Challenge to all.........

[ICB]

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

What you fail to realize in your seriously deluded mind, is that Manny Pacquiao was a teenager when he was fighting at weight class. His natural weight is round about 140+ now he's fully grown man.

What weight were you as a teenager ? and what do you weigh now ? i put on a good 20+ pounds when i started weight training at 17, im now 19 and im 167 pounds at the moment, i was just over 140 pounds when i was 16 i believe i was skinny at that time. Im 6'1 now where as i was about 5'11 or something like that at 16.

Its perfectly normal for Manny Pacquiao to now be fighting at 140+ pounds, he is a fully grown man and he has reached his peak weight wise. He's gradually been putting on weight over the years.

Floyd Mayweather Jr in the Amateur's when he was Manny Pacquiao's age, was about 105 pounds i believe or something close to it. And considering Floyd Mayweather Jr like Manny Pacquiao couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Floyd Mayweather was 149 pounds and Manny Pacquiao was 148 pounds, it means there isn't that much difference size wise between the two. And secondly Floyd Mayweather Jr fought ODLH at Jr Middleweight, after ODLH come off a very good performance against Ricardo Mayorga.

ODLH was seriously weight drained against Manny Pacquiao, because he only put on a pound after he rehydrated. And thats because he hasn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, so his body couldn't handle moving down that much in weight. Please do not insult this forum's intelligence by suggesting, Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr fought.

I think you better lay off the roids. You've become increasingly angry over the internet where it's safe to. In here you won't be able to release the rage in the physical form and the people you talk shit to can't smack the shit out of you for being loose.

Please your the one that said "I resort to name calling when i can't say anything" i reply to your comment with a good explanation now i get this rubbish ?

Thats the way i talk lump it or like it i speak my mind like this in real life aswell, and i couldn't give a shit what anyone thinks. Your a biased Joe Calzaghe fan end of theres other Joe Calzaghe fans here like Miles, who atleast can see sense and talk unbiased about Joe Calzaghe.

And i can debate with him just fine but your comments are just ridiculous, you honestly insulted my intelligence by telling me Joe Calzaghe is a more well rounded fighter than legends like Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez.

And you expect me not to respond by not telling you your talking out your ass ? and lastly i think your the one making excuses now you haven't responded to any of my posts, because you cannot counter them. Just like that other biased nut-hugger Ross, he always runs off and takes the cowards way out.

[Gandalf]

What you fail to realize in your seriously deluded mind, is that Manny Pacquiao was a teenager when he was fighting at weight class. His natural weight is round about 140+ now he's fully grown man.

What weight were you as a teenager ? and what do you weigh now ? i put on a good 20+ pounds when i started weight training at 17, im now 19 and im 167 pounds at the moment, i was just over 140 pounds when i was 16 i believe i was skinny at that time. Im 6'1 now where as i was about 5'11 or something like that at 16.

Its perfectly normal for Manny Pacquiao to now be fighting at 140+ pounds, he is a fully grown man and he has reached his peak weight wise. He's gradually been putting on weight over the years.

Floyd Mayweather Jr in the Amateur's when he was Manny Pacquiao's age, was about 105 pounds i believe or something close to it. And considering Floyd Mayweather Jr like Manny Pacquiao couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Floyd Mayweather was 149 pounds and Manny Pacquiao was 148 pounds, it means there isn't that much difference size wise between the two. And secondly Floyd Mayweather Jr fought ODLH at Jr Middleweight, after ODLH come off a very good performance against Ricardo Mayorga.

ODLH was seriously weight drained against Manny Pacquiao, because he only put on a pound after he rehydrated. And thats because he hasn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, so his body couldn't handle moving down that much in weight. Please do not insult this forum's intelligence by suggesting, Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr fought.

I think you better lay off the roids. You've become increasingly angry over the internet where it's safe to. In here you won't be able to release the rage in the physical form and the people you talk shit to can't smack the shit out of you for being loose.

Please your the one that said "I resort to name calling when i can't say anything" i reply to your comment with a good explanation now i get this rubbish ?

Thats the way i talk lump it or like it i speak my mind like this in real life aswell, and i couldn't give a shit what anyone thinks. Your a biased Joe Calzaghe fan end of theres other Joe Calzaghe fans here like Miles, who atleast can see sense and talk unbiased about Joe Calzaghe.

