Margarito turns down fight with Mosley

[DaxxKahn]

"Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more....."

Williams only sat on his ass because NO ONE wanted to fight him. Gotta disagree with you on that Daxx.

Cotto would have fought him....If he wanted to move to 154 Forrest woukld have fought him...Baldo would have fought him for a chance at a title....Spinks...I can name a dozen guys who would have fought just for a title shot....Quintana would have fought him if the opp came before a years time....Cintron would have fought him....

all that NO ONE wanted to fightr him crap is just that...crap......

When I say no one wanted to fight Tony I do not mean it in the way of them fearing him...I mean it in the way that no one thought he was worth the time...Not enough money was in it.......

No fighter at the championship level fears another....IMO that is just BS talk most of the time...

Pure BS. Williams called out Cotto after beating Margarito and Arum wanted no part of it. He and Forrest will never fight because they have the same manager. And who the hell wants to fight Spinks? He can't get on TV and his fights are always boring. He had a unification fight set up with Cintron, but Kermit hurt his hand in a tune-up. They offered him another date but he opted for the Margo fight instead. When it is said no one of consequence would fight Williams that is a simple fact.

And Margo's team turned down $4 million for a rematch. He won't get that to rematch Cotto! I agree that Margarito does not personally fear Williams, but his people sure as hell do. That much is clear.

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....as for him and Forrest was not even thinking about handlers just names that certainly do not fear stepping ion the ring with him.....

Who the hell is Paul Williams that everyone needs to answer his calls?.....A close bout with Tony and a win over Quintana after a loss to him are his biggest accomplishments.......A 1 rd KO in the rematch really proves shit TBH....Many of fighters better then Carlos have fallen victim to getting caught cold and ended on their ass.....His last fight was over a bum....Yet everyone is on his bandwagon...How about putting in some more time....Williamns seems to think that everyone is at his beckon call to answer his challenges...Thats not how it works......

The more I hear about guys being afraid to step in the ring with him the more I wonder about the people saying the shit.....No one is afraid to fight Paul Williams....Just because Margarito and his people are not inking the bout because Williams want's them to too bad....

Paul Williams is not a Bernard Hopkins, DLH, Pacquiao....He dcoes not decide who and when he fights while people just sit and are supposed to be Johnny on the spot with his offer taken.....

He is not a big draw....He is still establishing himself...His PPV stock is zero....

Wait his turn like everyone else and he will get the fight....The more shit he talks the more he waits...

EG- David Haye/Wlad Klitschko......Start demanding a fight and you get squat

[albsur2006]

I'm sorry but Margarito's camp is one of the dumbest camps in boxing. This guy is always sitting idle. I remember before he fought Clottey, I think he was inactive for 11 months. He's just off the heels of the most successful PPV this year (450,000 buys, albeit, Cotto was the draw) and he wants to wait around until next year to fight Cotto again? I'm sorry but unless this guy has some plan to fight ODLH or Mayweather next year, he's an idiot.

If you're a guy like Tony, you have to strike when the iron's hot. I don't know what he's waiting around for. 2 Million dollars is a great paycheck for a guy who has five losses on his record. Holding out for more money could leave you nowhere, look at Winky Wright. Winky Wright turned down a 4-5 Million dollar paycheck because JT was gonna make 55% and he was gonna make 45%. Now look at Winky Wright. Just imagine where his career could have gone.

You have to build on your buzz and build on your salary. And that means you have to stay active and stay in the public eye. This guy is complaining about never getting a big paycheck but big paychecks don't come from beating one guy. He's just laying around and waiting for a big fight to fall in his lap. He thinks that someone is gonna come offer him $5 Million dollars when his previous career high is only a million. He truly doesn't understand promoters. Just imagine if he took on Mosley or Clottey and won, and then took on Cotto in the summer and won again, and then closed the year out with a Paul Williams rematch. Those fights could total up to 10+ Million dollars (2 Mil for Mosley/Clottey, 4-5 Mil for Cotto, 4-5 Mil for PW)
That's a big year, money wise and professionally. And if he won all the fights, he would have essentially cleared out the welterweight division. And the money he could demand would have tripled because promoters would have to start paying him based on his last paycheck.

I just don't know what type of money he's expecting right now. The only true big name he's ever fought against is Cotto. Does he think he's gonna make $4 Million dollars anywhere else (actually he turned down 4 Mil for a PW rematch)? He's gotta get realistic. What Tony doesn't understand is that NOBODY wants him in the position he's in right now. Top Rank wanted Cotto to win that fight, ODLH wanted Cotto to win to he could fight him, Mayweather probably would have fought Cotto, HBO definitely doesn't wanna see Tony on top because he's not that promotable to the American public quite honestly. If he loses, he's getting thrown back on the shelf and he'll go back to whining again. So he should at least stay as active as possible. Everyone around him is.

