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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by X View Post
    I have been watching this thread with some interest now, and have kept quiet so far.

    But, I am actually Garry Kasparov.

    Hey Garry. I have a question if you don't mind

    In your 1982 book on the Scheveningen Sicilian, you suggested that a certain move for Black was not that good, then you played that very move in your first game of the first match against Karpov in 1984. What are your thoughts about that? I'm sure you recall the move.
    Yes, no problem. I am actually the worlds foremost expert on the Scheveningen Sicilian. I like to use it against players like Karpov as it is a very aggressive opening and it allows him less time to develop his pieces.

    Karpov always likes to defend from a solid and dymmetrical base, and he then attacks up the flanks. This opening makes it harder for him to do that initial organisation. It's a bit like countering Jeff Lacy before he can get his feet set properly. The book was a double bluff, just like my good friend Muhammad Ali's claim that he would dance for 15 rounds against George Foreman.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Quote Originally Posted by X View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
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    I have been watching this thread with some interest now, and have kept quiet so far.

    But, I am actually Garry Kasparov.

    Hey Garry. I have a question if you don't mind

    In your 1982 book on the Scheveningen Sicilian, you suggested that a certain move for Black was not that good, then you played that very move in your first game of the first match against Karpov in 1984. What are your thoughts about that? I'm sure you recall the move.
    Yes, no problem. I am actually the worlds foremost expert on the Scheveningen Sicilian. I like to use it against players like Karpov as it is a very aggressive opening and it allows him less time to develop his pieces.

    Karpov always likes to defend from a solid and dymmetrical base, and he then attacks up the flanks. This opening makes it harder for him to do that initial organisation. It's a bit like countering Jeff Lacy before he can get his feet set properly. The book was a double bluff, just like my good friend Muhammad Ali's claim that he would dance for 15 rounds against George Foreman.

    Will you vote for me as President of Armenia incidentally??
    I have no idea what that even means but it sounded cool

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    I have no idea what that even means
    That makes two of us then (I misstyped 'symmetrical', but also don't have the slightest idea what I'm going on about.)

    I still reckon that was more convincing than poor old ICE
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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Quote Originally Posted by X View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    I have no idea what that even means
    That makes two of us then (I misstyped 'symmetrical', but also don't have the slightest idea what I'm going on about.)

    I still reckon that was more convincing than poor old ICE
    I'm not sure, I think Ice's picture of the back of a boxers head wearing a headguard was a total refutation of all claims made against him.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
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    I have no idea what that even means
    That makes two of us then (I misstyped 'symmetrical', but also don't have the slightest idea what I'm going on about.)

    I still reckon that was more convincing than poor old ICE
    I'm not sure, I think Ice's picture of the back of a boxers head wearing a headguard was a total refutation of all claims made against him.
    If he'd a pic of him in a boxing ring playing chess with his right hand & bouncing a basketball in the other I would have believed him

    I know ICB apparently stood for Ice Cold Boxing, but I think he was actually a Keyser Soze character pulling some elaborate, lie-strewn web of deceit to confuse us before getting away for good.

    Hence it was in front of our noses the whole time, I Chat Bollocks. Cue dramatic music as he speeds away with his Mr Kobayashi (leftylee) leaving us all like helpless sheep dumbfounded.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Or maybe he was just a bredda who liked to tell porkys

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    All this over chess... gay

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Hey guys here's a picture of my last event.



    Don't ask which one I am.
    For every story told that divides us, I believe there are a thousand untold that unite us.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Hey guys here's a picture of my last event.



    Don't ask which one I am.
    The one on the left is Andy Costello who I finished equal second with in a tournament in November, he became world heavyweight chess champ a couple weeks later winning by checkmate in the 2nd round.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
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    I have been watching this thread with some interest now, and have kept quiet so far.

    But, I am actually Garry Kasparov.

    Hey Garry. I have a question if you don't mind

    In your 1982 book on the Scheveningen Sicilian, you suggested that a certain move for Black was not that good, then you played that very move in your first game of the first match against Karpov in 1984. What are your thoughts about that? I'm sure you recall the move.
    I remember an article regarding Kasparov. The article mentioned about how he had slightly declined because of memory problem. It might be related to that sicilian.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    okay here's my analysis of the game:
    1. e4 e5
    2. Nf3 Nc6
    3. Bc4 Bc5
    4. d3 d6
    5. Nc3 Nf6
    6. Bg5 h6
    7. B xf6 g xf6


    Using 7.... Qxf6 is not advisable because when Nc3 goes to d5, the Black queen will be forced to go back to d8. Besides, it's too early to use the queen. IMO.
    8. Nc3-d5 Be6


    Be6 provides threat/defense against Nd5 and to support the pawn at f8.

    9. Qd2 h5


    I've placed Q to d2 to free it up. Black answered with h5 to free the rook from guarding it and to make a possible push of the black bishop to g4. Possible move for black would also be h5-h4
    10. h4 Bxd5


    Possible move for black would also be h5-h4 so I pushed my pawn to h4. black answered with Bxd5 so there would be no defense on b4. A possible threat by black's bishop to b4 would destroy the pawn structure of white's queen side.
    11. Bxd5 Qc8


    Black's trying to free his queen. Best way is to put it at c8.
    12. Bxc6+ b7xc6
    Black could put his bishop to b6 and he would have a very strong pawn structure. Opening the b flank by 12. ..... b7xc6 is strong because Black knows I would have to castle queen side.


