Margarito turns down fight with Mosley

[Diane]

Okay, this was on the front page of Fightnews.com, so no direct link.

Margarito on Mosley rejection!
By Gabriel F. Cordero
"Mosley is not all to continue with my career," says WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Earlier this week "The Tijuana Tornado" rejected a two million dollar offer to defend against the three-division former world champion Sugar Shane Mosley. "De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain." The possibility exists that Margarito would carry out a defense in Mexico or the USA before a likely rematch with Miguel Cotto with a probable date of June 2009. Mosley's promoter Golden Boy Promotions issued a scathing press release to Spanish-language media calling Margarito "scared" among others things for refusing to meet Mosley on January 24th. Mosley is now expected to face WBC champ Andre Berto.
Friday, November 21 2008

"De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain."

Now I like Tony, but this seriously makes me lose some respect for him.

First, why would he want to act in a manner that he thrashed Oscar for? And then say it's acceptable for him to be like that.

Second, what does Shane have to do with Oscar's decisions?

So now he's either not going to fight before fighting Cotto again, which would be a mistake in my opinion, or fighting a lesser name for less money. For someone who keeps talking that he wants big pay days, it makes no sense at all to me.

I still like Tony, but I'm very disappointed in him right now.

[JT Rock]

Okay, this was on the front page of Fightnews.com, so no direct link.

Margarito on Mosley rejection!
By Gabriel F. Cordero
"Mosley is not all to continue with my career," says WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Earlier this week "The Tijuana Tornado" rejected a two million dollar offer to defend against the three-division former world champion Sugar Shane Mosley. "De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain." The possibility exists that Margarito would carry out a defense in Mexico or the USA before a likely rematch with Miguel Cotto with a probable date of June 2009. Mosley's promoter Golden Boy Promotions issued a scathing press release to Spanish-language media calling Margarito "scared" among others things for refusing to meet Mosley on January 24th. Mosley is now expected to face WBC champ Andre Berto.
Friday, November 21 2008

"De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain."

Now I like Tony, but this seriously makes me lose some respect for him.

First, why would he want to act in a manner that he thrashed Oscar for? And then say it's acceptable for him to be like that.

Second, what does Shane have to do with Oscar's decisions?

So now he's either not going to fight before fighting Cotto again, which would be a mistake in my opinion, or fighting a lesser name for less money. For someone who keeps talking that he wants big pay days, it makes no sense at all to me.

I still like Tony, but I'm very disappointed in him right now.

That makes 2 of us

[ICB]

Okay, this was on the front page of Fightnews.com, so no direct link.

Margarito on Mosley rejection!
By Gabriel F. Cordero
"Mosley is not all to continue with my career," says WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Earlier this week "The Tijuana Tornado" rejected a two million dollar offer to defend against the three-division former world champion Sugar Shane Mosley. "De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain." The possibility exists that Margarito would carry out a defense in Mexico or the USA before a likely rematch with Miguel Cotto with a probable date of June 2009. Mosley's promoter Golden Boy Promotions issued a scathing press release to Spanish-language media calling Margarito "scared" among others things for refusing to meet Mosley on January 24th. Mosley is now expected to face WBC champ Andre Berto.
Friday, November 21 2008

"De La Hoya didn't keep his word, went around me, made excuses, and in the end didn't have seriousness in his words," said Margarito. "I am doing exactly the same thing, so they can't complain."

Now I like Tony, but this seriously makes me lose some respect for him.

First, why would he want to act in a manner that he thrashed Oscar for? And then say it's acceptable for him to be like that.

Second, what does Shane have to do with Oscar's decisions?

So now he's either not going to fight before fighting Cotto again, which would be a mistake in my opinion, or fighting a lesser name for less money. For someone who keeps talking that he wants big pay days, it makes no sense at all to me.

I still like Tony, but I'm very disappointed in him right now.

That makes 2 of us

I don't see how anyone else couldn't think that way aswell ? like i said a few pages back on this thread, Floyd Mayweather gets called a chicken. For taking a better offer against Carlos Baldomir.

But when Antonio Margarito has accused the top fighters of ducking him, then when one of the big fighters calls him out. And he refuses even though he would get the biggest pay day of his career, and the fight makes perfect sense. People praise Antonio Margarito what the hell seriously ?

Its one rule for one boxer and not for the other ?

[ICB]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

And Antonio Margarito allegly offered Floyd Mayweather 8 Million Dollars. But that doesn't mean thats true either, yet all the Floyd Mayweather haters use that argument all the time. And i seriously doubt a no namer like Antonio Margarito was at that time would have that kind of offer.

[ICB]

Last I knew it was a done deal....I hate when they send out pressers then things change...Just wait until all is inked instead of saying it is inked...