And i can debate with him just fine but your comments are just ridiculous, you honestly insulted my intelligence by telling me Joe Calzaghe is a more well rounded fighter than legends like Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez.

And you expect me not to respond by not telling you your talking out your ass ? and lastly i think your the one making excuses now you haven't responded to any of my posts, because you cannot counter them. Just like that other biased nut-hugger Ross, he always runs off and takes the cowards way out.

Ice, you are a very repected poster here but your attitude is a little eccentric. The first part in bold is an example of how your posting is being a bit excessive. You really should care what other people think because by listening to others you put your own views into perspective. Dismissing them just because their view is different doesnt make them wrong. Just as it doesnt make you right. Its a little blinkered.

The second highlighted part is again over the top. It is no doubt a challenge to your opinion. But that is all it is. An opinion. Just as theirs is just an opinion. Its about liking a sense of styles or of aesthetics even, but it isnt a crusade to make sure your point is the end point until the debate is over. People do not win debates in boxing....unless the fighters actually fight. We choose to agree or disagree or maybe even change our perspective a little. Usually its the former two.

Dont take this as an attack because other posters too have gone a bit mad on this thread (me included recently but on another thread ) and everyone needs to just chill out a little. And thanks for the kind words above. 90% of the time I do try to argue logically. Though I do have my slips, as we all do sometimes.

In conclusion, Joe Calzaghe is undoubtedly a living god.






























Joke...no attacks on me please!

[ross]

So now im a coward because I called you a twat and a wanker and didnt follow you outside to the, dum dum daah!!................Hidden board

Calzaghe would beat Mayweather, a fighter who just got stopped by a younger smaller man pushed Mayweather to a split decision.

Joe got pushed to a split by Hopkins trying his hardest not to fight, then Hopkins went on to piss all over the younger man Pavlik

Hopkins proved he was still very much world class and dangerous.

De La Hoya proved that he has nothing left and showed it when he didnt push Mayweather as he should have.

Joe would love Floyd rolling and leaning back on the ropes, he certainly wouldnt stand there flumoxed by his defence, hed throw his "pitty pat" punches and force Floyd to either move or fight because while hes covering, leaning and rolling, Joe is working and we know Joe can work at the highest tempo all night at 36!! If Joe and Mayweather were the same age and weight, Joe would be too much

[Gandalf]

So now im a coward because I called you a twat and a wanker and didnt follow you outside to the, dum dum daah!!................Hidden board

Calzaghe would beat Mayweather, a fighter who just got stopped by a younger smaller man pushed Mayweather to a split decision.

Joe got pushed to a split by Hopkins trying his hardest not to fight, then Hopkins went on to piss all over the younger man Pavlik

Hopkins proved he was still very much world class and dangerous.

De La Hoya proved that he has nothing left and showed it when he didnt push Mayweather as he should have.

Joe would love Floyd rolling and leaning back on the ropes, he certainly wouldnt stand there flumoxed by his defence, hed throw his "pitty pat" punches and force Floyd to either move or fight because while hes covering, leaning and rolling, Joe is working and we know Joe can work at the highest tempo all night at 36!! If Joe and Mayweather were the same age and weight, Joe would be too much

All just opinions. But these sound more likely to me than a lot of others.

[Taeth]

So now im a coward because I called you a twat and a wanker and didnt follow you outside to the, dum dum daah!!................Hidden board

Calzaghe would beat Mayweather, a fighter who just got stopped by a younger smaller man pushed Mayweather to a split decision.

Joe got pushed to a split by Hopkins trying his hardest not to fight, then Hopkins went on to piss all over the younger man Pavlik

Hopkins proved he was still very much world class and dangerous.

De La Hoya proved that he has nothing left and showed it when he didnt push Mayweather as he should have.

Joe would love Floyd rolling and leaning back on the ropes, he certainly wouldnt stand there flumoxed by his defence, hed throw his "pitty pat" punches and force Floyd to either move or fight because while hes covering, leaning and rolling, Joe is working and we know Joe can work at the highest tempo all night at 36!! If Joe and Mayweather were the same age and weight, Joe would be too much

All just opinions. But these sound more likely to me than a lot of others.

DId he see Calzaghe fight Jones or Hopkins or Kessler? Mayweather land his right hand at will, Calzaghe doesn't have a strong left cross which is the punch he would land on Floyd, and Floyd would walk Calzaghe down with his hands up, take Calzaghe punches of his guard like Jones did, but he would respond way quicker and more accurately and at this point with sharper punches. Mayweather would also go to the body against Calzaghe.

