade ago has.

Personally I think a prime Roy Jones versus a prime Joe Calzaghe is one hell of a matchup.

Jones would have to be favourite but those who think Calzaghe would get blown away in 5 rounds are just wishful thinking.

Calzaghe has never even lost a fight let alone been knocked out, his chin is as solid and proven as Hopkins or Jame Toney.

Whenever they fought it goes the distance imo and the fact is, as Roy Jones even says himself, he has never fought a fighter like Calzaghe either so we really don't know for sure what would happen.

Joe Calzaghe's chin as good as Hopkins, Toney ? i can't imagine either of those fighters being dropped like a sack against a mediocre puncher, like Kabary Salem.

Well Salem did kill a man in the ring so I'm guessing he's capable of doing some damage.

I don't recall Reggie Johnson being a knockout machine either.

But you're splitting hairs as usual Ice. The fact is Calzaghe has never been stopped in 45 fights and when he's been down he's always come back to win.

The only time he ever got hurt he got the guy out of there in the same round. His chin is proven, his talent is proven, his resume is proven.

It's funny that when he beats Jones you'll all say it's because Jones was washed up even though he's only 3 years older than Calzaghe and 4 years younger than Hopkins.

Tarver is older than Jones but I guess he only beat Jones becuase he's the fresher man right?

If Jones hasn't been able to adapt his style in the light of advancing age in the way that other great fighters have then it's marks off him I'm afraid.

He hasn't been in any ring wars that have taken their toll, he didn't get for the first 40 or so fights of his career. When he did we finally saw that he wasn't as invincible as we thought.

Don't get me wrong I love Roy Jones, the man's a legend but to assume he is so much better than Joe that he could whup in 5 rounds is just unrealistic. I know it wasn't you who said that......

Calzaghe would be a tough fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

[kingfrnk]

I think it's kind of amusing the almost mythical status Jones Jr of a decade ago has.

Personally I think a prime Roy Jones versus a prime Joe Calzaghe is one hell of a matchup.

Jones would have to be favourite but those who think Calzaghe would get blown away in 5 rounds are just wishful thinking.

Calzaghe has never even lost a fight let alone been knocked out, his chin is as solid and proven as Hopkins or Jame Toney.

Whenever they fought it goes the distance imo and the fact is, as Roy Jones even says himself, he has never fought a fighter like Calzaghe either so we really don't know for sure what would happen.

Joe Calzaghe's chin as good as Hopkins, Toney ? i can't imagine either of those fighters being dropped like a sack against a mediocre puncher, like Kabary Salem.

Well Salem did kill a man in the ring so I'm guessing he's capable of doing some damage.

I don't recall Reggie Johnson being a knockout machine either.

But you're splitting hairs as usual Ice. The fact is Calzaghe has never been stopped in 45 fights and when he's been down he's always come back to win.

The only time he ever got hurt he got the guy out of there in the same round. His chin is proven, his talent is proven, his resume is proven.

It's funny that when he beats Jones you'll all say it's because Jones was washed up even though he's only 3 years older than Calzaghe and 4 years younger than Hopkins.

Tarver is older than Jones but I guess he only beat Jones becuase he's the fresher man right?

If Jones hasn't been able to adapt his style in the light of advancing age in the way that other great fighters have then it's marks off him I'm afraid.

He hasn't been in any ring wars that have taken their toll, he didn't get for the first 40 or so fights of his career. When he did we finally saw that he wasn't as invincible as we thought.

Don't get me wrong I love Roy Jones, the man's a legend but to assume he is so much better than Joe that he could whup in 5 rounds is just unrealistic. I know it wasn't you who said that......

Calzaghe would be a tough fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

Actually people are saying jones is washed up NOW so im saying it before the fight and im saying it AFTER. and its well known Jones is past it anyway so u might as well get that out ur mind.

and tarver is that much older than jones maybe by a few months but thats it.

[Kev]

Joe Calzaghe's chin as good as Hopkins, Toney ? i can't imagine either of those fighters being dropped like a sack against a mediocre puncher, like Kabary Salem.

Well Salem did kill a man in the ring so I'm guessing he's capable of doing some damage.

I don't recall Reggie Johnson being a knockout machine either.

But you're splitting hairs as usual Ice. The fact is Calzaghe has never been stopped in 45 fights and when he's been down he's always come back to win.

The only time he ever got hurt he got the guy out of there in the same round. His chin is proven, his talent is proven, his resume is proven.

