gary shaw acting like a baby!

[XaduBoxer]

More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.

You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...

It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire...
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Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!

U proved nothing their. You think i know little about fighters yet u clearly know nothing about any fighters but Pac and other Philipinos. Bet u felt good cos your cluless Flip mates patted u on the back.

Point is my whole argument is that Vic is higher uo the boxing ladder now and Nonito has done Jack since the Vic fight. That is true.

Of course Donaire fought in the Philippines 2 times but it does not necessarily agree to your statement that he's wasting his time fighting bums in the Philippines because all of his 21 fights were in the USA except for these 2 fights. Now you belittle his next fight in the Philippines on March 22. Donaire will be fighting a decent opponent in Raul "The Cobra" Martinez. It's a big card, just look at the undercard, an IBF light flyweight title fight between champ Ulises Solis vs. Brian Viloria. To compare, when was the last time a Darchinyan main event has an undercard title fight?

So don't say Nonito Donaire is a no name because Donaire made a name by letting Darchinyan kiss the canvass. Try to ask boxing fans these questions:

- Who knockout Vic Darchinyan?
- Who won the 2007 KO of the year?
- Who's Vic Darchinyan's daddy?

And don't drop that "you only know PAC and other Filipino boxers" line. Look at the threads here, look at who's talking about Caballero and McEwan. These boxers are not Filipinos.

Lastly don't be too proud of Darchinyan calling out the little big guys... Darchi even called out Manny Pacquiao. Isn't it that Darchi is overacting?? That Darchi is insane calling out Pacquiao??
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[Rotten Apple]

Shaw shouldn't stand in the way of a rematch. But I do see where he's coming from. He pretty much made Donaire. Got him the big fight against Darchinyan. And convinced Show Time to televise his fight with Luis Maldonado when it wasn't going to. Only to watch Donaire convince himself he's a superstar and thinking he was owed everything. Donaire demands were the reason Donaire sat on the sidelines as much his he did. Shaw did his best to try and accommodate Donaire and his outrageous demands. Only to watch him stab him in the back and jump ship. Disloyaity at it's lowest.

I remember. Donaire-Maldonado wasn't going to be shown. They were only going to show Tarver's fight and I think Wright's fight. But Shaw convinced ST to make it a triple header. Donaire attitude did seem to change after the Vic fight. And not for the better. I can see why Shaw is upset. But he should not stand in the way of a rematch with Vic.

[Galaxy]

What a lot of Donaire supporters are forgetting is that before Darchinyan starched Mijares all the talk was about a potential Mijares/ Montiel fight, now that Vic has laid waste to Mijares all that attention has shifted to a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight which has the potential to be a great fight!!!

I want to see a Donaire rematch but its not concievable that its is as big or as attractive or as important as a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight is at this time!

A fight between Darchinyan/ Montielk will crown a Ring Jr Bantam champion. Its a fight between the #1 & #2 fighters in the division & between the 2 they have pretty much cleaned up the division, so a fight between the 2 is a no brainer to be next!

Now if Donaire can even get past Martinez (lets face it: he looked like sh*t against Mithalane) then maybe we can talk about a rematch. But by that time Darchinyan may have moved on to more lucrative bout with the likes of Vasquez or Marquez.

Those that think Darchinyan is ducking Donaire are seriously deluding themselves as I think Vic has proved he will fight anyone! Just because he is deciding to take on higher profile, just as difficult if not moreso than Donaire only means he is trying to increase his star potential & earning potential!

[XaduBoxer]

What a lot of Donaire supporters are forgetting is that before Darchinyan starched Mijares all the talk was about a potential Mijares/ Montiel fight, now that Vic has laid waste to Mijares all that attention has shifted to a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight which has the potential to be a great fight!!!

I want to see a Donaire rematch but its not concievable that its is as big or as attractive or as important as a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight is at this time!

A fight between Darchinyan/ Montielk will crown a Ring Jr Bantam champion. Its a fight between the #1 & #2 fighters in the division & between the 2 they have pretty much cleaned up the division, so a fight between the 2 is a no brainer to be next!

Now if Donaire can even get past Martinez (lets face it: he looked like sh*t against Mithalane) then maybe we can talk about a rematch. But by that time Darchinyan may have moved on to more lucrative bout with the likes of Vasquez or Marquez.

Those that think Darchinyan is ducking Donaire are seriously deluding themselves as I think Vic has proved he will fight anyone! Just because he is deciding to take on higher profile, just as difficult if not moreso than Donaire only means he is trying to increase his star potential & earning potential!

I can't forget that Darchi mauled Mijares for I predicted it correctly that Darchi will defeat Mijares... One of the very few who predicted a Darchi win...