My best guess is money....Tony has been avoided that big money bout that the others have gotten for so long he is trying to make the best of it...He only has another 2 or so years left...

I don't want to sound nasty here Daxx but it sounds like your just making excuses for Antonio Margarito. Where as if this was Floyd Mayweather people would be calling him a chicken ETC.

But Antonio Margarito gets praised for turning down a fight, which he really has no good reason to turn down ? i just sometimes don't get fans at all.

I like Antonio Margarito but i also like Floyd Mayweather, and we have to be fair here. Antonio Margarito accused Shane Mosley of ducking him in the past for supposedly 8 million dollars.

Which i don't believe for a second that a no namer at that time Antonio Margarito, would bring that kind of offer to big name opponents like Shane Mosley/Floyd Mayweather.

Then when Antonio Margarito gets the fight he has supposedly wanted, he avoids the fight ? that sounds like a hypocrite to me and thats all i'll say, until i hear more on the matter.

But i don't see how anyone else couldn't think that way at the moment.

Sound how ever you want but when Margarito was looking to fight these big names no one gave him the time of day....Now he should just accept every challenge?....Fair play in my book....

For years Tony was ignored....These names could have fought him then but choose not to.....He was side stepped...Disrespected by all as a "Club Fighter".......Even many posters on this board referred to him as such....

Margarito waited paitently for his time....No one needed him...now they NEED HIM...for the big fight because he is the big fight....Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot....

Those guys could have fought him and given him a payday but choose not to...so why not seek the biggest payday he can?.....He and his promoters know there is a bigger one available or these guys will up their ante....

If Williams people were so quick to have a 4 million dollar payday available to him means they are anxious...anxious enough to add to the pot....

Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more.....

A win over Mosley will just bring criticizim and everyone knows it...It will be "Mosley was way past his best why didn't Margarito fight so and so"...

His team knows that.....so make the best of it....Right now it is about Tony maximizing on what he has.....Rightfully so

Maybe if everyone would have given him some respect a few years ago he would be happy to return the favor but they didn't.....


As for those who are saying Margarito is avoiding anyone they are out of their minds...He not only fought but dominated the man no one else wanted to face Miguel Cotto...Tony fears no one

Sorry Daxx but i think thats kind of a lame excuse no offense, but i think deep down you know this move from Antonio Margarito is making him look a hypocrite. You say Paul Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating over his win over Antonio Margarito.

But isn't that exactly what Antonio Margarito is doing right now with Miguel Cotto ? he has a great offer here. Shane Mosley is a big name, he had a good KO in his last fight. It will be Antonio Margarito's biggest pay day so why not take the fight ?

I just don't get it at all Antonio Margarito has claimed alot of things in the past. About opponents ducking him but this looks just as bad with Shane Mosley, isn't he the one that said Shane Mosley ducked him ? so why is he refusing the fight when Shane Mosley calls him out on that offer ?

[DaxxKahn]

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

And Antonio Margarito allegly offered Floyd Mayweather 8 Million Dollars. But that doesn't mean thats true either, yet all the Floyd Mayweather haters use that argument all the time. And i seriously doubt a no namer like Antonio Margarito was at that time would have that kind of offer.

I agree 100% there was no way Margarito had a legit 8 mill offer unless his promoter was willing to put it out..and I doubt it....

Don't get me wrong this is not a one sided issue I was bringing up....There are plenty of fighters/promoters etc that make these claims...Hell they even make the offers publicly but when they sit at the negotiation table things change...All of a sudden that $8 mil offer turns into $2 mill and a percentage of buys if it does over a certain amount...or we will give $2 mill and a cash bonus right now of $500,000...or what ever the case may be.....

My whole point is and something this guy Clubber can not get through his head due to all his vast experience of reading Dan Rafael blogs is...This is a business...Promoters can not go around giving paydays like that whenthe risk for return is so high......

If such a fight with such and offer that was supposed in the Margarito/Mayweather offers and the PPV buys did horrible (and they would have because PBF was a terrible PPV draw and Tony unknown outside of boxing entusiast)...it would take the promoter a long time to recoup...Add to the fact if Margarito won there would be sanctioning fees to keep the title.....he would expect to be paid for his defenses in the future etc...none allowing the promoter to regain his money...add the expenses of his other fighters etc....

Yeah we as fans or in the media blast guys for not taking offers...or we blast them for turning down fights with certain people and we EXPECT them to fight just top prove something but there is a business side to this sport...

These guys fight for paydays...these guys need to have money to retire on...Promoters need to make more then a 2 percent profit on a bout...

To sum it up...as you said I agree about the supposed $8 mill offer to PBF it was not happening or PBF's promo company was expected to take up more of the promotional expenses to have the fight put on lowering the purse anyhow......

