Floyd Mayweather back in full training...

[RP33]

I don't want Mayweather-Hatton its been done, and Hatton is still one of the more dangerous guys for Mayweather IMO, I think his speed, accuracy and quick pressure cause Mayweather more problems then guys people really want him to fight like Cotto and Margarito, though I had Mayweather winning almost every round, Hatton with a different ref would have really made it difficult for Floyd.

i very much disagree.. floyd absolutely schooled hatton.. i don't care who the ref would be, the same result will occur.. Cotto or Margarito present a MUCH bigger challenge to floyd..

if this is true, his training and what not, i'm quite excited..

[leftylee]

If Hatton beats and looks good against Paulie.

Then Hatton v Mayweather at 140 would appeal certainly.

We know from previous experience Hatton was out of his league at 147.

[CFH]

If Hatton beats and looks good against Paulie.

Then Hatton v Mayweather at 140 would appeal certainly.

We know from previous experience Hatton was out of his league at 147.

I've never understood this argument. It may have been relevant when Hatton fought Collazo, but it doesn't make sense when applied to the Mayweather fight. PBF started at a much lower class than Hatton, and he has never been a true welter in terms of his weight. Even when he fought at 154, he came into the ring weighing 150, less than Hatton weighs (on fight night) for many of his fights which take place at 140.

Hatton lost to Floyd, and always will lose to Floyd, because Mayweather is superior in every single aspect of the game, including (as was demonstrated) fighting dirty.

The ref is also inconsequencial, Hatton was being dominated on the inside and was beat conclusively at his own game. They could fight at any weight and PBF would win.

[leftylee]

If Hatton beats and looks good against Paulie.

Then Hatton v Mayweather at 140 would appeal certainly.

We know from previous experience Hatton was out of his league at 147.

I've never understood this argument. It may have been relevant when Hatton fought Collazo, but it doesn't make sense when applied to the Mayweather fight. PBF started at a much lower class than Hatton, and he has never been a true welter in terms of his weight. Even when he fought at 154, he came into the ring weighing 150, less than Hatton weighs (on fight night) for many of his fights which take place at 140.

Hatton lost to Floyd, and always will lose to Floyd, because Mayweather is superior in every single aspect of the game, including (as was demonstrated) fighting dirty.

The ref is also inconsequencial, Hatton was being dominated on the inside and was beat conclusively at his own game. They could fight at any weight and PBF would win.

Mayweather had fought and proven multiple times he could mix it and look good at welterweight and was a threat at 147.

Hatton had 1 fight at 147 and TBH looked complete shit in it and nearly got KNFO.

A fight at 140 would be a whole different story.

[CFH]

If Hatton beats and looks good against Paulie.

Then Hatton v Mayweather at 140 would appeal certainly.

We know from previous experience Hatton was out of his league at 147.

I've never understood this argument. It may have been relevant when Hatton fought Collazo, but it doesn't make sense when applied to the Mayweather fight. PBF started at a much lower class than Hatton, and he has never been a true welter in terms of his weight. Even when he fought at 154, he came into the ring weighing 150, less than Hatton weighs (on fight night) for many of his fights which take place at 140.

Hatton lost to Floyd, and always will lose to Floyd, because Mayweather is superior in every single aspect of the game, including (as was demonstrated) fighting dirty.

The ref is also inconsequencial, Hatton was being dominated on the inside and was beat conclusively at his own game. They could fight at any weight and PBF would win.

Mayweather had fought and proven multiple times he could mix it and look good at welterweight and was a threat at 147.

Hatton had 1 fight at 147 and TBH looked complete shit in it and nearly got KNFO.

A fight at 140 would be a whole different story.

I'm not arguing that PBF is not a better welter, I just don't understand how it could be any different at 140. PBF won't have any trouble making weight, and Hatton won't be any quicker or hit any harder (if that was the case, why not come in at 140 before?).

I just don't see any way Hatton beats PBF. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be cheering for him, I just don't see how it can happen.

[GRBOXINGFAN]

I talked to an older Cousin of Floyd Sr.'s at the bar the other day. He was sporting some serious bling he claimed Little Floyd had bought him. I asked him about Floyd's return and he said no way, that Floyd is happy and that retiring undefeated means a lot to him.

