Mayweather vs Pac

[Julius Rain]

pac only has good wins over MAB, Morales, and a very close win over JMM, and a drained Oscar. most dont even think he won the 2nd fight with JMM so that only leaves the Barrera and Morales wins.

what does floyd have? oscar and hatton? scratch oscar out pac already beat him far more convincing then floyd and pac is gunning for hatton. pac is a freak of nature the guy has gone up weight more then anybody and still carries his speed and power.

dont forget Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, etc floyd has more names than Pac does on his list so its no comparison. and are u aware that floyd is a 5 division champ and hasnt been beat nor how can pac beat floyd hmmmmm. u cant answer that cause its never been done FACT

we can make a list and I can add guys similar to the levels of gatti judah castillo corrales but yet you prolly haven't heard of them Floyd does not have more names then pac. Pac has nearly twice more fights then floyd and is younger, plus pac has fought atleast 4 hall of famers.

Floyd is a 5 time division champ, pac is too but at the time there was no ring title when marco was considered as featherweight king. Therfor its only 4 time division champ but 5 time champion for pac.

Pac has gone from 106 to 147, thats 41 pounds! INSANE!

floyd 130 to 154, thats 24 pounds again pac nearly doubles him. Just like if we made a list of fighters each oppenent beat pac would double him again.

OK floyd is undefeated so? does that mean much now a days? it actually just raise an eyebrow for the real boxing fan. it signals, he has a suspect record.

Anyways, like i said talent wise floyd is up there but resume wise his is very suspect. Pac can not be doubted because he clearly fights anybody thats put in front of him. He even considering fighting COTTO! a guy floyd avoided!

[Spicoli]

This is the never ending post, but i've got to respond. I dont believe this but lets just say that when Oscar fought Manny that he was drained, was over worked. Why did all the experts, all the high rollers in vegas have their money on DLH? All of the HBO commentators thought DLH would be to big and to strong. No one and I repeat NO ONE said oscar was drained until he lost and that JT is a fact. Oscar was saying he was in the best shape of his life, Angelo Dundee said Oscar looked great. Its not fair to Manny Pacquiao for people to act like Oscar was old and drained because he just wasnt. You have not once have given credit for Paquiao annialating Oscar. Speed is speed. DLH couldnt stop that left hand if he had all advantages down to glove type ect. God rest his soul but dont try to compare corrales with Pacquiao man honestly! Speed, chin, footwork, everything about Pacquiao is better. Im not saying Mayweather is a bad fighter, obviously he's not, I just dont think he's the best in the world right now, and I dont think he can beat Manny Pacquiao at the moment. I know I've said this a thousand times but the chances of Ricky Hatton beating Pacquiao are about 1 in a 100. Hatton cant hit whats not there, I dont care how much he pressures him. Once again when Manny and Floyd fight (and they will) I think mayweather will land some shots, just not as many as Pacman. In the end it boils down to Pacquiao's movement. Head goes side to side continually, bounces on both feet in and out. Mayweather has never fought someone that moves like Pacquiao and I think it will frustrate him the whole night!

Actually,there were a few pointing that out before the bell,namely Saddo Boxer who of course had Manny motives, but facts are facts.Don't think you were around then?

[leftylee]

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I hope you are simply unaware that that is a racist term.

how is that a racist term? honestly somebody that thinks its a racist term may be the one who needs to check if they have racism thoughts.

"Monkey" is a well-known racist term. Obviously you didn't mean it as one though.

Agreed. You call a black person "Monkey" and it's 100% racist. You call a black person that in my city and you'ld get KNFO.

[Julius Rain]

This is the never ending post, but i've got to respond. I dont believe this but lets just say that when Oscar fought Manny that he was drained, was over worked. Why did all the experts, all the high rollers in vegas have their money on DLH? All of the HBO commentators thought DLH would be to big and to strong. No one and I repeat NO ONE said oscar was drained until he lost and that JT is a fact. Oscar was saying he was in the best shape of his life, Angelo Dundee said Oscar looked great. Its not fair to Manny Pacquiao for people to act like Oscar was old and drained because he just wasnt. You have not once have given credit for Paquiao annialating Oscar. Speed is speed. DLH couldnt stop that left hand if he had all advantages down to glove type ect. God rest his soul but dont try to compare corrales with Pacquiao man honestly! Speed, chin, footwork, everything about Pacquiao is better. Im not saying Mayweather is a bad fighter, obviously he's not, I just dont think he's the best in the world right now, and I dont think he can beat Manny Pacquiao at the moment. I know I've said this a thousand times but the chances of Ricky Hatton beating Pacquiao are about 1 in a 100. Hatton cant hit whats not there, I dont care how much he pressures him. Once again when Manny and Floyd fight (and they will) I think mayweather will land some shots, just not as many as Pacman. In the end it boils down to Pacquiao's movement. Head goes side to side continually, bounces on both feet in and out. Mayweather has never fought someone that moves like Pacquiao and I think it will frustrate him the whole night!