[ClubberLang]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

[DaxxKahn]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

[ClubberLang]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

It wasn't hearsay, smart guy. Dan Rafael reported it on ESPN.com. He doesn't report on something unless it's solid. It was a solid offer that they turned down. Nice try, though. Keep making excuses for the fact that Margarito's people want no part of Williams.

[ClubberLang]

Excerpt from Rafael's blog posted today:

• So let me see if I have this straight: Antonio Margarito passed on $4 million to fight Paul Williams in a rematch and now has passed on $2 million to fight Mosley. Sounds like we have another scholarship winner to the Winky Wright School of Boxing Business.

ESPN - Dan Rafael Blog

[DaxxKahn]

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

It wasn't hearsay, smart guy. Dan Rafael reported it on ESPN.com. He doesn't report on something unless it's solid. It was a solid offer that they turned down. Nice try, though. Keep making excuses for the fact that Margarito's people want no part of Williams.

Yeah you keep telling yourself that....Dan reports what he hears just like everyone else...If he hears there was an offer for $4 million he reports there was an offer for $4 Million.....Since I can obvioulsly tell you have NO IDEA ON HOW THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THIS SPORT WORKS....Going through this with you is a watse of time.....But you go on believing what you want.....

and as for what I said on how the purses work and what you think you know had nothing to do with Margarito/Williams...It was just a lesson for you to help understand how that works but I see you got off the little blue bus today feeling like you learned something more then everyone else.........

You also seemed to ignore the part where I said..."Stop basing your arguement on hear say and media".....Funny thing is the next day you do that same thing because you read Dan's Blog

And here is another lesson for you

So let me see if I have this straight: Antonio Margarito passed on $4 million to fight Paul Williams in a rematch and now has passed on $2 million to fight Mosley. Sounds like we have another scholarship winner to the Winky Wright School of Boxing Business.

By him saying "Let me see if I have this straight"....Dan is implying just what I stated in my presvious post....IT WAS SOMETHING HE HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE AND IF IT IS TRUE THEN IN HIS OPION IT IS A FOOLISH MOVE!!!!.............Nothing in there about Dan stating that he knows for a fact or that he heard straight from the camp of Margarito they turned down the offer.....

Another funny thing is Dan talks about what I stated in my post from yesterday about PPV buys and such...Even mentioning bigger draws and bigger names such as Pavlik, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins and how lousy their PPV buys were...Talking aboput how Hatton ticket sales are even struggling....Hatton usually sells out or close to it in almost all his bouts...UK or USA....

His whgole comment on Margariot and his

scholarship winner to the Winky Wright School of Boxing Business.

comment is tied in with the formentioned on his column due to the fact on "If it was true" ...seeing how sales are struggling it is foolish....

He also mentions...Money spent by promoters and how Jones company alone spent $500,000 in purses just to put on a shitty undercard....Why was it so shitty? So he could make the profit from the rest...

Di'Bella had about 7 fighters for $100,000....7 undercard guys for a hundred grand...unheard of....shows exactly what promoters are putting out for purses right now.....

Get a clue and stop making an ass of yourself...stop basing everything you think you know off columns...and when you read them make sure you understand them fully....

How many behind the news media people EG fighters, mgrs, promoters, trainers do you know?....How many fight cards have you dealt with?....How many fighters that are on a championship level do you associate with?..........How many have ytou been friends with over the years?

I guarentee for every 1 you might know I have known at least 5...I have actually sat in on purse negotiations...and your going to tell me how it works?.....Because you read a Dan Raf article?...Are you kidding me?....

I did not take the tyime to post all that yesterday to defenbd Margarito not fighting Willaims just to let ypu know how it really works...

And if Margaritos people really did turn that much down I promise it is because they know they can hold out for more........

When the challenger is offering the purse amount they want the fight desperatly....and they will cough up more....

Read up and learn something before you come at me with that shit....,

Next you'll be telling me about Wlad Klitschkbeing the Father of an Alien child because you read it in the weekly world news

[ClubberLang]

FACT: Margarito was offered $4 million to fight Paul Williams.
FACT: His team turned it down.
FACT: He hasn't been offered more the $2 million for any other fight.
FACT: Margarito's team does not want him to fight Paul Williams.