Darchi vs. Montiel will be a good fight but Montiel is already moving to bantamweight and will be fighting for the interim WBO bantamweight title against Eric Morel. A temporary vacancy was created when bantamweight champ Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa is scheduled to challenge WBO super bantam champ JuanMa Lopez.

As for Mthalane, I consider him a very good boxer... Even Darchinyan might have problems breaking down his tight guards and evading his power counters.

Darchi is still very far from a Vazquez or Rafa fight. I think he will still have at least one fight at bantamweight before landing in those fights.

We didn't say that Darchinyan is ducking Donaire... It's Gary Shaw who is avoiding to make a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight and since Shaw is part of Team Darchinyan then I think it's correct to say, Team Darchinyan is ducking Nonito Donaire...
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[Galaxy]

What a lot of Donaire supporters are forgetting is that before Darchinyan starched Mijares all the talk was about a potential Mijares/ Montiel fight, now that Vic has laid waste to Mijares all that attention has shifted to a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight which has the potential to be a great fight!!!

I want to see a Donaire rematch but its not concievable that its is as big or as attractive or as important as a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight is at this time!

A fight between Darchinyan/ Montielk will crown a Ring Jr Bantam champion. Its a fight between the #1 & #2 fighters in the division & between the 2 they have pretty much cleaned up the division, so a fight between the 2 is a no brainer to be next!

Now if Donaire can even get past Martinez (lets face it: he looked like sh*t against Mithalane) then maybe we can talk about a rematch. But by that time Darchinyan may have moved on to more lucrative bout with the likes of Vasquez or Marquez.

Those that think Darchinyan is ducking Donaire are seriously deluding themselves as I think Vic has proved he will fight anyone! Just because he is deciding to take on higher profile, just as difficult if not moreso than Donaire only means he is trying to increase his star potential & earning potential!

I can't forget that Darchi mauled Mijares for I predicted it correctly that Darchi will defeat Mijares... One of the very few who predicted a Darchi win...

Darchi vs. Montiel will be a good fight but Montiel is already moving to bantamweight and will be fighting for the interim WBO bantamweight title against Eric Morel. A temporary vacancy was created when bantamweight champ Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa is scheduled to challenge WBO super bantam champ JuanMa Lopez.

As for Mthalane, I consider him a very good boxer... Even Darchinyan might have problems breaking down his tight guards and evading his power counters.

Darchi is still very far from a Vazquez or Rafa fight. I think he will still have at least one fight at bantamweight before landing in those fights.

We didn't say that Darchinyan is ducking Donaire... It's Gary Shaw who is avoiding to make a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight and since Shaw is part of Team Darchinyan then I think it's correct to say, Team Darchinyan is ducking Nonito Donaire...
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It doesn't look like Montiel is fighting Morel now anyway, plus he has been 118 before (when he fought Gonzalez) & moved back down so I see now reason he wouldn't do the same again for a mega fight with Darchinyan.

I think Donaire supporters should worry about the upcoming Martinez bout as there is a good chance imo that he get beaten.

As for Mithalane I don't think he's that good, maybe it was the layoff that effected Donaire or his personal issues at the time.

You have to think about it logically, I can see where Shaw is coming from & if it was me I'd be upset too & wouldn't want someone who had betrayed me to make money from me & I think you'd be the same!!!

[XaduBoxer]

What a lot of Donaire supporters are forgetting is that before Darchinyan starched Mijares all the talk was about a potential Mijares/ Montiel fight, now that Vic has laid waste to Mijares all that attention has shifted to a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight which has the potential to be a great fight!!!

I want to see a Donaire rematch but its not concievable that its is as big or as attractive or as important as a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight is at this time!

A fight between Darchinyan/ Montielk will crown a Ring Jr Bantam champion. Its a fight between the #1 & #2 fighters in the division & between the 2 they have pretty much cleaned up the division, so a fight between the 2 is a no brainer to be next!

Now if Donaire can even get past Martinez (lets face it: he looked like sh*t against Mithalane) then maybe we can talk about a rematch. But by that time Darchinyan may have moved on to more lucrative bout with the likes of Vasquez or Marquez.

Those that think Darchinyan is ducking Donaire are seriously deluding themselves as I think Vic has proved he will fight anyone! Just because he is deciding to take on higher profile, just as difficult if not moreso than Donaire only means he is trying to increase his star potential & earning potential!

I can't forget that Darchi mauled Mijares for I predicted it correctly that Darchi will defeat Mijares... One of the very few who predicted a Darchi win...

