Hatton was a Fluke!!

[skel1983]

World champion for ten years, and a long resume of guys he beat who held belts. Kostya was 35, a couple of months shy of 36, 4 months down the track. Some names Rodrigues, Pineda, Mayweather, Gonzalez, Ruelas, Chavez, Judah when he was actually a good fighter, Mitchell. Kostya was about 36 when he lost. Ricky to be world champion for ten years, I don't think so,

We all saw what happens to Hatton when the opponent has a ref who wll call a break. So Manchester style refs lead to different results, dont they. Hatton was a club fighter at distance.

Tszyu was p4p no3 according to some sources, p4p no2 others. Look at Marquez, he would get smashed by Tszyu at 140, as way less power, similar game, but also a lesser pressure fighter. The can both counter punch. Marquez won the majority of his 24 rounds with Pacquiao, and he is rated p4p no2.

Hatton cannot even go a full two rounds with Pacquiao, let alone 2 rounds.Fresh..Tszyu hadn't fought more than 3 rounds in nearly two years, and was near Julio Cesar Chavez's age. I give Hatton as much credit for beating Tszyu, as I give Kostya for beating Julio Cesar Chavez. Both guys were old, though the Hatton fight was relatively close. Most guys over 30 are old in boxing terms, Hopkins is the exception. Now Hatton has this problem. Aside from his lucky day, who else can Hatton beatr when their actually still pretty good??

Are you being serious??

Give your head a big wobble mate, you compare Hatton beating p4p number 3 fighter the same as beating JCC Snr the same, youve lost the plot mate, Chevez was done, nowhere to be seen in anyones rankings already dismanteled by Oscar twice, have a look at the fighters records Chevez was fighting after his second ko defeat to Oscar. He was fighting the local bin men from Mexico. You also state Mayweather as a decent win? The same Roger who had been beaton 11 times?? Get your cock out of Kosta bum mate hes a great guy great fighter but dont overhype things here.

Yes i agree Kosta had more time at number 1 but who did he beat? Zab Judah is a great win? Zab Judah is poor mate at the time it was a decent win but Judah has only ever beat Cory Spinks. Just look at the fighters Hatton has fought and the fighters Kosta has fought:

Kosta Hatton

JCC Snr - Phillips
Gonzalez - Maussa
Mitchell twice - Collazo
Urkal - Uranga
Judah - Castillo
Tackie - Lazcano
Leija - Mallinaggi

Lost Lost

Phillips - Mayweather
Pacquio

Now given Kosta reign was for 10 years but he fought fuck all in all honesty in ten years weather it was a fault of his or not, but Hatton and Kostas resume is not much difference in terms of quality, i mean Ricky packed them names into his resume in the space of 3-4 years. Kosta fought his names over space of 10-11.

Kosta great fighter pity he didnt do more to prove his greatness.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Beating the p4p no 3, doesnt make you top 5 p4p. Chavez was way better than any guy Hatton ever beat outside Tszyu. He's on the list. Tell me a guy Kostya wouldn't cane that Hatton fought, if the guy was as old as Phillips.

Try find ANYONE in the U.S. who thinks Hatton is better than Tszyu now, OR EVEN THEN. When the last time you saw Kostya Tszyu dismantled.. Never been done. Even when he lost, he still got some things done, and the man was 35!!

Gonzalez was MUCH better than a shot Castillo, as was Ruelas, as was Rodriguez, as was Pineda, as was almost everyone. Can you tell me in which way is a guy like Malinaggi anywher near a Sharmba Mitchel when he actually fought. Roger Mayweather was Tszyu first title defence, and he didnt win 1 round.

Like Phillips even compares to an old Julio Cesar Chavez. Kostya Tszyu was one year plus less age than Chavez. Who will Hatton be able to beat 4 months short of 36. Hatton was NEVER top 5 p4p. He had his LUCKY night in Manchester. Collozao, is that supposed to be your idea of a top boxer? I'll give you a top boxer, we can even go into the anateurs. Vernon Forrest.

Marquez won more rounds over 24 than Pacquiao. He would get killed against Tszyu at 140, he cannot do anything better. He cant pressure fight as well, they both can counter punch, though Tszyu is way more powerful, and has a much better right hand.

Hatton can't even do two rounds with Pacquiao, the same guy Marquez bettered over 24 in most peoples opinion. Tszyu was almost the same age as Julio Cesar Chavez. Tszyu was just plain OLD. Throw in a ref who cant give Kostya a break. We all saw what happens to Hatton in Vegas. A fair ref, Hatton gets KOed, again, by an old man.

Besides living off his victory over an old man, if you call beating a shot Castillo an accomplishment, what else has he ever doen.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

QUOTE: Most boxers are old in boxing terms lol.

Have you seen the top 7 p4p rankings rite now?