The rest of your pompous BS is just that...BS. Dan Rafael does not report on negotiations unless he talks to both sides. He has stated that numerous times. That was a solid offer, whether you want to admit it or not. But I guess you know more about than a guy who writes for ESPN.

[DaxxKahn]

FACT: Margarito was offered $4 million to fight Paul Williams.
FACT: His team turned it down.
FACT: He hasn't been offered more the $2 million for any other fight.
FACT: Margarito's team does not want him to fight Paul Williams.

The rest of your pompous BS is just that...BS. Dan Rafael does not report on negotiations unless he talks to both sides. He has stated that numerous times. That was a solid offer, whether you want to admit it or not. But I guess you know more about than a guy who writes for ESPN.

Anyhow you go right ahead and think waht you want there Clubber..

It is just BS..of course it is,,,your right...you know it all....your vast knowledge of reading Dans articles proves it all....and again I steted that even if Margaritos team did turn it down there is a reason...But of course you know exactly how things go...I forgot...my bad

We'll I'll shut up now and leave the sport of boxing to you and all your expertise....

Now off to negotiations you go...

[Diane]

Okay, this was on the front page of Fightnews.com, so no direct link.

Margarito on Mosley rejection!
By Gabriel F. Cordero
"Mosley is not all to continue with my career," says WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Earlier this week "The Tijuana Tornado" rejected a two million dollar offer to defend against the three-division former world champion Sugar Shane Mosley. "De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain." The possibility exists that Margarito would carry out a defense in Mexico or the USA before a likely rematch with Miguel Cotto with a probable date of June 2009. Mosley's promoter Golden Boy Promotions issued a scathing press release to Spanish-language media calling Margarito "scared" among others things for refusing to meet Mosley on January 24th. Mosley is now expected to face WBC champ Andre Berto.
Friday, November 21 2008

"De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain."

Now I like Tony, but this seriously makes me lose some respect for him.

First, why would he want to act in a manner that he thrashed Oscar for? And then say it's acceptable for him to be like that.

Second, what does Shane have to do with Oscar's decisions?

So now he's either not going to fight before fighting Cotto again, which would be a mistake in my opinion, or fighting a lesser name for less money. For someone who keeps talking that he wants big pay days, it makes no sense at all to me.

I still like Tony, but I'm very disappointed in him right now.

[JT Rock]

Okay, this was on the front page of Fightnews.com, so no direct link.

Margarito on Mosley rejection!
By Gabriel F. Cordero
"Mosley is not all to continue with my career," says WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Earlier this week "The Tijuana Tornado" rejected a two million dollar offer to defend against the three-division former world champion Sugar Shane Mosley. "De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain." The possibility exists that Margarito would carry out a defense in Mexico or the USA before a likely rematch with Miguel Cotto with a probable date of June 2009. Mosley's promoter Golden Boy Promotions issued a scathing press release to Spanish-language media calling Margarito "scared" among others things for refusing to meet Mosley on January 24th. Mosley is now expected to face WBC champ Andre Berto.
Friday, November 21 2008

"De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain."

Now I like Tony, but this seriously makes me lose some respect for him.

First, why would he want to act in a manner that he thrashed Oscar for? And then say it's acceptable for him to be like that.

Second, what does Shane have to do with Oscar's decisions?

So now he's either not going to fight before fighting Cotto again, which would be a mistake in my opinion, or fighting a lesser name for less money. For someone who keeps talking that he wants big pay days, it makes no sense at all to me.

I still like Tony, but I'm very disappointed in him right now.

That makes 2 of us

[ICB]

Okay, this was on the front page of Fightnews.com, so no direct link.

Margarito on Mosley rejection!
By Gabriel F. Cordero
"Mosley is not all to continue with my career," says WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Earlier this week "The Tijuana Tornado" rejected a two million dollar offer to defend against the three-division former world champion Sugar Shane Mosley. "De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain." The possibility exists that Margarito would carry out a defense in Mexico or the USA before a likely rematch with Miguel Cotto with a probable date of June 2009. Mosley's promoter Golden Boy Promotions issued a scathing press release to Spanish-language media calling Margarito "scared" among others things for refusing to meet Mosley on January 24th. Mosley is now expected to face WBC champ Andre Berto.
Friday, November 21 2008

"De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain."

Now I like Tony, but this seriously makes me lose some respect for him.

First, why would he want to act in a manner that he thrashed Oscar for? And then say it's acceptable for him to be like that.

Second, what does Shane have to do with Oscar's decisions?

