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    Default Re: best weigh to lose weight quickly and safely

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Some may say it's not safe, but The Cambidge Diet is a great way to lose Weight & Fat very quickly whilst protecting valuable muscle tissue. You will gain the weight back though unless you are VERY careful.
    I fail to see how you can lose fat very quickly whilst protecting muscle tissue. The only way to lose weight very quickly would likely be from seriously dropping calories.....which would result in a severe drop of carbohydrate. The weight loss is likely to be glycogen and water - hence the big drop in bodyweight after only a few days on the diet.

    Muscle would obviously be spared due to the lack of carbohydrate.

    Unless anybody can enlighten me, i fail to see how these sort of diets preserve muscle tissue. Anyone?

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    Default Re: best weigh to lose weight quickly and safely

    all I remember learning is you lose water, muscle then fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    all I remember learning is you lose water, muscle then fat.
    Correct me if I'm wrong brother but I always thought that fat was the first thing you lost since that's our body's excess stored energy, so when you lose weight that's the first thing the body decides to burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Boxer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    all I remember learning is you lose water, muscle then fat.
    Correct me if I'm wrong brother but I always thought that fat was the first thing you lost since that's our body's excess stored energy, so when you lose weight that's the first thing the body decides to burn.
    Not from what I've always been taught. Essentially fat is your guarantee in case of famine so your body doesn't want to lose it until it has to.

    Which is why so many people who yo-yo diet end up fatter than when they started, they've lost muscle/muscle burns calories, they've also slowed they metabolic rate by starving, as soon they start eating 'normally' you body goes great! Famine over, lets store fat incase there's another one.

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    1 hour (speed 7) on StairMaster will kick your butt.

    You will lose a thousand calories and 3 lbs instantly (depends on your current weigh). It's favorite gym machine.

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    Id say drop some calories but make sure what your eating is good for you. Id say it would work better with a low calorie high protein diet. Add in some cardio EVERYDAY! Interval training is best as apparently it stops the body from going catabolic and diminishing muscle. Add in some amino acids to help maintain muscle and you should lose fat, weight and still keep muscle. But i could be wrong, just my thoughts.
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    Default Re: best weigh to lose weight quickly and safely

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Boxer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    all I remember learning is you lose water, muscle then fat.
    Correct me if I'm wrong brother but I always thought that fat was the first thing you lost since that's our body's excess stored energy, so when you lose weight that's the first thing the body decides to burn.
    You are corrected.. He's right. It doesn't sound right at first, but you have to remember that your body uses what is readily available. The water comes and goes, the muscle and carbs get depleted, then you can begin to hit up that stored energy. Fat cells get used as energy, the good news about muscle is, it grows back when you work it/lose it with rest.

    Quickly is just not the best way to think about losing weight. Nutritionists say losing more than 1lb of body fat a week is dangerous.
    "Floyd needs to inject Xylocaine into his balls to gain the courage to fight Pacquiao."

    - and I quote from some random guy on the internet

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyFolds View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Boxer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    all I remember learning is you lose water, muscle then fat.
    Correct me if I'm wrong brother but I always thought that fat was the first thing you lost since that's our body's excess stored energy, so when you lose weight that's the first thing the body decides to burn.
    You are corrected.. He's right. It doesn't sound right at first, but you have to remember that your body uses what is readily available. The water comes and goes, the muscle and carbs get depleted, then you can begin to hit up that stored energy. Fat cells get used as energy, the good news about muscle is, it grows back when you work it/lose it with rest.

    Quickly is just not the best way to think about losing weight. Nutritionists say losing more than 1lb of body fat a week is dangerous.
    Not really bro, you probably are thinking more than 1 kg, i've trained with professional bodybuilders and nutritionists, I'm more than positive it is 1kg, rather than pound.

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    Work out, snack regularly in small amounts with small/good calorie intake (don't eat a doughnut for a snack, try fruit or granola or salad), and drink more water

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    Default Re: best weigh to lose weight quickly and safely

    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Some may say it's not safe, but The Cambidge Diet is a great way to lose Weight & Fat very quickly whilst protecting valuable muscle tissue. You will gain the weight back though unless you are VERY careful.
    I fail to see how you can lose fat very quickly whilst protecting muscle tissue. The only way to lose weight very quickly would likely be from seriously dropping calories.....which would result in a severe drop of carbohydrate. The weight loss is likely to be glycogen and water - hence the big drop in bodyweight after only a few days on the diet.

    Muscle would obviously be spared due to the lack of carbohydrate.

    Unless anybody can enlighten me, i fail to see how these sort of diets preserve muscle tissue. Anyone?

