Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

[Trainer Monkey]

If he is so much better at LW, and he must be aware of this, then why not come in at that weight. PBF was not never going to be significantly bigger than Hatton, regardless of whether Hatton came in at 140 or 145 (which is what I think he weighed in at), and the weight wouldn't have made any more than a marginal difference, one that would easily be offset by a "sharper, more explosive" Hatton. Of course extra training and discipline make a difference, but I'm sure Hatton wasn't spending his prefight training time drinking guiness and eating burgers. I highly doubt he let his training slip during the run up to fight the best fighter in the world, that, IMO, is a ridiculous assertion. Hatton and his team believed weighing in at 140 would've given him a better chance against PBF, then they would've done it as, because of the fact that Floyd is not even a natural 140lber, the weight discrepency would've been negligable.

I'm not trying to be mean, but your argument makes little sense to me. PBF owns Hatton at whatever weight they fight at. Like others have mentioned, PBF would also be sharper and faster at 140, negative whatever supposed advantage you think Hatton would have.

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

[CFH]

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

Since when has Hatton been known as a "notorious undertrainer"? I've never heard anyone credible make that claim.

He has a reputation for training like a demon, the knock on him is that he balloons up in weight between fights, but has always been renowned for his conditioning.

If he was such a undedicated subject, how does he manage to drop from 170-180 lbs to 140 in time for his fights?

[Trainer Monkey]

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

Since when has Hatton been known as a "notorious undertrainers"? I've never heard anyone credible make that claim.

He has a reputation for training like a demon, the knock on him is that he balloons up in weight between fights, but has always been renowned for his conditioning.

If he was such a undedicated subject, how does he manage to drop from 170-180 lbs to 140 in time for his fights?

He's also notorious for Sauna Suiting
Its going to catch him eventually,you could make a case that it caught him against Mayweather,but I think he still loses that fight

[bambamdaddio]

Bang on from ya TrainerMonkey thats all Im saying..

[killersheep]

Thats fine bud ... so we have different points of view you keep talking about Floyd who is awesome ... but as I keep saying its about Hatton for me ..Im not disputing who would win as Ive said all along it would still be Floyd but Hatton would fight a better fight

Look you aint changin my thinkin ... nor me yours so lets agree to disagree yeah ... then neither of us gets frustrated at going around in circles ok...

I respect your opinion as a fellow poster & thank you for it..

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

I'm pretty sure I remember the Hatton camp saying Ricky was training the hardest he ever had for the Mayweather fight. Mayweather is a gym rat, he is ALWAYS training, nobody trains harder than PBF fight coming up or not he is always in peak shape. Hatton getting into shape for 140 would require him to do extra cardio and wath his diet more, I don't see how either of those things would give him the extra skills to have anymore success against PBF than he did at 147.

[bambamdaddio]

Of course I keep talking about Floyd, that is who Hatton was fighting. He is relevant because you claim he would have some kind of size advantage against Hatton if Hatton came in weighing 140, which is not true. I agree that if Hatton was fighting a Margarito this point would be moot, but he wasn't fighting a true welter.

But whatever, I'll drop it, but honestly I still don't feel you've made a valid point and this board is all about debating these things.

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

I'm pretty sure I remember the Hatton camp saying Ricky was training the hardest he ever had for the Mayweather fight. Mayweather is a gym rat, he is ALWAYS training, nobody trains harder than PBF fight coming up or not he is always in peak shape. Hatton getting into shape for 140 would require him to do extra cardio and wath his diet more, I don't see how either of those things would give him the extra skills to have anymore success against PBF than he did at 147.

Who said anything about skills bud ... & the Hatton camp will always say the best for there fighter...but the extra put in gives him more energy more discipline, more explosive power & more speed...not to mention what it does mentally when sacrificing so much, it makes ya meaner, more aggressive ... nothing to do with would he win or not Im bored of saying I dont think he would, but for the above reasons Im saying Hatton fights as a better fighter than he does at welter against anybody

[killersheep]

He made a totally valid point bro,Ricky is one of the most notorious undertrainers in the entire business.
It probably goes similar,but Hatton makes it a way better fight then it was,if he had come in in better shape.
Hatton's a great fighter,but he gives anybody whose stuck training him ulcers because of his lack of discipline
If he had had to make a lower weight,he might have trained harder and made a better go of it.
Floyd still probably beats him,but it wouldnt have been as one sided as it was

I'm pretty sure I remember the Hatton camp saying Ricky was training the hardest he ever had for the Mayweather fight. Mayweather is a gym rat, he is ALWAYS training, nobody trains harder than PBF fight coming up or not he is always in peak shape. Hatton getting into shape for 140 would require him to do extra cardio and wath his diet more, I don't see how either of those things would give him the extra skills to have anymore success against PBF than he did at 147.