[ross]

Mayweather would also go to the body against Calzaghe.

Hed try

Mayweather would also have to fight!!

[ICB]

Mayweather would also go to the body against Calzaghe.

Hed try

Mayweather would also have to fight!!

He has why don't you try watching his fights against Phillip N'dou or Jesus Chavez.

[ICB]

So now im a coward because I called you a twat and a wanker and didnt follow you outside to the, dum dum daah!!................Hidden board

Calzaghe would beat Mayweather, a fighter who just got stopped by a younger smaller man pushed Mayweather to a split decision.

Joe got pushed to a split by Hopkins trying his hardest not to fight, then Hopkins went on to piss all over the younger man Pavlik

Hopkins proved he was still very much world class and dangerous.

De La Hoya proved that he has nothing left and showed it when he didnt push Mayweather as he should have.

Joe would love Floyd rolling and leaning back on the ropes, he certainly wouldnt stand there flumoxed by his defence, hed throw his "pitty pat" punches and force Floyd to either move or fight because while hes covering, leaning and rolling, Joe is working and we know Joe can work at the highest tempo all night at 36!! If Joe and Mayweather were the same age and weight, Joe would be too much

No your a coward because you always mostly run from a debate, or whenever someone counters your biased posts which i will gladly do now. Firstly how many times do i have to tell you ? that wasn't Floyd Mayweather's best weight his best weight was Super Featherweight.

And Manny Pacquiao didn't fight the same version of ODLH. Which i already explained to BX about ODLH fought Manny Pacquiao at Welterweight, ODLH hasn't fought there in years, and when he rehydrated he only put on 1 pound.

Which means he didn't belong at that weight class and he was seriously weight drained. And i already explained about Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao almost being the same size, read the post i replied to BX with.

And if you honestly think the Floyd Mayweather/ODLH was a SD, then you need to learn how to score a fight. That was a comfortable 3 or 4 point victory for Floyd Mayweather. ODLH hardly landed a flush punch all night long.

Whatever excuse you make Joe Calzaghe got pushed to his limit by Bernard Hopkins, because Bernard Hopkins fought a counter puncher fight and he also used good movement.

A prime Floyd Mayweather Jr at Super Featherweight is far better than the Bernard Hopkins who fought Joe Calzaghe. And he has all the attributes to give Joe Calzaghe problems.

He has good movement he is a superb counter puncher, his defense is 2nd to none and he had power at Super Featherweight. Floyd Mayweather in his prime never used to lay on the ropes.

And i haven't seen Floyd Mayweather lay on the ropes that much, only against ODLH at a weightclass he isn't comfortable at. And against Ricky Hatton but that was the right tactic to use against Ricky Hatton.

We have no idea what Floyd Mayweather will be like at 36. So its stupid to speculate that but what we do know is that. Floyd Mayweather is a better all round fighter than Joe Calzaghe. And at Super Featherweight P4P when he was lightning fast and had power, i personally believe he would beat Joe Calzaghe handily.

[Trainer Monkey]

You know what grinds my gears about Calzeghe?
His fans
Face it,he lost to Hopkins,Kessler was hurt,and Jones is completely shot
Was he a great fighter,you betcha
But face facts,Warren protected him like the Hope Diamond

[ICB]

I think you better lay off the roids. You've become increasingly angry over the internet where it's safe to. In here you won't be able to release the rage in the physical form and the people you talk shit to can't smack the shit out of you for being loose.

Please your the one that said "I resort to name calling when i can't say anything" i reply to your comment with a good explanation now i get this rubbish ?

Thats the way i talk lump it or like it i speak my mind like this in real life aswell, and i couldn't give a shit what anyone thinks. Your a biased Joe Calzaghe fan end of theres other Joe Calzaghe fans here like Miles, who atleast can see sense and talk unbiased about Joe Calzaghe.

And i can debate with him just fine but your comments are just ridiculous, you honestly insulted my intelligence by telling me Joe Calzaghe is a more well rounded fighter than legends like Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez.

And you expect me not to respond by not telling you your talking out your ass ? and lastly i think your the one making excuses now you haven't responded to any of my posts, because you cannot counter them. Just like that other biased nut-hugger Ross, he always runs off and takes the cowards way out.