Actually,there were a few pointing that out before the bell,namely Saddo Boxer who of course had Manny motives, but facts are facts.Don't think you were around then?

yea but before the fight, people were talking about the weight not being an issue because pacs speed and pac doesn't get involve in huggings. They were saying the height would be oscars real advantage, but oscar didn't really use his height advantage. I guess he had to keep himself tight cause pac was just getting in and out so fast. If oscar did stand tall and jab he may have kept the fighting boring but yet containing pac more.

[Julius Rain]

how is that a racist term? honestly somebody that thinks its a racist term may be the one who needs to check if they have racism thoughts.

"Monkey" is a well-known racist term. Obviously you didn't mean it as one though.

Agreed. You call a black person "Monkey" and it's 100% racist. You call a black person that in my city and you'ld get KNFO.

which city is that?

[leftylee]

"Monkey" is a well-known racist term. Obviously you didn't mean it as one though.

Agreed. You call a black person "Monkey" and it's 100% racist. You call a black person that in my city and you'ld get KNFO.

which city is that?

Liverpool, England.

Though that term wouldn't go down well ANYWHERE in the UK.

You watch English football (Soccer to you guys) ? well the national England team played Spain a couple of years ago and one of our players who's black (Shaun Wright-Phillips) was on the end of monkey gestures and chants from the Spanish crowd. It caused outrage within the English press and Wright-Phillips was on the verge of leaving the field. We later took Spain to FIFA. Just not acceptable at all.

Sorry about going a bit off topic there...

[JT Rock]

This is the never ending post, but i've got to respond. I dont believe this but lets just say that when Oscar fought Manny that he was drained, was over worked. Why did all the experts, all the high rollers in vegas have their money on DLH? All of the HBO commentators thought DLH would be to big and to strong. No one and I repeat NO ONE said oscar was drained until he lost and that JT is a fact. Oscar was saying he was in the best shape of his life, Angelo Dundee said Oscar looked great. Its not fair to Manny Pacquiao for people to act like Oscar was old and drained because he just wasnt. You have not once have given credit for Paquiao annialating Oscar. Speed is speed. DLH couldnt stop that left hand if he had all advantages down to glove type ect. God rest his soul but dont try to compare corrales with Pacquiao man honestly! Speed, chin, footwork, everything about Pacquiao is better. Im not saying Mayweather is a bad fighter, obviously he's not, I just dont think he's the best in the world right now, and I dont think he can beat Manny Pacquiao at the moment. I know I've said this a thousand times but the chances of Ricky Hatton beating Pacquiao are about 1 in a 100. Hatton cant hit whats not there, I dont care how much he pressures him. Once again when Manny and Floyd fight (and they will) I think mayweather will land some shots, just not as many as Pacman. In the end it boils down to Pacquiao's movement. Head goes side to side continually, bounces on both feet in and out. Mayweather has never fought someone that moves like Pacquiao and I think it will frustrate him the whole night!

I wasnt comparing Diego to Manny.. I said I dont think Manny beating Oscar was a greater feet than Floyd beating Diego...

Why do you guys keep ignoring what Jmm did to Pac and all that Juan can do Floyd does better and faster... Like I said there is nothing new today than last year that suggest Manny can beat Floyd. You guys seem to be empowered because he beat an Old dryed Delahoya, thats the only reason..

Of course Oscar is going to say he was the best shape in his life of course Dundee was going to say that, he's getting paid too.. Roach knew DLH wasnt the same, thats why he said before the fight he couldnt pull the trigger anymore and so did the guys in his camp during 24/7... its not me man its your boys who said it!!!!!

For the most part everyone picked Oscar because they thought he would utilize his size and fight like the bigger man because he had the frame for it.. When HBO announced Oscar didnt rehydrate and weighed a pound less than Manny I told my girl Oscar was going to get tromped... Size, weight and durability is what Oscar had going for him.. it was never about the speed at this stage of his career.. History was right and consistent as always, fighters moving down in weight at advanced years dont bode well at all..

We dont need Oscar or Angelo to tell you what kind of shape Oscar was in, when it was clear he looked slow and lethargic in their with no zip at all

How can you say Floyd will land SOME SHOTS Did you know he lands consistently in the mid 40's for connect percentage and your boy aint that hard to hit.. Did you know Floyds opponents land in the low to mid teens for their connect percentage... Do your homework dude

[JT Rock]

we can make a list and I can add guys similar to the levels of gatti judah castillo corrales but yet you prolly haven't heard of them Floyd does not have more names then pac. Pac has nearly twice more fights then floyd and is younger, plus pac has fought atleast 4 hall of famers.

