< David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.

[WelshDevilRob]

Haye was sloppy as shit...He swung for the fences too many times...He kept that left arm of his way too low...He did not look to be overly fast most of the time.....

One time he tried to slug with eithr Klitschko he would end up on his back....Especially Vitaly who likes to toy with opponents...This guy is no threat to either sorry...amd I can see the "It was only his first real HW bout" bullshit coming already

Daxx I assume you've seen Lennox Lewis vs Shannon Briggs - didn't Lewis look sloppy at times in that fight when Briggs was swinging wildly early on?
Yes he did but did he look the same way in his next fight? No.

Point is you can't base everything on 1 fight - Haye was overeager once he had his man hurt while Barrett was fighting desperate.

I'm convinced haye will box against Klitschko or someone more threatning as he has done in the past.

[killersheep]

Haye was sloppy as shit...He swung for the fences too many times...He kept that left arm of his way too low...He did not look to be overly fast most of the time.....

One time he tried to slug with eithr Klitschko he would end up on his back....Especially Vitaly who likes to toy with opponents...This guy is no threat to either sorry...amd I can see the "It was only his first real HW bout" bullshit coming already

Daxx I assume you've seen Lennox Lewis vs Shannon Briggs - didn't Lewis look sloppy at times in that fight when Briggs was swinging wildly early on?
Yes he did but did he look the same way in his next fight? No.

Point is you can't base everything on 1 fight - Haye was overeager once he had his man hurt while Barrett was fighting desperate.

I'm convinced haye will box against Klitschko or someone more threatning as he has done in the past.

I admittedly not seen much of pre-Maccarinelli Haye, maybe you can point out a fight where Haye boxes. I'd like to see it.

[WelshDevilRob]

Haye was sloppy as shit...He swung for the fences too many times...He kept that left arm of his way too low...He did not look to be overly fast most of the time.....

One time he tried to slug with eithr Klitschko he would end up on his back....Especially Vitaly who likes to toy with opponents...This guy is no threat to either sorry...amd I can see the "It was only his first real HW bout" bullshit coming already

Daxx I assume you've seen Lennox Lewis vs Shannon Briggs - didn't Lewis look sloppy at times in that fight when Briggs was swinging wildly early on?
Yes he did but did he look the same way in his next fight? No.

Point is you can't base everything on 1 fight - Haye was overeager once he had his man hurt while Barrett was fighting desperate.

I'm convinced haye will box against Klitschko or someone more threatning as he has done in the past.

I admittedly not seen much of pre-Maccarinelli Haye, maybe you can point out a fight where Haye boxes. I'd like to see it.

The Fragomeni fight he boxed for long periods and picked his punches due to the Italians gloves being in such a high guard. Fragomeni fought coming forward behind a very tight guard - meaning Haye had to move and pick his shots.

He also took his time against Mormeck but that was mainly due to weight issues.

[Deanrw]

IMO Haye looked kinda bad last night. He won yes, but look very non-poised doing so.

He will not reach the top fighting like that. It was his first fight at heavy so I am willing to look past it for now.

[Spicoli]

IMO Haye looked kinda bad last night. He won yes, but look very non-poised doing so.

He will not reach the top fighting like that. It was his first fight at heavy so I am willing to look past it for now.

He looked erratic.The thing is he needs to refine and tighten up his deficiency's NOW before he gets in with the higher tier.Its an entirely different ball game now.Barret,even at this stage was a good showcase intro but Haye has alot of work to do.Power will take you places but his lack of defense is glaring,backing straight,hands down....and that leaping in with that right.Barret was touching him in spots.

[JT Rock]

You guys are way to tough on Haye.. I mean cmon already, I agree that Haye will never have a shot at beating Vitali until he is so past it he cant walk..

But Daxx Wlad dosent brawl at all, The worst thing Haye could do is try to box with him, the way to beat Wlad is to hit him at different angles and press him and make him uncomfortable, so Haye fighting a bit erratic against Wlad isint a bad thing since Wlad likes to clinch and pull straight back, thats why Haye is gonna knock him out silly..

Vitali has a super human chin and likes it controlled or messy he isint afraid to engage and isint going to pullback he will stand his ground and keep punching, he wont runaway like a scared rabbit which is Wlads move..

[El Kabong]

JT whenever a fighter hypes himself up as much as Haye he's going to be looked at more closely. Haye has been hyped by himself and his fans and from what I saw he wanted to have a show last night and for the most part he did but he also showed off some flaws.


My question is this: Do you want boxing fans to tell you what they see or do you want them to help you hype up your favorite fighter?


Haye KO'd Monte Barrett, it's what was expected of him....it doesn't mean in doing so that there are no flaws in Haye's game or that he fought a picture perfect match....he didn't and he'd be lying to everyone if he said otherwise.


There is a difference in being truthful and being a hater or a nut hugger....I am happy Haye won but I forsee trouble for him in the future and not with Wlad or Vitali but with maybe a guy like James Toney or someone else...we'll just have to see who he fights next and what route to a title he wants to take.

[DaxxKahn]

You guys are way to tough on Haye.. I mean cmon already, I agree that Haye will never have a shot at beating Vitali until he is so past it he cant walk..

But Daxx Wlad dosent brawl at all, The worst thing Haye could do is try to box with him, the way to beat Wlad is to hit him at different angles and press him and make him uncomfortable, so Haye fighting a bit erratic against Wlad isint a bad thing since Wlad likes to clinch and pull straight back, thats why Haye is gonna knock him out silly..

Vitali has a super human chin and likes it controlled or messy he isint afraid to engage and isint going to pullback he will stand his ground and keep punching, he wont runaway like a scared rabbit which is Wlads move..

Vitaly and Wlad are two different machines agreed on that but Wlad has a better chin then most give credit for...BUT with that being said...China chin or no china chin...

Haye gives Wlad an opening to connect with some rights flush he will go down....

What has Haye done to prove his chin is anybetter then..Brewster, Brock, McCline, Botha...he is also the first man to crack the jaw of then Iron chinnes Ray Mercer...

If those men fell why would Haye be any different?....Wlad hits a hell of a lot harder then Carl Thompson I promise that...And the it was early in his career excuse that guys use does not fly....Experience does not make your chin more durable....

Who is to say Wlad even allows Haye in enough to get off....With his left so low all it would take is one mistake...

Just my opinion JT...

But as for him beating Vitaly.....Like you said...Vitaly would have to be so crippled he could not even walk

[WelshDevilRob]

As for Vitali Klitschko, I think people are assuming he is back to his best based on 1 fight.

Yes he controlled the fight and did a good job but Peter just didn't turn up or seemed void of any hunger, desire or motivation.

Peter would have lost to alot of Heavyweights that night simply cause he looked like he hadn't trained and was one of the slowest Heavyweights I have ever seen in the history of the sport - he made Matt Skelton seem light footed.

We will have definate answers about how good Vitali is when he faces a stern test in Gomez - another former Cruiserweight king.
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For me Haye boxed well the 1st 2 rounds and avoided jabs from Barrett and dodged some hefty looking blows. Haye did get caught a couple of times but took them well - it is a boxing match so people are going to get hit.
From the 3rd it got a bit reckless and intruth very entertaining. Barrett was a desperate man and Haye was trying to find the finishing punch.

It was only the last knockdown that Haye landed on the button - all the other knockdowns seemeed to be grazing blows - which is testiment to Hayes power.

Haye has now Ko'd 2 Heavyweights and I expect the next fight to be a greater test - the winner of arreola vs Walker would be good or even Eddie Chambers for the rounds.


Entertainment in a Heavyweight fight - at long last.