Ice, you are a very repected poster here but your attitude is a little eccentric. The first part in bold is an example of how your posting is being a bit excessive. You really should care what other people think because by listening to others you put your own views into perspective. Dismissing them just because their view is different doesnt make them wrong. Just as it doesnt make you right. Its a little blinkered.

The second highlighted part is again over the top. It is no doubt a challenge to your opinion. But that is all it is. An opinion. Just as theirs is just an opinion. Its about liking a sense of styles or of aesthetics even, but it isnt a crusade to make sure your point is the end point until the debate is over. People do not win debates in boxing....unless the fighters actually fight. We choose to agree or disagree or maybe even change our perspective a little. Usually its the former two.

Dont take this as an attack because other posters too have gone a bit mad on this thread (me included recently but on another thread ) and everyone needs to just chill out a little. And thanks for the kind words above. 90% of the time I do try to argue logically. Though I do have my slips, as we all do sometimes.

In conclusion, Joe Calzaghe is undoubtedly a living god.






























Joke...no attacks on me please!

Sorry Miles but i do normally listen to people's opinions, but that isn't an opinion thats just nut-hugging. BX is known as a Joe Calzaghe nut-hugger.

How anyone in there right mind can say Joe Calzaghe is a better all rounder fighter than Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez, is absurd and that is a fact.

And thats insulting my intelligence someone who has got Pernell Whitaker's career set, and Joe Calzaghe's career set aswell as seeing over 10+ Ricardo Lopez fights.

And anyone who has seen enough footage of all 3 fighters it would be insulting there intelligence aswell.

And to have the cheek to try and insinuate Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr is taking this forum's opinion as joke. And that just shows you he will say anything to put down Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I may question some of Joe Calzaghe's opposition at times but i also give him credit. I think he is a very good fighter but to me he falls short of the X-Factor, fighters like Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, ETC. Have all got that X-Factor when i watch them but Joe Calzaghe hasn't to me. But thats just my opinion and im not saying its right.

But im sick of some people on this forum saying im a Joe Calzaghe hater, when i give him credit just because im not a fan doesn't make me a hater. He's done very well to keep at a very high level i have to say i am a bit disappointed he retired.

After beating a very shot Roy Jones Jr i would have liked him to finish off his career. By beating Bernard Hopkins without controversy or beat two young upcoming fighters like Chad Dawson, Carl Froch, ETC.

I think he's been unlucky he was in a weak Super Middleweight era, but i still feel he could of done something about it by moving up in weight much earlier. Overall he's 46-0 and you can't argue with that but i just can't help get the feeling, that for alot of his career he wasted his talent.

[Gandalf]

Please your the one that said "I resort to name calling when i can't say anything" i reply to your comment with a good explanation now i get this rubbish ?

Thats the way i talk lump it or like it i speak my mind like this in real life aswell, and i couldn't give a shit what anyone thinks. Your a biased Joe Calzaghe fan end of theres other Joe Calzaghe fans here like Miles, who atleast can see sense and talk unbiased about Joe Calzaghe.

And i can debate with him just fine but your comments are just ridiculous, you honestly insulted my intelligence by telling me Joe Calzaghe is a more well rounded fighter than legends like Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez.

And you expect me not to respond by not telling you your talking out your ass ? and lastly i think your the one making excuses now you haven't responded to any of my posts, because you cannot counter them. Just like that other biased nut-hugger Ross, he always runs off and takes the cowards way out.

Ice, you are a very repected poster here but your attitude is a little eccentric. The first part in bold is an example of how your posting is being a bit excessive. You really should care what other people think because by listening to others you put your own views into perspective. Dismissing them just because their view is different doesnt make them wrong. Just as it doesnt make you right. Its a little blinkered.

The second highlighted part is again over the top. It is no doubt a challenge to your opinion. But that is all it is. An opinion. Just as theirs is just an opinion. Its about liking a sense of styles or of aesthetics even, but it isnt a crusade to make sure your point is the end point until the debate is over. People do not win debates in boxing....unless the fighters actually fight. We choose to agree or disagree or maybe even change our perspective a little. Usually its the former two.

Dont take this as an attack because other posters too have gone a bit mad on this thread (me included recently but on another thread ) and everyone needs to just chill out a little. And thanks for the kind words above. 90% of the time I do try to argue logically. Though I do have my slips, as we all do sometimes.