It's funny that when he beats Jones you'll all say it's because Jones was washed up even though he's only 3 years older than Calzaghe and 4 years younger than Hopkins.

Tarver is older than Jones but I guess he only beat Jones becuase he's the fresher man right?

If Jones hasn't been able to adapt his style in the light of advancing age in the way that other great fighters have then it's marks off him I'm afraid.

He hasn't been in any ring wars that have taken their toll, he didn't get for the first 40 or so fights of his career. When he did we finally saw that he wasn't as invincible as we thought.

Don't get me wrong I love Roy Jones, the man's a legend but to assume he is so much better than Joe that he could whup in 5 rounds is just unrealistic. I know it wasn't you who said that......

Calzaghe would be a tough fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

Actually people are saying jones is washed up NOW so im saying it before the fight and im saying it AFTER. and its well known Jones is past it anyway so u might as well get that out ur mind.

and tarver is that much older than jones maybe by a few months but thats it.

Jones was considered unbeatable until he lost, then he became 'shot'

It's similar to Mike Tyson but even worse. Whereas it's just clueless casual fans who think a prime Tyson was unbeatable and would have destroyed any fighter alive even serious fans of boxing seem to think that a prime Jones Jr could have made a fool out of every fighter who ever lived.

No doubt Jones at his peak was exceptionally good but nobody is unbeatable and nobody is the perfect fighter.

I'm not saying Calzaghe would beat Jones, but honestly a prime matchup would be a tough fight for both men.

And ultimately if Jones isn't able to adapt to his slowing years, and change his fight style to acomodate then as I said before it's a mark against him.

Nearly all truly great champs have overcome adversity and bounced back to win when not expected to, Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Foreman.

As it stands Jones was never able to avenge a loss, and never won a big fight after being defeated for the first time.

He has just as much to prove going into this fight as Joe imo.

And I really don't think Jones is shot either, he's slowed slightly and will have to fight more carefully now but he's still Roy Jones and Calzaghe himself is at the end of his career plagued with hand troubles.

This is going to be a great fight and whoever wins will deserve maximum respect.

[Taeth]

Bilbo your being a dumbass, you are saying that we, because of age know, nothing. I for one have seen every Roy Jones Jr fight he has had as pro and many of his amateur fights. He is the first fighter who's whole career I have watched, and he didn't jsut beat largely ordinary fighters. James Toney, Montell Griffin, Mike MacCallum, Bernard Hopkins, Virgill Hill are not just ordinary fights. Even after that many of his opponents were champions or became champions. More importantly tt also the manner in which he beat them.

Roy Jones dominated the good fighers and the average fighers alike. They were all the same to him, yet Calzaghe was hot and cold, but even when he was hot, he never dominated comparably worse competition than Jones anywhere near to the same extent. Roy had the better competition in their respective primes, and he dominated that better competition far more thoroughly then Calzaghe EVER did.

Also you talking about Jones vs Tarver is mute. Jones beat Tarver handidly after coming down 15-20 pounds in muscle. When has Calzaghe ever delt with diversity anything like that? The second fight Jones was winning for what short amount of it they fought before he got caught by a huge counter punch. Let's see Calzaghe handle that same punch, but regardless Calzaghe has foughten largely weak competition up until his last two fights. He hasn't challenged himself the saem way Jones has. After the Tarver fight Roy has been gunshy, He lost so badly to Glen Johnson because he fought nothing like he did in his prime. It was a matter of him not adapting it was a matter of him fighting horribly. He didn't keep his hands up on the ropes, he didn't throw punches with mean intent. He didn't have any handspeed in that fight, and he didn't fight defensively at all. He underestimated Glen Johnson and payed a heavy price.

You make the argument that Joe has a good chin but to compare it to Toney's is dumb, he's been hurt way more then Toney by way weaker opponents. I said Toney was weight drained against Reggie Johnson.

Regardless Joe gets beat handidly by Roy, its Joe that wouldn't be able to get off because he would be getting countered nearly everytime he punched. Whereas his less spectacular speed(which Roy delt with in Reggie Johnson and young Hopkins) wouldn't be fast enough to bother Roy at all.

You know the reason Roy hasn't adapted as successfully as an old man? Because he didn't have to work as hard, opponents weren't able to do anything against him. That gives him marks because it means that in his prime he was so much better than guys like Joe Calzaghe that it has caused him problems as those abilities have diminished. They weren't as good so they needed to adapt.

All in all you ask anybody who knows anything about boxing and they will tell you prime Roy beats prime Joe by wide UD.