1. Mayweather 32
2. Pacquiao 30
3. Marquez 35
4. Hopkins 44
5. Mosley 37
6. Vazquez 31
7. Marquez 34


Your joking, you want to use Hopkins as the rule. Mosely lost a million and 5 times, and he's closer tyo the guy who lost to Cotto, than giving a beat down of overated hand wrap plaster of Paris sensation Margarito. Those two guys atre exceptions, particularly Hopkins, as Mosely will lose again to Cotto.

Since when do guys like Vazquez even compare to Tszyu, and he's 31. Mayweather is in for his last spell before he's too old. Over 30 is oldish for a fighter. Tszyu almost 36 is your idea of Just Fine.. Get off it mate. Pacquiao 30, again way younger. Marquez 35, he is going to turn old infront of a rusty Mayweather, who wont show any rist.

Again, what can Marquez do at 140 better than Tszyu. Hatton would be lucky to be top 20 these days. Since Marquez is rated p4p no2, he's almost ten times the man Hatton is now. Hatton got owned by a flyweight. The two losses Tszyu had, one was he just got beat.

Against Tszyu, he fought two guys at the same time with Dave Paris, and Hatton proved he was the better wrestler submitting the old man who came for a boxing contest. I've never seen Tszyu embarrssed like that, ever. Even when he lost, it was still close. Hatton got OWNED by a flyweight..

[skel1983]

QUOTE: Most boxers are old in boxing terms lol.

Have you seen the top 7 p4p rankings rite now?

1. Mayweather 32
2. Pacquiao 30
3. Marquez 35
4. Hopkins 44
5. Mosley 37
6. Vazquez 31
7. Marquez 34


Your joking, you want to use Hopkins as the rule. Mosely lost a million and 5 times, and he's closer tyo the guy who lost to Cotto, than giving a beat down of overated hand wrap plaster of Paris sensation Margarito. Those two guys atre exceptions, particularly Hopkins, as Mosely will lose again to Cotto.

Since when do guys like Vazquez even compare to Tszyu, and he's 31. Mayweather is in for his last spell before he's too old. Over 30 is oldish for a fighter. Tszyu almost 36 is your idea of Just Fine.. Get off it mate. Pacquiao 30, again way younger. Marquez 35, he is going to turn old infront of a rusty Mayweather, who wont show any rist.

Again, what can Marquez do at 140 better than Tszyu. Hatton would be lucky to be top 20 these days. Since Marquez is rated p4p no2, he's almost ten times the man Hatton is now. Hatton got owned by a flyweight. The two losses Tszyu had, one was he just got beat.

Against Tszyu, he fought two guys at the same time with Dave Paris, and Hatton proved he was the better wrestler submitting the old man who came for a boxing contest. I've never seen Tszyu embarrssed like that, ever. Even when he lost, it was still close. Hatton got OWNED by a flyweight..

Hold your horses there in a previous post you stated:

" Most guys over 30 are old in boxing terms "

So i just proved that you are talking a load of bullshit, as the facts prove most fighters are in there prime at 30+, what the hell you talking about?? You stated most boxers are old in boxing terms and i showed you the facts that majority boxers are actully the opposite and in there prime, so again your wrong, oh but now you say Pac is still youngish make your mind up you keep contradicting yourself.

[skel1983]

Beating the p4p no 3, doesnt make you top 5 p4p. Chavez was way better than any guy Hatton ever beat outside Tszyu. He's on the list. Tell me a guy Kostya wouldn't cane that Hatton fought, if the guy was as old as Phillips.

Try find ANYONE in the U.S. who thinks Hatton is better than Tszyu now, OR EVEN THEN. When the last time you saw Kostya Tszyu dismantled.. Never been done. Even when he lost, he still got some things done, and the man was 35!!

Gonzalez was MUCH better than a shot Castillo, as was Ruelas, as was Rodriguez, as was Pineda, as was almost everyone. Can you tell me in which way is a guy like Malinaggi anywher near a Sharmba Mitchel when he actually fought. Roger Mayweather was Tszyu first title defence, and he didnt win 1 round.

Like Phillips even compares to an old Julio Cesar Chavez. Kostya Tszyu was one year plus less age than Chavez. Who will Hatton be able to beat 4 months short of 36. Hatton was NEVER top 5 p4p. He had his LUCKY night in Manchester. Collozao, is that supposed to be your idea of a top boxer? I'll give you a top boxer, we can even go into the anateurs. Vernon Forrest.

Marquez won more rounds over 24 than Pacquiao. He would get killed against Tszyu at 140, he cannot do anything better. He cant pressure fight as well, they both can counter punch, though Tszyu is way more powerful, and has a much better right hand.

Hatton can't even do two rounds with Pacquiao, the same guy Marquez bettered over 24 in most peoples opinion. Tszyu was almost the same age as Julio Cesar Chavez. Tszyu was just plain OLD. Throw in a ref who cant give Kostya a break. We all saw what happens to Hatton in Vegas. A fair ref, Hatton gets KOed, again, by an old man.

