A paradox about p4p rankings

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Thanks buddy, actually whilst I'm on my soap box.......

Remember the p4p rankings at least those from the Ring are carried out as objectively as possible using scientific method and based on performances and acomplishment's

Who you think would beat who is irelevent, it's the actual fights that have taken place that count.

So you thinking Manny should be downgraded from p4p number 1 status now he has fought at welter because in your opinion he would lose to Margarito makes a mockery of the ranking system.

It's not based on opinion but fact and actual results.

If Manny and Margarito fought and Manny lost he would no longer be p4p number 1, as he would have been beaten. He'd drop down a place or two.

But you can't drop him before the fight has even happened because you assume he would lose as that's ridiculous and makes the rankings nothing more than your opinion of who would win what fights.

And when we consider that everybody thought Oscar would beat Manny easily as well...............

p4p rankings not subject to opinion? Facts and actual results only? Okaaaayyyy, if you say so. I'm going to withdraw those reps if you keep making statements like that.

So which fighter rankings in the Ring's list do you think are just subject to their opinions?

Of course we can all disagree to an extent thinking one fighter should be rated higher than another but to suggest they just do it on a whim is ridiculous.

They follow clearly defined guidelines where their own 'point of view' is minimised as much as possible.

A clear demonstration of this is the Ring's ranking of Juan Manuel Marquez as the Ring Champ at lightweight even though they have Manny as the world's best fighter.

Even though Manny beat Marquez earlier this year, and even though he's clearly the most acomplished fighter in the world right now in terms of fight results and achievements they Marquez as champ because he won the linear title. Their personal opinion on who is best did not come to it. He's the linear champ, he's number 1.

With the p4p rankings themselves the rules and guidelines are less concrete and maybe more abstract but they are still guided by their own carefully set up principles established over 100 years of experience.

You can be pretty sure that when the Ring magazine rates a fighter in the top 10 that his acomplishments and recent fight performances in particular have earned him that right.

As for other magazines, tv stations, websites and forum members p4p rankings, I agree they often seem to be completely bizarre and biased to one or two weight classes but they are the not official p4p rankings.

When you are talking p4p rankings, you are talking The Ring Magazine and their criteria for judging are carefully defined and personal opinion does not factor much into their decisions if at all.

OK lets clarify. Of course facts and results play a role, It would be foolish to suggest otherwise. What I'm saying is that in addition to the bare facts, there's subjectivity and opinion also. I'd be rather surprised if you tried to tell me that Ring Rankings contain no subjectivity.

edit: duly noted on Tessitore and McGuigan LOL