Pac beat MAB in his prime and a shot Morales 2x and a shot MAB in a absolute snoozefest got a draw against JMM and got a gift in their 2nd... THATS IT!!!!

so know unless you bring up those guys Floyd has the better resume

[Spicoli]

This is the never ending post, but i've got to respond. I dont believe this but lets just say that when Oscar fought Manny that he was drained, was over worked. Why did all the experts, all the high rollers in vegas have their money on DLH? All of the HBO commentators thought DLH would be to big and to strong. No one and I repeat NO ONE said oscar was drained until he lost and that JT is a fact. Oscar was saying he was in the best shape of his life, Angelo Dundee said Oscar looked great. Its not fair to Manny Pacquiao for people to act like Oscar was old and drained because he just wasnt. You have not once have given credit for Paquiao annialating Oscar. Speed is speed. DLH couldnt stop that left hand if he had all advantages down to glove type ect. God rest his soul but dont try to compare corrales with Pacquiao man honestly! Speed, chin, footwork, everything about Pacquiao is better. Im not saying Mayweather is a bad fighter, obviously he's not, I just dont think he's the best in the world right now, and I dont think he can beat Manny Pacquiao at the moment. I know I've said this a thousand times but the chances of Ricky Hatton beating Pacquiao are about 1 in a 100. Hatton cant hit whats not there, I dont care how much he pressures him. Once again when Manny and Floyd fight (and they will) I think mayweather will land some shots, just not as many as Pacman. In the end it boils down to Pacquiao's movement. Head goes side to side continually, bounces on both feet in and out. Mayweather has never fought someone that moves like Pacquiao and I think it will frustrate him the whole night!

Actually,there were a few pointing that out before the bell,namely Saddo Boxer who of course had Manny motives, but facts are facts.Don't think you were around then?

yea but before the fight, people were talking about the weight not being an issue because pacs speed and pac doesn't get involve in huggings. They were saying the height would be oscars real advantage, but oscar didn't really use his height advantage. I guess he had to keep himself tight cause pac was just getting in and out so fast. If oscar did stand tall and jab he may have kept the fighting boring but yet containing pac more.

Again...I could have cared less about that fight,was a mega farce Imo BUT point of fact is many people were speaking of the weight issues and Oscar over doing it.Dig up the Photo threads prior to the fight.Anyone with clear vision and a fair mind cannot deny one thing......Pac beat Oscars azz.....but to say that automatically translates into a clear victory over Mayweather in only Pacs 2nd journey above 135 dividion is premature fanboy think,not you of course Julius . Mayweather is one of the last fighters I look forward to seeing but dude has undeniable skills.

[bcollins]

we can make a list and I can add guys similar to the levels of gatti judah castillo corrales but yet you prolly haven't heard of them Floyd does not have more names then pac. Pac has nearly twice more fights then floyd and is younger, plus pac has fought atleast 4 hall of famers.

Pac beat MAB in his prime and a shot Morales 2x and a shot MAB in a absolute snoozefest got a draw against JMM and got a gift in their 2nd... THATS IT!!!!

so know unless you bring up those guys Floyd has the better resume

I wouldn't go so far as to call Morales shot by the second fight - the third, for sure, but he still had something in the tank for the second. Except for the scoring error, Pac would have won the first JMM fight, and the second was close enough to not be regarded as a gift decision (see Valuev-Holyfield). I understand it gets old fighting off the Pac nuthuggers, but those three names are also three future HoFer's. Nothing to blithely disregard.

[C-Lo]

pac only has good wins over MAB, Morales, and a very close win over JMM, and a drained Oscar. most dont even think he won the 2nd fight with JMM so that only leaves the Barrera and Morales wins.

what does floyd have? oscar and hatton? scratch oscar out pac already beat him far more convincing then floyd and pac is gunning for hatton. pac is a freak of nature the guy has gone up weight more then anybody and still carries his speed and power.

dont forget Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, etc floyd has more names than Pac does on his list so its no comparison. and are u aware that floyd is a 5 division champ and hasnt been beat nor how can pac beat floyd hmmmmm. u cant answer that cause its never been done FACT

Yes, Mayweather has better names, but between Morales, Barrera, and JMM, Pacquiao fought 7 fights. Add Oscar's name to that, and those are 4 fighters that are DEFINITELY going to be no-brainers to the hall of fame that Pac has fought and beaten. I don't think that can be said about Floyd's resume.

we can make a list and I can add guys similar to the levels of gatti judah castillo corrales but yet you prolly haven't heard of them Floyd does not have more names then pac. Pac has nearly twice more fights then floyd and is younger, plus pac has fought atleast 4 hall of famers.