Who said anything about skills bud ... & the Hatton camp will always say the best for there fighter...but the extra put in gives him more energy more discipline, more explosive power & more speed...not to mention what it does mentally when sacrificing so much, it makes ya meaner, more aggressive ... nothing to do with would he win or not Im bored of saying I dont think he would, but for the above reasons Im saying Hatton fights as a better fighter than he does at welter against anybody

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

[bambamdaddio]

I'm pretty sure I remember the Hatton camp saying Ricky was training the hardest he ever had for the Mayweather fight. Mayweather is a gym rat, he is ALWAYS training, nobody trains harder than PBF fight coming up or not he is always in peak shape. Hatton getting into shape for 140 would require him to do extra cardio and wath his diet more, I don't see how either of those things would give him the extra skills to have anymore success against PBF than he did at 147.

Who said anything about skills bud ... & the Hatton camp will always say the best for there fighter...but the extra put in gives him more energy more discipline, more explosive power & more speed...not to mention what it does mentally when sacrificing so much, it makes ya meaner, more aggressive ... nothing to do with would he win or not Im bored of saying I dont think he would, but for the above reasons Im saying Hatton fights as a better fighter than he does at welter against anybody

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

No Im saying the extra he has to give to make lite welter changes him all around & I really believe it does ... & I really believe its a mental thing, in that having to discipline himself that much more changes him ... as well as the fitness benefits obviously...he has to put in extra at lw that gives him a different toughness mentally & physically, which I believe gives a better fighter in bringing out the best in him thats all..

[killersheep]

Who said anything about skills bud ... & the Hatton camp will always say the best for there fighter...but the extra put in gives him more energy more discipline, more explosive power & more speed...not to mention what it does mentally when sacrificing so much, it makes ya meaner, more aggressive ... nothing to do with would he win or not Im bored of saying I dont think he would, but for the above reasons Im saying Hatton fights as a better fighter than he does at welter against anybody

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

No Im saying the extra he has to give to make lite welter changes him all around & I really believe it does ... & I really believe its a mental thing, in that having to discipline himself that much more changes him ... as well as the fitness benefits obviously...he has to put in extra at lw that gives him a different toughness mentally & physically, which I believe gives a better fighter in bringing out the best in him thats all..

So why does that not apply to Mayweather?

[bambamdaddio]

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

No Im saying the extra he has to give to make lite welter changes him all around & I really believe it does ... & I really believe its a mental thing, in that having to discipline himself that much more changes him ... as well as the fitness benefits obviously...he has to put in extra at lw that gives him a different toughness mentally & physically, which I believe gives a better fighter in bringing out the best in him thats all..

So why does that not apply to Mayweather?

Eh ... dont get ya bud I never said it wouldnt ... so if thats so Floyd fights a better fight then yes ... so then Ricky does too .. so maybe we get the same result but a better fight..

[Trainer Monkey]

I'm pretty sure I remember the Hatton camp saying Ricky was training the hardest he ever had for the Mayweather fight. Mayweather is a gym rat, he is ALWAYS training, nobody trains harder than PBF fight coming up or not he is always in peak shape. Hatton getting into shape for 140 would require him to do extra cardio and wath his diet more, I don't see how either of those things would give him the extra skills to have anymore success against PBF than he did at 147.

Who said anything about skills bud ... & the Hatton camp will always say the best for there fighter...but the extra put in gives him more energy more discipline, more explosive power & more speed...not to mention what it does mentally when sacrificing so much, it makes ya meaner, more aggressive ... nothing to do with would he win or not Im bored of saying I dont think he would, but for the above reasons Im saying Hatton fights as a better fighter than he does at welter against anybody

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

[bambamdaddio]

Who said anything about skills bud ... & the Hatton camp will always say the best for there fighter...but the extra put in gives him more energy more discipline, more explosive power & more speed...not to mention what it does mentally when sacrificing so much, it makes ya meaner, more aggressive ... nothing to do with would he win or not Im bored of saying I dont think he would, but for the above reasons Im saying Hatton fights as a better fighter than he does at welter against anybody

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

[CFH]

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

But the weight the fight took place at has nothing to do with it. You're essentially saying that Hatton is not professional enough to come into the biggest fight of his career in the best possible condition, but I have never seen any evidence of this at all nor have I ever read anything from a credible source suggesting it.

Hatton was in the best possible shape for the Mayweather fight, in fact he weighed in well below the 147 limit with the stated goal of keeping that sharpness and that hunger.

[killersheep]

Are you saying he fought Mayweather and Collazo less aggressively and more slowly than his fights at 140?

I dont think anyone is saying he would have beaten Mayweather,but he would have had a much better shot if he had been tighter and in better shape is more what both of us are saying.
I still think Floyd would end up being too slick for Hatton's style,but he would have had a better shot at it lighter

Spot on Bro .. simple as that

So you are saying he would have won more rounds? Or maybe see the final bell? Or maybe he had more of a punchers chance? If you are not saying he would win, then maybe I missed the original point of this topic as written by beanflicker:

Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.

So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.

So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.

[Spicoli]

140,147.....The fact that Hatton drinks like a fish in the off time and melts back down to fit shape by fight time is pretty amazing and one would think pretty taxing physically.Whatever the weight,Hatton could not compensate for the athleticism of Mayweather.Hattons 'fast' is Mayweathers 'lightspeed'.............And I picked Hatton