In conclusion, Joe Calzaghe is undoubtedly a living god.






























Joke...no attacks on me please!

Sorry Miles but i do normally listen to people's opinions, but that isn't an opinion thats just nut-hugging. BX is known as a Joe Calzaghe nut-hugger.

How anyone in there right mind can say Joe Calzaghe is a better all rounder fighter than Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez, is absurd and that is a fact.

And thats insulting my intelligence someone who has got Pernell Whitaker's career set, and Joe Calzaghe's career set aswell as seeing over 10+ Ricardo Lopez fights.

And anyone who has seen enough footage of all 3 fighters it would be insulting there intelligence aswell.

And to have the cheek to try and insinuate Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH than Floyd Mayweather Jr is taking this forum as joke. And that just shows you he will say anything to put down Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I may question some of Joe Calzaghe's opposition at times but i also give him credit. I think he is a very good fighter but to me he falls short of the X-Factor, like Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, ETC. Have all got but thats just my opinion and im not saying its right.

But im sick of some people on this forum saying im a Joe Calzaghe hater, when i give him credit just because im not a fan doesn't make me a hater. He's done very well to keep at a very high level i have to say im a bit disappointed he retired.

After beating a very shot Roy Jones Jr i would have liked him to finish off his career. By beating Bernard Hopkins without controversy or beat two young upcoming fighters like Chad Dawson, Carl Froch, ETC.

I think he's been unlucky he was in a weak Super Middleweight era, but i still feel he could of done something about it by moving up in weight much earlier. Overall he's 46-0 you can't argue with that but i just can't help get the feeling, that for alot of his career he wasted his talent.

In the first highlighted part you lose all sense of reasoning. It is not a fact.

In the second part you admit that it boils down to personal opinion. Again, it is obviously not a fact.

And as for beating Froch or Dawson, I think Joe could beat them easily. But for how long should he continue? Until he loses a step and someone does actually beat him? Just so you might then be able to twist the logic to your opinion and say "there you go, he wasnt that good was he".

Calzaghe is a great fighter and he has just called it a day. Any gentleman would give him his props at this time instead of trying to argue how he isnt so great. You should show a little class and leave the attacks for later. Respectfully, miles.

[CFH]

This thread is epic.

Calzaghe was a great fighter who is always going to have questions surrounding his resume. Regardless of the reasons behind it, there will be those questions.

I'm inclined to believe, as others have mentioned, that is was more a case of being around at the wrong time rather than a case of him ducking serious opposition. The Lacy, Kessler, and Hopkins fights are all very good wins. Admittedly, the Lacy fight doesn't look nearly as impressive in retrospect, but it's every bit as easy to argue that Calzaghe ruined Lacy as it is to say that he was simply overrated; I also feel that Hopkins beat him, but it was a close fight that could have gone either way, and that is impressive by itself.

I do find it funny that people are using Mayweather/Calzaghe to discredit the other fighter. In my opinion, Mayweather has the far superior resume and has fought much better opposition over numerous weight classes. That's not to say that he's a better fighter per se, just that's he has proven more in my eyes. Calzaghe was a great fighter, no doubt, but people are always going to argue about just how good he was.

Ok, I'm off to send Ross some neg rep now.

[OumaFan]

I skipped the first six pages of this thread and from the looks of it probably didn't miss anything

Back to the other boards asap

[ross]

Ok, I'm off to send Ross some neg rep now.

Ha ha ha whatever makes you happy

Neg Rep and sad clicks, pfffffffffff, they mean nothing to me, just easier for kids to do rather than argue or debate, the rep comments I get I love, alot of people do agree with me and find me funny, especially when I called ICB a twat

Calzaghe still makes Floyd look pedestrian, Floyd hasnt got one win that matches the importance of Joe beating Kessler

[CFH]

Ok, I'm off to send Ross some neg rep now.

Ha ha ha whatever makes you happy

Neg Rep and sad clicks, pfffffffffff, they mean nothing to me, just easier for kids to do rather than argue or debate, the rep comments I get I love, alot of people do agree with me and find me funny, especially when I called ICB a twat

Calzaghe still makes Floyd look pedestrian, Floyd hasnt got one win that matches the importance of Joe beating Kessler

Sure thing.

As for not arguing/debating, I posted my opinions on the subject in the same post you quoted.