Money is thrown out there as a tool to entice opponents...it is used to put the media in a tangent...it is used to make someone look bad for not taking the bout....thing is the offer nis not always what it seems to be....

Unless you are Clubber reading Dan Rafael's blog then it has to be

[Diane]

Okay, talks for this may have heated up again it seems. This appeared as a blurb in a Steve Kim, of MaxBoxing.com article today.

Thanksgiving Leftovers at the Citizens Business Bank Arena


LATE SUGAR RUSH?

Multiple sources have informed Maxboxing.com that negotiations between the camps of Shane Mosley and Andre Berto reached an impasse over the weekend and a deal for them to face each other on January 24th was never agreed to.

Berto, the current WBC welterweight titlist, was the fall back plan for Golden Boy Promotions and HBO after Antonio Margarito originally passed on the fight. There were several issues that loomed large. Berto and his camp, led by promoter Lou DiBella and adviser Al Haymon, were looking for a million dollar payday for their fighter. And when they couldn't secure it, they decided it wasn't worth dropping their belt (as Luis Collazo is their mandatory challenger) to face Mosley at this point. Also, there was the insistence on Mosley and his side of having the fight take place in Las Vegas. Another important factor is that the disparity in money for Berto in facing Collazo, as opposed to Mosley, isn't all that great. And finally, Berto's braintrust, seeing what took place with Bernard Hopkins and Kelly Pavlik, had some reservations in throwing a young fighter in with a seasoned veteran.

As that fight unraveled, talks resumed for Margarito to face Mosley over the weekend. From what I'm told, there was plenty of progress made and there is a very strong possibility that this fight could be finalized shortly, with a press conference being planned for the weekend of Pacquiao-De La Hoya.

The fight would be scheduled for January 24th and most likely take place at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.

[bcollins]

Okay, talks for this may have heated up again it seems. This appeared as a blurb in a Steve Kim, of MaxBoxing.com article today.

Thanksgiving Leftovers at the Citizens Business Bank Arena


LATE SUGAR RUSH?

Multiple sources have informed Maxboxing.com that negotiations between the camps of Shane Mosley and Andre Berto reached an impasse over the weekend and a deal for them to face each other on January 24th was never agreed to.

Berto, the current WBC welterweight titlist, was the fall back plan for Golden Boy Promotions and HBO after Antonio Margarito originally passed on the fight. There were several issues that loomed large. Berto and his camp, led by promoter Lou DiBella and adviser Al Haymon, were looking for a million dollar payday for their fighter. And when they couldn't secure it, they decided it wasn't worth dropping their belt (as Luis Collazo is their mandatory challenger) to face Mosley at this point. Also, there was the insistence on Mosley and his side of having the fight take place in Las Vegas. Another important factor is that the disparity in money for Berto in facing Collazo, as opposed to Mosley, isn't all that great. And finally, Berto's braintrust, seeing what took place with Bernard Hopkins and Kelly Pavlik, had some reservations in throwing a young fighter in with a seasoned veteran.

As that fight unraveled, talks resumed for Margarito to face Mosley over the weekend. From what I'm told, there was plenty of progress made and there is a very strong possibility that this fight could be finalized shortly, with a press conference being planned for the weekend of Pacquiao-De La Hoya.

The fight would be scheduled for January 24th and most likely take place at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.

This is way too much like a soap opera. I just hope they get everything worked out soon so we'll have more good fights to look forward to - Margarito/Mosley and Berto/Collazo has a good ring to it

[Deanrw]

The fight is back on for January 24th. Margarito only wanted a bigger piece of the pie and said Shane did not deserve 50/50

He got want he wanted.

Antonio Margarito-Shane Mosley Deal Reached For 1/24? - Boxing News

By Mark Vester
According to Francisco Espinoza, co-manager of WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito, a deal has been reached for a title defense against Shane Mosley on January 24 in Las Vegas. There were ongoing negotiations for the last few weeks that broke down last Tuesday when Margarito, angry that Mosley wanted a 50-50 split, turned down the fight. Golden Boy Promotions tried to secure WBC champ Andre Berto for Molsey but there were numerous issues ranging from money to Berto losing his title for not making his mandatory obligation against Luis Collazo.
Espinoza told the usually reliable Notifight, that HBO, who put up a previous license fee of $4 million dollars, came to the table with a new offer late Friday night. Team Margarito went over the offer and approved it over the weekend. The previous license fee being put up by HBO was $4 million dollars. Espinoza did not disclose the financial terms of the new deal.
Espinoza told Notifight that Margarito accepted the deal and is making plans for his Los Angeles training camp. More details to come.