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I'm not sure I totally understand your point about Ring p4p bias toward american based fighters, but...

Is the reason the Ring P4P top ten is mostly comprised of fighters who have connections to the US because the most competitive fights are made in the US?

Chris John should be right outside of the top ten p4p. Who has Chris John fought and beat that you would rank in the top ten featherweights since his victory over Marquez?

Kessler should be outside the top ten too. Note that he is ranked #1 in their super middleweight rankings. He is not p4p because he hasn't fought a top ten super-middleweight since losing to Calzaghe.

I've never heard of the other fighter you mentioned.

Erdei is another example for you. Who has Erdei recently fought at 175 that is in your top ten light heavyweights?

Contrast the John, Kessler, and Erdei examples with other fighters at their weights who are ranked in the top ten. Does their competition match up? Maybe it does. You tell me. At 168-175, pre-retirement, Calzaghe fought and beat Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr., and Mikkel Kessler. At the same weight, Bernard Hopkins lost in a close fight to #2 p4p Joe Calzaghe and beat #6 p4p Middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik, and before that beat Winky Wright. Marquez, since losing to John, has fought Pacquiao the p4p #1, gone up in weight to fight former top ten p4p Casamayor, Barrera, Jaurez etc.


Do you have other examples of fighters at similar weight classes to the current top ten p4p that deserve to be more?
I think you are right - most big fights happen in the US, especially in the glamour/popular divisions, so understandably have a bearing on P4P.

But i'm wondering whether these long reigning champions, that fight outside of America, would be P4P had they an affiliation with the States? Maybe not. Maybe it's just about big/glamourous fights?

As for Chris John.. he has beaten Jose Rojas since "beating" Marquez. Rojas has a KO win over current P4P no.10 Celestino Caballero. What rates Caballero above John? He entered after beating a non-P4P fighter Steve Molitor.

Do you think Abraham will be made P4P if he beats Pavlik? Pavlik was made P4P after beating Taylor although Taylor wasn't P4P. And Abraham's record is arguably better than Pavliks (without the Taylor win If that makes sense).

How about if Froch beats Taylor? Will that make him P4P?
As to John, does he have any other quality wins besides Rojas? Was Rojas even ranked in the top ten for featherweights when he beat him? Molitor was in the featherweight top ten.

Unless I'm mistaken, your questions about Froch and Abraham don't directly follow your point because Froch will fight Taylor (an American) in the United States. Thus, he'll be another American-connected fighter if he ends up on the p4p list. Maybe he should break the top ten with a win over Taylor or at least get very close. Should Taylor break the top ten with a win over Froch?

Yes, Abraham will be p4p if he beats Pavlik, but again, the fight will be in the US and Pavlik is an American. Thus, he'll be another American-connected fighter who is on the p4p list.

A better question would be whether Sturm ever should be considered a p4p fighter if he never again fights in the US and like Erdei is content to fight German fighters. Does beating the Ghevor's and the Demers' of the world propel you into the top ten p4p?