[Taeth]

Well Salem did kill a man in the ring so I'm guessing he's capable of doing some damage.

I don't recall Reggie Johnson being a knockout machine either.

But you're splitting hairs as usual Ice. The fact is Calzaghe has never been stopped in 45 fights and when he's been down he's always come back to win.

The only time he ever got hurt he got the guy out of there in the same round. His chin is proven, his talent is proven, his resume is proven.

It's funny that when he beats Jones you'll all say it's because Jones was washed up even though he's only 3 years older than Calzaghe and 4 years younger than Hopkins.

Tarver is older than Jones but I guess he only beat Jones becuase he's the fresher man right?

If Jones hasn't been able to adapt his style in the light of advancing age in the way that other great fighters have then it's marks off him I'm afraid.

He hasn't been in any ring wars that have taken their toll, he didn't get for the first 40 or so fights of his career. When he did we finally saw that he wasn't as invincible as we thought.

Don't get me wrong I love Roy Jones, the man's a legend but to assume he is so much better than Joe that he could whup in 5 rounds is just unrealistic. I know it wasn't you who said that......

Calzaghe would be a tough fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

Actually people are saying jones is washed up NOW so im saying it before the fight and im saying it AFTER. and its well known Jones is past it anyway so u might as well get that out ur mind.

and tarver is that much older than jones maybe by a few months but thats it.

Jones was considered unbeatable until he lost, then he became 'shot'

It's similar to Mike Tyson but even worse. Whereas it's just clueless casual fans who think a prime Tyson was unbeatable and would have destroyed any fighter alive even serious fans of boxing seem to think that a prime Jones Jr could have made a fool out of every fighter who ever lived.

No doubt Jones at his peak was exceptionally good but nobody is unbeatable and nobody is the perfect fighter.

I'm not saying Calzaghe would beat Jones, but honestly a prime matchup would be a tough fight for both men.

And ultimately if Jones isn't able to adapt to his slowing years, and change his fight style to acomodate then as I said before it's a mark against him.

Nearly all truly great champs have overcome adversity and bounced back to win when not expected to, Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Foreman.

As it stands Jones was never able to avenge a loss, and never won a big fight after being defeated for the first time.

He has just as much to prove going into this fight as Joe imo.

And I really don't think Jones is shot either, he's slowed slightly and will have to fight more carefully now but he's still Roy Jones and Calzaghe himself is at the end of his career plagued with hand troubles.

This is going to be a great fight and whoever wins will deserve maximum respect.

The reason the guys that came back to win were able to was because they had great chins.

Foreman was being pummeled before he landed one punch.
Robinson was beaten by guys that wouldn't have lasted 6 rounds against him in his prime, but he had the chin to percevere.
If Leonard didn't have a great chin he wouldn't have lasted against Hagler who was landing hard shots on him

Leonard got his ass kicked by Terry Norris when he was 35, then by Camacho
Robinson got his ass kicked at the end of his career by Joey Archer( he was floored by a guy who had 8 ko's in his whole 60+ fight career)
So did Ali
So did Foreman by Tommy Morrison


Duran is the one example of a guy that you mentioned that came back and fought great when he was older, and guess what He was less naturally talented then any of the other guys. he didn't have Foreman's power or Leonard, Ali, or Robinson's speed. He had to go through adversity his whole career. But even Duran had a really good chin.

perfect example is Roy clearly beat Bernard with a broken right hand, but Bernard obviously handled adversity better as they got older, but that doesn't mean he beat Roy when they fought.

[Althugz]

Jones can get it done this Saturday. Calzaghe has earned my respect these past few years but if Roy shows even half of the brilliance he did in his prime then he wins....I hope and believe he can.

The only thing about Roy is that he never fights for a knockout anymore. If he can land those sharp, crisp shots at speed like he did against Trinidad then it's goodnight JC. Joe is defensively vulnerable as we saw against Bhop and his dynamo workrate is pretty much his defence.

RJJ will fancy picking holes through the pitty pat punches. If he has him hurt he needs to finish it because Joe won't tire down the stretch.

I'm hoping for and predicting a legendary Roy Jones victory.

[kingfrnk]

Jones can get it done this Saturday. Calzaghe has earned my respect these past few years but if Roy shows even half of the brilliance he did in his prime then he wins....I hope and believe he can.

The only thing about Roy is that he never fights for a knockout anymore. If he can land those sharp, crisp shots at speed like he did against Trinidad then it's goodnight JC. Joe is defensively vulnerable as we saw against Bhop and his dynamo workrate is pretty much his defence.