So now he's either not going to fight before fighting Cotto again, which would be a mistake in my opinion, or fighting a lesser name for less money. For someone who keeps talking that he wants big pay days, it makes no sense at all to me.

I still like Tony, but I'm very disappointed in him right now.

That makes 2 of us

I don't see how anyone else couldn't think that way aswell ? like i said a few pages back on this thread, Floyd Mayweather gets called a chicken. For taking a better offer against Carlos Baldomir.

But when Antonio Margarito has accused the top fighters of ducking him, then when one of the big fighters calls him out. And he refuses even though he would get the biggest pay day of his career, and the fight makes perfect sense. People praise Antonio Margarito what the hell seriously ?

Its one rule for one boxer and not for the other ?

[ICB]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

And Antonio Margarito allegly offered Floyd Mayweather 8 Million Dollars. But that doesn't mean thats true either, yet all the Floyd Mayweather haters use that argument all the time. And i seriously doubt a no namer like Antonio Margarito was at that time would have that kind of offer.

[DaxxKahn]

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

And Antonio Margarito allegly offered Floyd Mayweather 8 Million Dollars. But that doesn't mean thats true either, yet all the Floyd Mayweather haters use that argument all the time. And i seriously doubt a no namer like Antonio Margarito was at that time would have that kind of offer.

I agree 100% there was no way Margarito had a legit 8 mill offer unless his promoter was willing to put it out..and I doubt it....

Don't get me wrong this is not a one sided issue I was bringing up....There are plenty of fighters/promoters etc that make these claims...Hell they even make the offers publicly but when they sit at the negotiation table things change...All of a sudden that $8 mil offer turns into $2 mill and a percentage of buys if it does over a certain amount...or we will give $2 mill and a cash bonus right now of $500,000...or what ever the case may be.....

My whole point is and something this guy Clubber can not get through his head due to all his vast experience of reading Dan Rafael blogs is...This is a business...Promoters can not go around giving paydays like that whenthe risk for return is so high......

If such a fight with such and offer that was supposed in the Margarito/Mayweather offers and the PPV buys did horrible (and they would have because PBF was a terrible PPV draw and Tony unknown outside of boxing entusiast)...it would take the promoter a long time to recoup...Add to the fact if Margarito won there would be sanctioning fees to keep the title.....he would expect to be paid for his defenses in the future etc...none allowing the promoter to regain his money...add the expenses of his other fighters etc....

Yeah we as fans or in the media blast guys for not taking offers...or we blast them for turning down fights with certain people and we EXPECT them to fight just top prove something but there is a business side to this sport...

These guys fight for paydays...these guys need to have money to retire on...Promoters need to make more then a 2 percent profit on a bout...

To sum it up...as you said I agree about the supposed $8 mill offer to PBF it was not happening or PBF's promo company was expected to take up more of the promotional expenses to have the fight put on lowering the purse anyhow......

Money is thrown out there as a tool to entice opponents...it is used to put the media in a tangent...it is used to make someone look bad for not taking the bout....thing is the offer nis not always what it seems to be....

Unless you are Clubber reading Dan Rafael's blog then it has to be

[Diane]

Okay, talks for this may have heated up again it seems. This appeared as a blurb in a Steve Kim, of MaxBoxing.com article today.

Thanksgiving Leftovers at the Citizens Business Bank Arena


LATE SUGAR RUSH?

Multiple sources have informed Maxboxing.com that negotiations between the camps of Shane Mosley and Andre Berto reached an impasse over the weekend and a deal for them to face each other on January 24th was never agreed to.

Berto, the current WBC welterweight titlist, was the fall back plan for Golden Boy Promotions and HBO after Antonio Margarito originally passed on the fight. There were several issues that loomed large. Berto and his camp, led by promoter Lou DiBella and adviser Al Haymon, were looking for a million dollar payday for their fighter. And when they couldn't secure it, they decided it wasn't worth dropping their belt (as Luis Collazo is their mandatory challenger) to face Mosley at this point. Also, there was the insistence on Mosley and his side of having the fight take place in Las Vegas. Another important factor is that the disparity in money for Berto in facing Collazo, as opposed to Mosley, isn't all that great. And finally, Berto's braintrust, seeing what took place with Bernard Hopkins and Kelly Pavlik, had some reservations in throwing a young fighter in with a seasoned veteran.

As that fight unraveled, talks resumed for Margarito to face Mosley over the weekend. From what I'm told, there was plenty of progress made and there is a very strong possibility that this fight could be finalized shortly, with a press conference being planned for the weekend of Pacquiao-De La Hoya.

The fight would be scheduled for January 24th and most likely take place at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.