For what its worth I think Floyd is going to be broke sooner or later and have to fight. He spends money like water and throws it around all the time. The guy has gifted Millions to his distant family and so called friends. He keeps throwing these lame ass events around town that we all know aren't making money.

The winner of the Pacman-De la Hoya fight makes the most sense and the most money. Can't wait to see him fight again.

[SaltyBacon]

not suprise he only 31 plus 1p4p returning $$$

[RP33]

I've never understood this argument. It may have been relevant when Hatton fought Collazo, but it doesn't make sense when applied to the Mayweather fight. PBF started at a much lower class than Hatton, and he has never been a true welter in terms of his weight. Even when he fought at 154, he came into the ring weighing 150, less than Hatton weighs (on fight night) for many of his fights which take place at 140.

Hatton lost to Floyd, and always will lose to Floyd, because Mayweather is superior in every single aspect of the game, including (as was demonstrated) fighting dirty.

The ref is also inconsequencial, Hatton was being dominated on the inside and was beat conclusively at his own game. They could fight at any weight and PBF would win.

Mayweather had fought and proven multiple times he could mix it and look good at welterweight and was a threat at 147.

Hatton had 1 fight at 147 and TBH looked complete shit in it and nearly got KNFO.

A fight at 140 would be a whole different story.

I'm not arguing that PBF is not a better welter, I just don't understand how it could be any different at 140. PBF won't have any trouble making weight, and Hatton won't be any quicker or hit any harder (if that was the case, why not come in at 140 before?).

I just don't see any way Hatton beats PBF. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be cheering for him, I just don't see how it can happen.

EXACTLY.. would rep if i could..

to say that this fight would be different at a lighter weight is meaningless.. Floyd DID fight at the lower weights and reigned supreme.. This argument would make sense if you were talking about a bigger fighter wanting floyd to gain weight and fight at a higher weight class, not arguing to have him move down to a weight that he fought at AND below and was even better than he is at welter..

as far as Taeth's response, saying that hatton will have a better chance than cotto/margarito i will not ever believe.. Margarito clearly isn't the most "skilled" boxer but he is much MUCH bigger than hatton and hits harder, and doesn't stop coming.. he's basically a bigger version of Hatton, so i don't see how hatton would be a tougher fight.. and Cotto, in the same respect is a much more skilled fighter than hatton, and has beaten top notch fighters.. his speed and footwork would give floyd a fight..

you said hattons style gave floyd problems early, which is sort of true, but it only took him 3-4 rounds to figure him out? after that floyd toyed with him.. anyone who has an awkward, unconventional style will give a fighter issues.. calzaghe got knocked down by rjj and hopkins in the first round of their fights, but would you say that he would have a hard time beating them if they were in a rematch? i'm not too sure about that..

Hatton will lose to floyd from 130 to heavyweight, any day of the week..

[Taeth]

Mayweather had fought and proven multiple times he could mix it and look good at welterweight and was a threat at 147.

Hatton had 1 fight at 147 and TBH looked complete shit in it and nearly got KNFO.

A fight at 140 would be a whole different story.

I'm not arguing that PBF is not a better welter, I just don't understand how it could be any different at 140. PBF won't have any trouble making weight, and Hatton won't be any quicker or hit any harder (if that was the case, why not come in at 140 before?).

I just don't see any way Hatton beats PBF. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be cheering for him, I just don't see how it can happen.

EXACTLY.. would rep if i could..

to say that this fight would be different at a lighter weight is meaningless.. Floyd DID fight at the lower weights and reigned supreme.. This argument would make sense if you were talking about a bigger fighter wanting floyd to gain weight and fight at a higher weight class, not arguing to have him move down to a weight that he fought at AND below and was even better than he is at welter..

as far as Taeth's response, saying that hatton will have a better chance than cotto/margarito i will not ever believe.. Margarito clearly isn't the most "skilled" boxer but he is much MUCH bigger than hatton and hits harder, and doesn't stop coming.. he's basically a bigger version of Hatton, so i don't see how hatton would be a tougher fight.. and Cotto, in the same respect is a much more skilled fighter than hatton, and has beaten top notch fighters.. his speed and footwork would give floyd a fight..

you said hattons style gave floyd problems early, which is sort of true, but it only took him 3-4 rounds to figure him out? after that floyd toyed with him.. anyone who has an awkward, unconventional style will give a fighter issues.. calzaghe got knocked down by rjj and hopkins in the first round of their fights, but would you say that he would have a hard time beating them if they were in a rematch? i'm not too sure about that..