RJJ will fancy picking holes through the pitty pat punches. If he has him hurt he needs to finish it because Joe won't tire down the stretch.

I'm hoping for and predicting a legendary Roy Jones victory.

yea i fell Roy can land those hard right hands threw Calslappys slaps, but does roy know he can do it?

[Taeth]

IMO on Saturday Roy has more to worry about than Calzaghe, people forget that Joe has respectable power when he actually throws punches properly. Therei s a reason he has 32 ko's, why Lacy and kessler felt his power. I think when Calzaghe throws combinations he tends to get slappy, but it effects his opponents as Kessler can atest to. I think I could see Roy getting ko'ed easier then I see Joe getting ko'ed simply because Roy couldn't stop Trinidad, not because he couldn't I guess, but because he doesn't back up his work anymore, he throws a few punches, but he can't step on the peddle after that, and against Joe that is big trouble because Kessler was able to outbox Calzaghe punch for punch earlier on, but everytime he did that Calzaghe would step up the pace and drown Kessler's effectiveness with his workrate.

[ICB]

I think it's kind of amusing the almost mythical status Jones Jr of a decade ago has.

Personally I think a prime Roy Jones versus a prime Joe Calzaghe is one hell of a matchup.

Jones would have to be favourite but those who think Calzaghe would get blown away in 5 rounds are just wishful thinking.

Calzaghe has never even lost a fight let alone been knocked out, his chin is as solid and proven as Hopkins or Jame Toney.

Whenever they fought it goes the distance imo and the fact is, as Roy Jones even says himself, he has never fought a fighter like Calzaghe either so we really don't know for sure what would happen.

Joe Calzaghe's chin as good as Hopkins, Toney ? i can't imagine either of those fighters being dropped like a sack against a mediocre puncher, like Kabary Salem.

Well Salem did kill a man in the ring so I'm guessing he's capable of doing some damage.

I don't recall Reggie Johnson being a knockout machine either.

But you're splitting hairs as usual Ice. The fact is Calzaghe has never been stopped in 45 fights and when he's been down he's always come back to win.

The only time he ever got hurt he got the guy out of there in the same round. His chin is proven, his talent is proven, his resume is proven.

It's funny that when he beats Jones you'll all say it's because Jones was washed up even though he's only 3 years older than Calzaghe and 4 years younger than Hopkins.

Tarver is older than Jones but I guess he only beat Jones becuase he's the fresher man right?

If Jones hasn't been able to adapt his style in the light of advancing age in the way that other great fighters have then it's marks off him I'm afraid.

He hasn't been in any ring wars that have taken their toll, he didn't get for the first 40 or so fights of his career. When he did we finally saw that he wasn't as invincible as we thought.

Don't get me wrong I love Roy Jones, the man's a legend but to assume he is so much better than Joe that he could whup in 5 rounds is just unrealistic. I know it wasn't you who said that......

Calzaghe would be a tough fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

Bilbo you have no idea what your talking about first off just because Kabary Salem, killed a man in the ring what has that got to do with his punching power ?

Emile Griffith had 23 KO's out of 85 wins and has the record for the most championship rounds i believe, which means he was no puncher and was never considered to be one, but he killed Benny Kid Paret in the ring.

Again i ask you what has that got to do with having punching power ? Kabary Salem has a 41 percent KO ratio and he has only had 29 fights, he has never ever considered to be a puncher and you are being Joe Calzaghe nuthugger now Bilbo no offense.

Secondly i love the way you sarcastically say Joe Calzaghe will beat RJJ, like you can see into the future. Joe Calzaghe is for certain the favorite but RJJ is still the fastest fighter Joe Calzaghe has ever fought in his career, RJJ is the bigger man so lets not count are chickens just yet.

Reggie Johnson was a decent puncher and no big puncher i agree, but he is very skilled fighter much more skilled than Kabary Salem, plus he is a Southpaw and he caught James Toney with an unorthodox shot which James Toney never see coming.

Now im not making excuses for James Toney, but you can hardly compare James Toney getting knocked down by a skilled fighter like Reggie Johnson. To a mediocre fighter like Kabary Salem.

Lastly i think your being very biased here Bilbo, just because fighters are almost the same age means nothing. Riddick Bowe was a shot fighter in his late 20's. Joe Calzaghe hasn't had to move up and down in weights like RJJ, which takes alot of toll on your body.