Darchi vs. Montiel will be a good fight but Montiel is already moving to bantamweight and will be fighting for the interim WBO bantamweight title against Eric Morel. A temporary vacancy was created when bantamweight champ Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa is scheduled to challenge WBO super bantam champ JuanMa Lopez.

As for Mthalane, I consider him a very good boxer... Even Darchinyan might have problems breaking down his tight guards and evading his power counters.

Darchi is still very far from a Vazquez or Rafa fight. I think he will still have at least one fight at bantamweight before landing in those fights.

We didn't say that Darchinyan is ducking Donaire... It's Gary Shaw who is avoiding to make a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight and since Shaw is part of Team Darchinyan then I think it's correct to say, Team Darchinyan is ducking Nonito Donaire...
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It doesn't look like Montiel is fighting Morel now anyway, plus he has been 118 before (when he fought Gonzalez) & moved back down so I see now reason he wouldn't do the same again for a mega fight with Darchinyan.

I think Donaire supporters should worry about the upcoming Martinez bout as there is a good chance imo that he get beaten.

As for Mithalane I don't think he's that good, maybe it was the layoff that effected Donaire or his personal issues at the time.

You have to think about it logically, I can see where Shaw is coming from & if it was me I'd be upset too & wouldn't want someone who had betrayed me to make money from me & I think you'd be the same!!!

Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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[antimoron]

I can't forget that Darchi mauled Mijares for I predicted it correctly that Darchi will defeat Mijares... One of the very few who predicted a Darchi win...

Darchi vs. Montiel will be a good fight but Montiel is already moving to bantamweight and will be fighting for the interim WBO bantamweight title against Eric Morel. A temporary vacancy was created when bantamweight champ Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa is scheduled to challenge WBO super bantam champ JuanMa Lopez.

As for Mthalane, I consider him a very good boxer... Even Darchinyan might have problems breaking down his tight guards and evading his power counters.

Darchi is still very far from a Vazquez or Rafa fight. I think he will still have at least one fight at bantamweight before landing in those fights.

We didn't say that Darchinyan is ducking Donaire... It's Gary Shaw who is avoiding to make a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight and since Shaw is part of Team Darchinyan then I think it's correct to say, Team Darchinyan is ducking Nonito Donaire...
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It doesn't look like Montiel is fighting Morel now anyway, plus he has been 118 before (when he fought Gonzalez) & moved back down so I see now reason he wouldn't do the same again for a mega fight with Darchinyan.

I think Donaire supporters should worry about the upcoming Martinez bout as there is a good chance imo that he get beaten.

As for Mithalane I don't think he's that good, maybe it was the layoff that effected Donaire or his personal issues at the time.

You have to think about it logically, I can see where Shaw is coming from & if it was me I'd be upset too & wouldn't want someone who had betrayed me to make money from me & I think you'd be the same!!!

Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..

[Galaxy]

It doesn't look like Montiel is fighting Morel now anyway, plus he has been 118 before (when he fought Gonzalez) & moved back down so I see now reason he wouldn't do the same again for a mega fight with Darchinyan.

I think Donaire supporters should worry about the upcoming Martinez bout as there is a good chance imo that he get beaten.

As for Mithalane I don't think he's that good, maybe it was the layoff that effected Donaire or his personal issues at the time.

You have to think about it logically, I can see where Shaw is coming from & if it was me I'd be upset too & wouldn't want someone who had betrayed me to make money from me & I think you'd be the same!!!

Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..

Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?

Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.

[antimoron]

Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..

Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?

Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.

That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?

[Violent Demise]

Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.

[XaduBoxer]

Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..

Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?

Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.

What Shaw is doing involves boxing politics... We hate boxing politics interfering with the fight we, fans wanted to happen... Boxing politics is not good to our sport...
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[XaduBoxer]

Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.

I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...

Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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[Violent Demise]

Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.

I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...

Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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Eagle's a good poster. I'm sure it's more to do with the fact that maybe he hasn't seen enough of Martinez to really speak on him.

He's right in the fact that it's not a high profile fight. But it's a good fight

[Galaxy]

yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..

Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?

Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.

That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?

No I don't think Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 makes sense... at this time! Darchinyan/ Montiel is the better & bigger fight to make!!!

As VD has stated... if they keep winning then sure it will hopefully come to fruitition but Donaire 1st has to make it past Martinez & hopefully Darchinyan & Montiel can get together.

At the moment theres no reason to see Donaire ahead of Montiel because Donaire has done nothing at 115, whereas Darchinyan & Montiel have basically cleaned out the division between them so their fight makes the most sense, plus it will crown a true Ring champion at the weight! After that fight I would definitely be interested in seeing the rematch before Vic starts looking to higher weights...

[Violent Demise]

yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..

Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?

Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.

That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?

Disloyalty from ungrateful fighters ain't exactly helping the sport either.