Pac beat MAB in his prime and a shot Morales 2x and a shot MAB in a absolute snoozefest got a draw against JMM and got a gift in their 2nd... THATS IT!!!!

so know unless you bring up those guys Floyd has the better resume

I think the keywords are, "unless you bring up those guys." I think it can definitely be argued who has the better resume between Floyd and Manny but I think the reason I stated above would give Pac the nod.

[JT Rock]

we can make a list and I can add guys similar to the levels of gatti judah castillo corrales but yet you prolly haven't heard of them Floyd does not have more names then pac. Pac has nearly twice more fights then floyd and is younger, plus pac has fought atleast 4 hall of famers.

Pac beat MAB in his prime and a shot Morales 2x and a shot MAB in a absolute snoozefest got a draw against JMM and got a gift in their 2nd... THATS IT!!!!

so know unless you bring up those guys Floyd has the better resume

I wouldn't go so far as to call Morales shot by the second fight - the third, for sure, but he still had something in the tank for the second. Except for the scoring error, Pac would have won the first JMM fight, and the second was close enough to not be regarded as a gift decision (see Valuev-Holyfield). I understand it gets old fighting off the Pac nuthuggers, but those three names are also three future HoFer's. Nothing to blithely disregard.

I dont know man Erik didnt look like Eric the 2nd time around, I know there was a heck of a lot of people who gave JMM the nod in their 2nd fight including myself...

I thought the 1st MAB fight was a thing of beauty the way he dismantled him with ease and Im not even using the BS camp got burned out thing either.. Pac beat his ass fair and square nothing more, nothing less..

So as I dint mean to denigrate as much but Im echoing a vast majoritys sentiment as well

[Julius Rain]

Agreed. You call a black person "Monkey" and it's 100% racist. You call a black person that in my city and you'ld get KNFO.

which city is that?

Liverpool, England.

Though that term wouldn't go down well ANYWHERE in the UK.

You watch English football (Soccer to you guys) ? well the national England team played Spain a couple of years ago and one of our players who's black (Shaun Wright-Phillips) was on the end of monkey gestures and chants from the Spanish crowd. It caused outrage within the English press and Wright-Phillips was on the verge of leaving the field. We later took Spain to FIFA. Just not acceptable at all.

Sorry about going a bit off topic there...

thats fucked up, but soccer is crazy though. I've been to one exhibition match here in QUEST FIELD. PEOPLE are so ethnically proud they do tend to cross that racial tension border. you know what i mean?

Now Football has zero racial tension, its more of city tension. Like how I hate pittsburgh or however they spell it. They totally robbed us in the superbowl and yes I am still not ever that.

[leftylee]

which city is that?

Liverpool, England.

Though that term wouldn't go down well ANYWHERE in the UK.

You watch English football (Soccer to you guys) ? well the national England team played Spain a couple of years ago and one of our players who's black (Shaun Wright-Phillips) was on the end of monkey gestures and chants from the Spanish crowd. It caused outrage within the English press and Wright-Phillips was on the verge of leaving the field. We later took Spain to FIFA. Just not acceptable at all.

Sorry about going a bit off topic there...

thats fucked up, but soccer is crazy though. I've been to one exhibition match here in QUEST FIELD. PEOPLE are so ethnically proud they do tend to cross that racial tension border. you know what i mean?

Now Football has zero racial tension, its more of city tension. Like how I hate pittsburgh or however they spell it. They totally robbed us in the superbowl and yes I am still not ever that.

Yeah I know what you mean bro, check your PM by the way

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Pound for Pound Pacmans oppenets are better, theres nothing that will sway my mind on that. If Barrera is naturally same weight as all of floyds oppenets, he takes them out. Almost every fighter has that one guy thats nips at your heels, you could say JMM was Pacquiao's, but he never beat Manny Pacquiao. I wont ever take anything away from JMM, hes a great fighter. They were both close fights but Manny comes out on top for both. Look at Bernard hopkins. One of the greatest fighters of all time. But he had that one guy, Jermain taylor who nipped at his heals and he couldnt surpass him. Manny Pacquiao will be Mayweathers achilles heel, he's gonna be that one guy! The only way this will be settled is when the two of them mix it up, and I cant wait for that. I think it will be much bigger than Mayweather and DLH. As far as the DLH having all the advatages against Floyd, glove type and all that baby crap, thats mind games pure and simple. Roach did the same thing against Oscar, hovering over him when he was getting his hands taped. Thats mind games. Sugar ray leonard did the same thing to haggler. To try to use that as a crutch shows immaturity! Boxing is just as much mental as it is physical. Floyd may not act like it out of the ring but I can assure you that Manny is much more confident inside that ring, much looser. It takes a while for Mayweather to loosen up and get into a grove, and with Pacquiao's movement its gonna take longer than that!