+ Top 10 P4P from 135 and below +

[Taeth]

Alright with so many brilliant matchups coming up in the lower weight classes I started thinking how P4P list would look minus the bigger guys.

So with that in mind here's my list.

1. JMM
2. Izzy
3. Rafa
4. Calderon
5. Vic
6. Caballero
7. Nonito
8. Nate
9. Joan
10. Montiel

Honors: JuanMa, Solis, Hasegawa, Moreno, Mijares.


A few things.
- I refuse to list John until he fights someone else with credibility I refuse to accept any excuses. I also think JMM beat him in the fight.
- Nonito although he holds a win over Vic, Vic wasn't P4P when Nonito beat him so you cant use that as a reason.
- The 1st 6 were easy to list it was the last 4 that I had to really move around.

Why would Caballero be ahead of JML or Nonito? It isn't the fact that Vic wasn't p4p, its the fact that Nito outboxed him, then knocked him the fuck out that makes him way higher on there. Look what Juan Manuel Lopez did against Ponce de Leon, then look at Caballero's fight with him, enough said.

[SaltyBacon]

1. jmm
2. vasquez
3. calderon
4. montiel
5. rafa
6. solis
7. hasegawa
8. guzman
9. jml
10. juan diaz

[killersheep]

1. JMM
2. Izzy
3. Rafa
4. Calderon
5. Vic
6. Nate
7. Caballero
8. Nonito
9. Montiel
10. Hasegawa

Honorable mentions, Archi, Roman Gonzalez, JML, Linares, Guzman.

I had to drop Guzman, because I have to think if he goes in against anyone anymore he loses on the scales

[CutMeMick]

Why would Caballero be ahead of JML or Nonito?

When I made the list I looked at the careers all around.
Skills
Opposition
Titles
Wins vs. Loses (current)

Caballero has become a unified champ and holds 2 titles with his wins over Somsak, Parra & Molitor.

JML became a title holder beating DPLD. Since then he's fought Figueroa & Medina. Hardly world class caliber opponents compared to Caballeros opp.

Nonito well what can I say, I was cheering for him and I predicted he'd pick up the rest of the titles at Flyweight but what a disappointing 2008 that was after a spectacular win over Vic. His 2 opponents are better then JuanMa whic is why he's above him but not better then Caballeros.

It isn't the fact that Vic wasn't p4p, its the fact that Nito outboxed him, then knocked him the fuck out that makes him way higher on there.

I thought the fight was pretty even but Nonito was certainly shifting the momentum at times as the fight went on.
As I stated above Nonito hurts with the inactivity and the quality of opposition. Unless you feel his last 2 opponents have been better then Vics last 4 opponents? I just don't look at it as who beat who I look at other things also as noted above.

Look what Juan Manuel Lopez did against Ponce de Leon, then look at Caballero's fight with him, enough said.

Enough said...
Well OK, you sure told me.

JuanMa sparked out DPLD.
Caballero beat DPLD by points.
Again I just don't look at who beat who or how they beat them.
JuanMa holds a title, Caballero became the unified champ.
JuanMas last 2 opponents at best are C class fighters.
Caballero simply with Molitor outshines JuanMas last 2 opponents.
I think Caballero is a more well rounded skilled fighter then JuanMa hass shown us thus far.
JuanMa rinses and repeats the same combination. It's all he throws on the other hand Caballeros well rounded and has shown that throughout the years.

Maybe you and I compile lists with different things in mind.
Why don't you compile your list and we'll see how you determine the list should go?

Oh! and pump your breaks with you "Enough said" don't forget I can always break out your famous little comment about Alexis Arguello...
After that pretty much anything you say loses credibility.