I can't believe your even trying to argue that there isn't that much difference. Between them prime wise because of there age, i seriously think you need to watch a prime RJJ then watch the current RJJ and see the major difference.

[Kev]

Joe Calzaghe's chin as good as Hopkins, Toney ? i can't imagine either of those fighters being dropped like a sack against a mediocre puncher, like Kabary Salem.

Well Salem did kill a man in the ring so I'm guessing he's capable of doing some damage.

I don't recall Reggie Johnson being a knockout machine either.

But you're splitting hairs as usual Ice. The fact is Calzaghe has never been stopped in 45 fights and when he's been down he's always come back to win.

The only time he ever got hurt he got the guy out of there in the same round. His chin is proven, his talent is proven, his resume is proven.

It's funny that when he beats Jones you'll all say it's because Jones was washed up even though he's only 3 years older than Calzaghe and 4 years younger than Hopkins.

Tarver is older than Jones but I guess he only beat Jones becuase he's the fresher man right?

If Jones hasn't been able to adapt his style in the light of advancing age in the way that other great fighters have then it's marks off him I'm afraid.

He hasn't been in any ring wars that have taken their toll, he didn't get for the first 40 or so fights of his career. When he did we finally saw that he wasn't as invincible as we thought.

Don't get me wrong I love Roy Jones, the man's a legend but to assume he is so much better than Joe that he could whup in 5 rounds is just unrealistic. I know it wasn't you who said that......

Calzaghe would be a tough fight for Jones at any stage of his career.

Bilbo you have no idea what your talking about first off just because Kabary Salem, killed a man in the ring what has that got to do with his punching power ?

Emile Griffith had 23 KO's out of 85 wins and has the record for the most championship rounds i believe, which means he was no puncher and was never considered to be one, but he killed Benny Kid Paret in the ring.

Again i ask you what has that got to do with having punching power ? Kabary Salem has a 41 percent KO ratio and he has only had 29 fights, he has never ever considered to be a puncher and you are being Joe Calzaghe nuthugger now Bilbo no offense.

Secondly i love the way you sarcastically say Joe Calzaghe will beat RJJ, like you can see into the future. Joe Calzaghe is for certain the favorite but RJJ is still the fastest fighter Joe Calzaghe has ever fought in his career, RJJ is the bigger man so lets not count are chickens just yet.

Reggie Johnson was a decent puncher and no big puncher i agree, but he is very skilled fighter much more skilled than Kabary Salem, plus he is a Southpaw and he caught James Toney with an unorthodox shot which James Toney never see coming.

Now im not making excuses for James Toney, but you can hardly compare James Toney getting knocked down by a skilled fighter like Reggie Johnson. To a mediocre fighter like Kabary Salem.

Lastly i think your being very biased here Bilbo, just because fighters are almost the same age means nothing. Riddick Bowe was a shot fighter in his late 20's. Joe Calzaghe hasn't had to move up and down in weights like RJJ, which takes alot of toll on your body.

I can't believe your even trying to argue that there isn't that much difference. Between them prime wise because of there age, i seriously think you need to watch a prime RJJ then watch the current RJJ and see the major difference.

I havn't been arguin that a prime Calzaghe beata a prime Roy Ice read my posts again. I said those who think Roy could blast him out in 5 rounds were just dreaming.

Joe is a tough fight for anybody and that includes even a prime Roy Jones.

BIG difference from saying Calzaghe is better than a prime Roy

[TeleTuff]

I gotta chime in here,it`s always interesting to me to see 2 guy`s argue,not discuss,but ARGUE,over what one fighter might have done against another fighter in his prime?It`s mythical,like p4p ratings to A degree.None of us have A reverse crystal ball to really know what might have happened had these 2 fought in their primes?Most would speculate that Roy would have dominated Joe in his prime.but hell while were dreaming some would say that Joe might have slapped Roy into bolivion.Joe is too tough and has too much endurance to have been easy for ant SuperMiddle of any era IMO.I`am not saying he would have beat Roy in A mythical p4p prime match-up,but it would not have been easy

[Spicoli]

It really is all subjective,unable to prove or conclude anything,would have,could have,should have etc. Seem to be setting ourselves up with a battle of Circumstances and pre conditions going in.

Shite.I'm still stuck on The last Top Fighter Roy never met in the ring from across the pond...Nigel Benn.Some draw the same conclusion that Roy would have walked through him as well.At least that one had a realistic chance of happening .....in their respected primes .

[TeleTuff]

True Blue,but for the record I heard Benn turned down A carear high Pay day to fight Roy.