    Bilbo, black was playing very solid. I don't know why you're saying it's a schoolboy's game.

    13. a3 Qg4


    I answered back with a3 coz there's threat to b4. Black's queen to g4 is forcing me to castle queen side.
    14. Rh1-g1 0-0
    So I answered Rh1 to g1. I had no choice. Putting black's rook on g8 would be disastrous for me.
    15. 0-0-0 f5


    I had to to castle now to strengthen my rooks. This is risky because b flank is already open. F5.... black wants to control the center. He also wants the queen to be free on the g6. Q-g6 would mean defense for the 6th row
    16. d4 Bxd4


    Knowing that he wants to control the center, I answered d4. This is the winning move. black should capture d4 or else his pawn structure would be totally destroyed because I have the d flank/column now.
    17. Nxd4 exd4


    Needs no explanation.
    18. exf5 Qxh4
    I am winning now. @move 17 black already knows I'm winning. Qxh4 was his way of protecting his pawn at d4.I don't see any blunder here.
    19. Rh1 Qg4 (edited: sorry)


    I threatened his queen by Rh1. Best counter is to place his queen at g4.
    20. f6 C5
    I moved my pawn to f6 to counter attack and to open up my queen. He defended his pawn at d4 with that c5.He also wanted to free his queen for a possible move to g6 in case I move my queen to h6.
    21. Qh6 Qg6


    So I did put my queen to h6 for a possible exchange of queens. Material wise, I will be at a disadvantage in the end game. I was relying on my positional advantage and a possible mate after 6 moves.


    22. Qxh5 Qxh5
    I captured h5 for a possible mate on Rd1 to h1



    23. Rh1x h5 Rf8-e8


    Black knows he will be mated by 5 moves.
    24. Rd1 -h1 Re8-e1+
    Black's hopeless now.


    25. Rh1-e1 d4-d3
    26. Re1-h1 d3-d2+
    27. Kc1 xd2 Ra8 - e8
    28. Rh5-h8 1-0
    Last edited by brucelee; 02-24-2009 at 02:11 AM.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    My analysis of your game with Bilbo:
    White: Bilbo
    Black: CGM

    1.e4 e5
    2.Nf3 Nc6
    3.Bc4 Bc5
    4.d3 d6
    5.Nc3 Nf6
    6.Bg5 h6
    7.Bxf6 gxf6
    8.Nd5 Be6
    9.Qd2 h5

    Same move I’ve made eh. Black’s playing it very well. Would you agree now Bilbo that the opening of black is strong?

    10.b4 Bb6

    B4!? White is losing control of the center game.
    11.a4 Nd4

    A4 and b4 is too aggressive. This will suffer in the end-game with white controlling the center.
    12.Nxd4 Bxd4
    13.c3 c6
    14.cxd4 cxd5
    15 exd5

    I’m excited how black would castle or would it castle?. White could not castle anymore queenside. B4 is bad move. Castling king side is way too dangerous with the g flank opened for the black rook.

    Black's pawn at h5 is way too dangerous with black's bishop lurking.
    Last edited by brucelee; 02-24-2009 at 02:32 AM.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Yeah bruce, we decided to play out the position after Black's ninth move in your game, because we didn't really agree on some points about the play of your Computer program (Black). Guess what, we still don't really agree. As it stands, white is a pawn up, but at the moment his pawn position is not the greatest. I think Bilbo considers that Black's kingside, particlarly the h-pawn, is weak, positionally it might be true, it remains to be seen whether or not White can take advantage.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Yeah bruce, we decided to play out the position after Black's ninth move in your game, because we didn't really agree on some points about the play of your Computer program (Black). Guess what, we still don't really agree. As it stands, white is a pawn up, but at the moment his pawn position is not the greatest. I think Bilbo considers that Black's kingside, particlarly the h-pawn, is weak, positionally it might be true, it remains to be seen whether or not White can take advantage.

    He could have taken advantage had he followed my h4 move. Now, he's positionally at a disadvantaged. He could not hide his king anymore at queen side. black's bishop is in attacking position. It could have been neutralized had white castled at queen side.

    By the way, the black's h-pawn is strong depending on how you would use it. With the current position, I am of the strong belief that it's strong.

    White's pawns king side can now be destroyed.

    I just couldn't believe that bilbo is rating black's moves (my computer) as below average.

    White's b4 move is bad!!!! Followed by another bad move at a4.

    Please refer to my first analysis for possible clues.

    If you're familiar with the king's gambit, you can use your pawn at h5 in the same manner.
    Last edited by brucelee; 02-24-2009 at 02:53 AM.

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    Default Re: ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

    Is everyone a chess boffin on here apart from me?

    I can play chess but I'm not particularly good. I played a bit in school and was about the second best there (out of those of us that actually played chess). There was a strange boy, who was always far too good for me. And he went to some kind of local chess club too.These days I can move the pieces around and maybe take a few pieces on the way. But as for strategies and really thinking about it properly I am nondescript. I play Scrabble much better!

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