Quote Originally Posted by Mr140 View Post
Well you can also say that the talent was not queite there for him to grab at the right time and it is all not his fault i mean come on cant put the blame on him for Roy and Hopkins are hard to land a deal with also i not saying Barrea was shot but was not prime and for Morles was on the slide coming off the loses i never said they were shot i think Oscar Dela Hoya was done and if you want to agrue that then i dont know what to say to you because i just have to disagree as for Bernard he has been in the top 10 pound for pound for 10 years now if you look at the lists and just came off a career high win over the top middle weight champion that win Calzaghe got over him was equal with Barrea or Marquez then there was Lacy win wich was like a on the same level as Pac win over the light weight title guy forget his name but far form great as well then Kessler win comes into play which is like the Morles win also something Calzaghe can say he has never lost which not many people can say not saying who is better i just saying that there not that far apart form what i see.
Wrong, joes win over kessler is not equal to pacs k.o wins over eric.

Wrong, Bhop was on and off the p4p list, made it back in after the tarver win.

Wrong, Pacs win over mab and jmm is far above any joes win. Mab was top 3 p4p at the time (#1Roy,#2Oscar,#3Mab) and JMM was top 3 as well(#1Pac,#2Joe,#3JMM) some may even argue JMM was above joe p4p.

No you can't really put the blame on him for roy and bhop years ago, but you can say why the hell didn't he fight at bigger stage. He is already regarded as a GOD in his country but he and his fans what him to be remember as a Great by the world. How can the world consider him such an honor if he hardly fought worldwide or atleast at bigger stage in the U.S.A were real competition are held. end of discussion.