Giving Joe Calzaghe Credit For Beating This Version Of RJJ.....

[ICB]

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Eh didn't you pick Jones to win?

Read through the thread.

[jack2121]

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Eh didn't you pick Jones to win?

Read through the thread.

Lads calm down. First of wether your a jc or rjj fan i think most people knew joe would win on points even if you were rooting for jones deep down you knew rjj wouldnt pull it off. In saying that i am a huge calzaghe fan and through no fault of his own joe has beaten who ever they put in front of him, but its IMPOSIBLE to give him full credit for beating a washed up roy jones, hes not even half the man he was. like ive said so many times the fight would have meant so much more 8 years ago and once again not joes fault we have frank warren to thank for us having these arguments and no closure on the jones v calzaghe subject. thanks frank!

[Napolis]

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

[jack2121]

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

i am a joe fan but of corse rjj was a shell b4 the fight cmon be real!

[ICB]

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

i am a joe fan but of corse rjj was a shell b4 the fight cmon be real!

What is this guy Napolis talking about ? i said RJJ was a shot fighter before the fight, i gave people the thread which was a good few weeks before the fight.

This guy can't be serious in what comeback fight did RJJ look impressive ? the struggle against the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw ? or losing 4 rounds to a blown up Welterweight who hadn't fought since 2005 ?

Go watch a prime RJJ then watch the RJJ of the last few years, theres a massive difference.

[leftylee]

Why should you get credit for beating a shot fighter? Not to mention he was a massive favourite to win beforehand.

[Napolis]

Good Lord, was RJJ good in his prime? Well I never. I take it all back.

[leftylee]

Good Lord, was RJJ good in his prime? Well I never. I take it all back.

And you are ?

[ICB]

Good Lord, was RJJ good in his prime? Well I never. I take it all back.

What ?

[jack2121]

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

i am a joe fan but of corse rjj was a shell b4 the fight cmon be real!

What is this guy Napolis talking about ? i said RJJ was a shot fighter before the fight, i gave people the thread which was a good few weeks before the fight.

This guy can't be serious in what comeback fight did RJJ look impressive ? the struggle against the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw ? or losing 4 rounds to a blown up Welterweight who hadn't fought since 2005 ?

Go watch a prime RJJ then watch the RJJ of the last few years, theres a massive difference.

exactly

[ICB]

Nvm.

[Althugz]

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

I like this guy. Good post, you put your points across well.

I'm not a Calzaghe fan but I agree with you about JC being put on his arse and always coming back for more. That is pretty impressive considering he looked pretty damn hurt in that 1st round.

Yes, Calzaghe also does destroy a fighters spirit..agreed there as well.
I give you credit (and reps) for making me see the few positives in Calzaghe again. Oh yeah and welcome...introduce yourself next time mate so people aren't immediately on the defensive.

Your post was good though (even if your name does give away that you're Italian so perhaps a bit of biase but it's all good )

[Napolis]

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

I like this guy. Good post, you put your points across well.

I'm not a Calzaghe fan but I agree with you about JC being put on his arse and always coming back for more. That is pretty impressive considering he looked pretty damn hurt in that 1st round.

Yes, Calzaghe also does destroy a fighters spirit..agreed there as well.
I give you credit (and reps) for making me see the few positives in Calzaghe again. Oh yeah and welcome...introduce yourself next time mate so people aren't immediately on the defensive.

Your post was good though (even if your name does give away that you're Italian so perhaps a bit of biase but it's all good )

Thanks, and I am sorry if I have shown poor etiquette. I've been reading here a long time on and off, but not posted. I get the hang of it soon enough.
I'm not Italian. The username was a bit of an old joke from my distant past... a mis-spelling of Napoles. ANd I stand by my point that whether RJJ was washed up or not, no-one else would have toyed with him so brazenly.

[Gandalf]

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

I like this guy. Good post, you put your points across well.

I'm not a Calzaghe fan but I agree with you about JC being put on his arse and always coming back for more. That is pretty impressive considering he looked pretty damn hurt in that 1st round.

Yes, Calzaghe also does destroy a fighters spirit..agreed there as well.
I give you credit (and reps) for making me see the few positives in Calzaghe again. Oh yeah and welcome...introduce yourself next time mate so people aren't immediately on the defensive.

Your post was good though (even if your name does give away that you're Italian so perhaps a bit of biase but it's all good )

Thanks, and I am sorry if I have shown poor etiquette. I've been reading here a long time on and off, but not posted. I get the hang of it soon enough.
I'm not Italian. The username was a bit of an old joke from my distant past... a mis-spelling of Napoles. ANd I stand by my point that whether RJJ was washed up or not, no-one else would have toyed with him so brazenly.

Welcome!

I thought your previous posting was pretty good too. At the time of the fight I was shouting at Calzaghe to be more careful. But having watched it all again I think it was hilarious and shows the pluck Calzaghe has. Cracking stuff. And a pretty enjoyable fight all in all. Much better than that Hopkins garbage.

[hfahrenheit]

All this wailing and gnashing of teeth of over which version of RJJ he fought...

which version of JC was this? Is JC being penalized for longevity?