Hatton will lose to floyd from 130 to heavyweight, any day of the week..

Maybe you haven't boxed before, maybe you have, but facing a guy with great footspeed is way more tiring if they are putting pressure on you, Why do you think Calzaghe was so much more of a draining fight on Mayweather? Hatton came forward the whole fight against Floyd, just like Margarito would, He is very strong, and because he is short he has a really low center of gravity. Margarito doesn't use his physical body to beat guys up, as much as he uses his size and chin to withstand punches, while punching himself.

It actually took Mayweather up until the 8th round before he literally toying wtih Hatton, before that he didn't have time to, Hatton got in too quick, but Mayweather was too eluvise for Hatton to land effectively.

As for the Calzaghe-Hopkins comparison to me this is like saying that Pavlik would have a better chance than Hopkins against Calzaghe because he hasn't fought him yet. Its not true. That fight could have gone either way, and Hopkins could have won it. In this situation I don't see what Cotto and Margarito bring to the table that really troubles Mayweather, they don't have great speed, Cotto has decent handspeed, but his footspeed isn't that great, but he isn't as faster as Hatton, he isn't necessarily more durable, and he
also isn't harder to hit for a guy like Mayweather, he is better offensively, but that never seems to be a problem for Mayweather. Margarito, if he could keep Mayweather on the ropes might be able to have some modicum of success only because the judges seem to overvalue punching a lot, but in reality he wouldn't land almost anything. He is effective against most people, but so was Hatton who was much quicker, and he couldn't land very well on mayweather at all. Also I don't see Margarito keeping Mayweather on the ropes if Floyd doesn't want to be there, countless people have tried, and it takes a much quicker man to keep Mayweather on the ropes like Oscar De La HOya or Hatton, otherwise you look foolish like Baldomir did when he would miss 12+ shots in a row everytime he did get Mayweather on teh ropes, Hell if OScar isn't landing on Mayweather when he had Floyd on the rope,s what will Margarito land?

[CGM]

If Hatton beats and looks good against Paulie.

Then Hatton v Mayweather at 140 would appeal certainly.

We know from previous experience Hatton was out of his league at 147.

I've never understood this argument. It may have been relevant when Hatton fought Collazo, but it doesn't make sense when applied to the Mayweather fight. PBF started at a much lower class than Hatton, and he has never been a true welter in terms of his weight. Even when he fought at 154, he came into the ring weighing 150, less than Hatton weighs (on fight night) for many of his fights which take place at 140.

Hatton lost to Floyd, and always will lose to Floyd, because Mayweather is superior in every single aspect of the game, including (as was demonstrated) fighting dirty.

The ref is also inconsequencial, Hatton was being dominated on the inside and was beat conclusively at his own game. They could fight at any weight and PBF would win.

OK, I'll try to explain. This "argument" is kinda like an excuse. It's a way to downplay his struggles. He didn't dominate when he moved up half a division? Well gee, it must be because it's not his division. A fight at 140 would be a different story? Easy to say, cause it's a story that will never be told.

The rest of your comments are spot on, particularly about Hatton being dominated on the inside.

[RP33]

When you look at the big names at welter right now.. williams/clottey/margarito/cotto/mosley

even if floyd beat one of those guys, something will be said.. so for everyone who is saying that he's afraid of these guys, if he won, this is what will be said:

Mosley: he was past his best as Cotto showed us

Margarito: he wasn't nearly as skilled to beat mayweather and floyd outclassed him like he "should have"

Clottey: overrated and lost to Margarito, big deal


That leaves us with Williams and Cotto.. clearly you can say, williams lost to quintana, and cotto lost to margarito so big deal that floyd beat them, but these are the two guys who are just about in their prime and are his best contenders right now.. So if he came back, that's who i'd like him to fight..