    Ketosis is another name for the "fat burning" process. When you start a VLCD (very low calorie diet), during the first one or two days your body uses glucose (a simple sugar stored by the body as the complex carbohydrate glycogen), for its main energy requirements. Once the body has used up its stored carbohydrate, it then switches to its other energy source - unwanted fat. A ketogenic diet is very low in carbohydrate.
    The body's stored fat is broken down into little fatty acid molecules called ketones and these circulate taking energy to all the tissues in the body. The Cambridge Diet has been carefully researched and formulated so that when used diets such as Cambridge Diet and Lighter Life, it has just enough carbohydrate for immediate energy and none left over for storage and induces a mild ketosis. The smallest intake of additional carbohydrate can upset this fragile balance and cause carbohydrate to be stored along with water, causing a plateau.
    The mild ketosis is an intrinsic part of the design of the a VLCD because it has significant benefits - it is the key to the comfort for the dieter:
    • It reduces the feeling of hunger - removing the temptation to err!
    • It induces a sense of well-being with good energy levels
      Far from being harmful, ketosis is an important safety factor - the body gets all the energy it needs from the breakdown of its fats stores, thus protecting muscle tissue and vital organs
    • Ketones are the products produced by your body when it burns fat. Your body excretes these ketones in the urine and when you breathe out.

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    Default Re: best weigh to lose weight quickly and safely

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Some may say it's not safe, but The Cambidge Diet is a great way to lose Weight & Fat very quickly whilst protecting valuable muscle tissue. You will gain the weight back though unless you are VERY careful.
    I fail to see how you can lose fat very quickly whilst protecting muscle tissue. The only way to lose weight very quickly would likely be from seriously dropping calories.....which would result in a severe drop of carbohydrate. The weight loss is likely to be glycogen and water - hence the big drop in bodyweight after only a few days on the diet.

    Muscle would obviously be spared due to the lack of carbohydrate.

    Unless anybody can enlighten me, i fail to see how these sort of diets preserve muscle tissue. Anyone?

    Ketosis is another name for the "fat burning" process. When you start a VLCD (very low calorie diet), during the first one or two days your body uses glucose (a simple sugar stored by the body as the complex carbohydrate glycogen), for its main energy requirements. Once the body has used up its stored carbohydrate, it then switches to its other energy source - unwanted fat. A ketogenic diet is very low in carbohydrate.
    The body's stored fat is broken down into little fatty acid molecules called ketones and these circulate taking energy to all the tissues in the body. The Cambridge Diet has been carefully researched and formulated so that when used diets such as Cambridge Diet and Lighter Life, it has just enough carbohydrate for immediate energy and none left over for storage and induces a mild ketosis. The smallest intake of additional carbohydrate can upset this fragile balance and cause carbohydrate to be stored along with water, causing a plateau.
    The mild ketosis is an intrinsic part of the design of the a VLCD because it has significant benefits - it is the key to the comfort for the dieter:
    • It reduces the feeling of hunger - removing the temptation to err!
    • It induces a sense of well-being with good energy levels
      Far from being harmful, ketosis is an important safety factor - the body gets all the energy it needs from the breakdown of its fats stores, thus protecting muscle tissue and vital organs
    • Ketones are the products produced by your body when it burns fat. Your body excretes these ketones in the urine and when you breathe out.
    So the diet would be pretty useless for an athelete. If the diet is very low in carbohydrate, at some point muscle tissue will have to be used for energy. Around 15% of energy comes from protein during exercise anyway so muscle loss is obviously going to happen.

    Other than that, speedy weight loss for the non-athlete.

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    So essentially a high protein diet/Atkins type thing.


    ono -it starts to get very complicated. You start getting in to carbs - those that sugar those that don't - check out how food labels are listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    So essentially a high protein diet/Atkins type thing.


    ono -it starts to get very complicated. You start getting in to carbs - those that sugar those that don't - check out how food labels are listed.
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    So essentially a high protein diet/Atkins type thing.


    ono -it starts to get very complicated. You start getting in to carbs - those that sugar those that don't - check out how food labels are listed.
    Really?
    all BS really

    I think as soon as you start cutting out a major food group you start craving it. Try going an entire week or two without any form of bread/pasta/rice etc, you'll be craving pizza within days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    So essentially a high protein diet/Atkins type thing.


    ono -it starts to get very complicated. You start getting in to carbs - those that sugar those that don't - check out how food labels are listed.
    Really?
    all BS really

    I think as soon as you start cutting out a major food group you start craving it. Try going an entire week or two without any form of bread/pasta/rice etc, you'll be craving pizza within days.


    I'm very close to a diploma in sports nutrition. The really was meant as sarcasm

    I'm not a fan of cutting out carbohydrates. There's better ways to lose weight. Like you say, the average person doesn't have amazing restraint when it comes to food selection and cutting out carbs will eventually lead to a point where the craving gets to badly that the person will likely to return to their old ways. I hear you about the Pizza....espeically with Dominoes just a phone call away

    A diet where gradual reduction in carbohydrate is probably the better solution long term. Especially for an athlete. We all saw what happened to Oscar when he followed a low carbohydrate - high protein diet leading up to the Pac fight. He made weight really well......but that's the only positive thing you can really say about his performance.

    Sorry mate, I edited your post trying to quote you! fixed it - Adam
    Last edited by AdamGB; 03-03-2009 at 10:29 PM. Reason: whooops ;)

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