[Spicoli]

When you look at the big names at welter right now.. williams/clottey/margarito/cotto/mosley

even if floyd beat one of those guys, something will be said.. so for everyone who is saying that he's afraid of these guys, if he won, this is what will be said:

Mosley: he was past his best as Cotto showed us

Margarito: he wasn't nearly as skilled to beat mayweather and floyd outclassed him like he "should have"

Clottey: overrated and lost to Margarito, big deal


That leaves us with Williams and Cotto.. clearly you can say, williams lost to quintana, and cotto lost to margarito so big deal that floyd beat them, but these are the two guys who are just about in their prime and are his best contenders right now.. So if he came back, that's who i'd like him to fight..

You can relate hindsight excuses to nearly any big fight if you split hairs enough.We see it alot after big fights.Personally,If Mayweather (Their I go with the if's) came back and mopped the deck With Margarito,Williams etc.I'd have nothing but much deserved praise for him.But to get into the ring with some of the ones mentioned would certainly be a step in the right direction for over all career Imo...insted of going backwards and squaring off with a guy in Hatton who he has already KO'd.

[RP33]

When you look at the big names at welter right now.. williams/clottey/margarito/cotto/mosley

even if floyd beat one of those guys, something will be said.. so for everyone who is saying that he's afraid of these guys, if he won, this is what will be said:

Mosley: he was past his best as Cotto showed us

Margarito: he wasn't nearly as skilled to beat mayweather and floyd outclassed him like he "should have"

Clottey: overrated and lost to Margarito, big deal


That leaves us with Williams and Cotto.. clearly you can say, williams lost to quintana, and cotto lost to margarito so big deal that floyd beat them, but these are the two guys who are just about in their prime and are his best contenders right now.. So if he came back, that's who i'd like him to fight..

You can relate hindsight excuses to nearly any big fight if you split hairs enough.We see it alot after big fights.Personally,If Mayweather (Their I go with the if's) came back and mopped the deck With Margarito,Williams etc.I'd have nothing but much deserved praise for him.But to get into the ring with some of the ones mentioned would certainly be a step in the right direction for over all career Imo...insted of going backwards and squaring off with a guy in Hatton who he has already KO'd.

the more important question, is why did you change your avatar from those two chicks in bikinis to some dude?


i liked that one haha

[Taeth]

I don't want Mayweather-Hatton its been done, and Hatton is still one of the more dangerous guys for Mayweather IMO, I think his speed, accuracy and quick pressure cause Mayweather more problems then guys people really want him to fight like Cotto and Margarito, though I had Mayweather winning almost every round, Hatton with a different ref would have really made it difficult for Floyd.

i very much disagree.. floyd absolutely schooled hatton.. i don't care who the ref would be, the same result will occur.. Cotto or Margarito present a MUCH bigger challenge to floyd..

if this is true, his training and what not, i'm quite excited..

Not at all Cotto and Margarito's styles are so overrated for fighting MAyweather, people don't understand the value of footwork more than anything. If Margarito can't keep up with Mayweather he can't land, even when Baldomir tried to throw a 100 punches, he couldn't land anything. I know Margarito is a different fighter than Baldomir in some respects, but he isn't faster, and he isn't more accurate. Baldomir had been able to land cleanly on every opponent before Mayweather once he got into his rythym, but he couldn't find it against Mayweather.

Hatton has great footspeed ,and really good handspeed, it threw Mayweather off early, but Hatton clearly didn't get to fight his own fight, I still think mayweather dominated him, but he had some troubles doing it, I don't see the big trouble that Cotto or Margarito would present. margarito looked horrible early when Paul Williams was moving, I don't think Margarito would be able to get off if MAyweather decided to come inside. Cotto once again isn't super fast, isn't super hard to hit, and he has shown vulnerability. You can Mayweather doesn't hit as hard as Judah, but he sure wears down opponents more than Judah does, and he is a lot more accurate and quicker than this version of Shane Mosley.

As for Mayweather's size, he wasn't even a natural 140 pounder, and Hatton was a big 140 pounder, Mayweather wasn't even a very big lightweight. Its his skill that made him so good at these higher weights. Give credit where its due.