Besides living off his victory over an old man, if you call beating a shot Castillo an accomplishment, what else has he ever doen.

First off when did I say beating Kosta makes you a p4p top 5?? Go and look at the two lists of fighters beaton and at what stage they beat them and like i said and people who havent got there tongues firmly stuck inside Kostas bumhole will see the list is pretty similar in terms of who they beat, Kosta will go down as probably a better 140 fighter than Hatton just for the fact he rules longer, but to give Kosta the credit you are giving him at beating an old man Chevez as unbelievable, Chevez would of dismanteld Kosta in his prime, what the hell do you keep going on about Marquez for?? Styles make fights who has mentioned Marquez except for you, when did Hatton get ko'd by an old man, your seriously deluded if you think Haton beating Kosta was ther same magnitude as Kosta beating Chevez. Fanboys like you give these pages a bad name.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Except the fact, Tszyu beat Chavez at a very similar age to what Tszyu was when Hatton beat him. As much as you don't like it, that is the facts.

Hatton beat an old Vince Phillips. I brought up Marquez, coz he bettered Pacquiao over 24 rounds, and he is a lesser fighter than Tszyu in the lightweight divisions. You know, the same Pacquiao Hatton couldn't go two rounds with. I suppose Hatton is Pacquiaos version of Zab judah. Two round sensation.

When the last form Sharmba Mitchell Hatton ever beat. Whens the last Gonzalez, Ruelas whoever.

Hatton beat an OLD man in Tszyu. The facts are, Tszyu did his old man in Julio way easier. They were 1 year plus age differences when thet lost, Kostya and Julio. As much as you dont like it, Tszyu beat teh greatest Mexican fighter in history. Hatton beat an old guy, and nobody else. Like Collzao was anywhere near as good as Sharmba Mitchell before he got old, are you serious. Did the guy twice. Hatton go lucky.

LOOK, I reckon Hatton is pretty good, only wasnt as good as Mayweather. Against Pacquiao, he cant fight a southpaw Hatton, Worst guy in the world to fight. If he reckons he can, why the heck is Matthew Hatton going to fight Zab Judah oin the Marquez undercard. It should be Ricky fighting Judah, and if he should lose to Judah.........well, you'll never hear the end of it.


I was wrong. I tipped Pacquiao by decision. Hatton didn evn make it to the end of round two..

[skel1983]

Except the fact, Tszyu beat Chavez at a very similar age to what Tszyu was when Hatton beat him. As much as you don't like it, that is the facts.

Hatton beat an old Vince Phillips. I brought up Marquez, coz he bettered Pacquiao over 24 rounds, and he is a lesser fighter than Tszyu in the lightweight divisions. You know, the same Pacquiao Hatton couldn't go two rounds with. I suppose Hatton is Pacquiaos version of Zab judah. Two round sensation.

When the last form Sharmba Mitchell Hatton ever beat. Whens the last Gonzalez, Ruelas whoever.

Hatton beat an OLD man in Tszyu. The facts are, Tszyu did his old man in Julio way easier. They were 1 year plus age differences when thet lost, Kostya and Julio. As much as you dont like it, Tszyu beat teh greatest Mexican fighter in history. Hatton beat an old guy, and nobody else. Like Collzao was anywhere near as good as Sharmba Mitchell before he got old, are you serious. Did the guy twice. Hatton go lucky.

LOOK, I reckon Hatton is pretty good, only wasnt as good as Mayweather. Against Pacquiao, he cant fight a southpaw Hatton, Worst guy in the world to fight. If he reckons he can, why the heck is Matthew Hatton going to fight Zab Judah oin the Marquez undercard. It should be Ricky fighting Judah, and if he should lose to Judah.........well, you'll never hear the end of it.


I was wrong. I tipped Pacquiao by decision. Hatton didn evn make it to the end of round two..

Oh no honestly you need help mate big help, age is a number mate, obviously its not registering.

By the way Marquez will go down as a better fighter than Kosta and will be ranked higher on the greatest of all time list by quite a margin.

Chevez was old in age and old in boxing terms the amount of rounds he had been knocked out badly before he fought Kosta, Kosta was a heavily odds on favourite to win the fight, Kosta was also a heavily odds on to beat Hatton, you are one strange person if you really think them to fights are on the same level of importance and relevance.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Over 30 in boxing is getting on the older side. The fact Pacquiao and Hatton are intheir early 30's ok. When your in your mid 30''s, that when most fighters will turn old overnight.

When Hatton fought Tszyu, I saw the man turn old before my eyes. Didnt even resemble the guy he used to be. And he still made it to the stool in round 11 before quitting. In De La Hoya's case, he quit in round 6 or whatever it was, just like Tyson. Mosely needed steroids to beat Oscar in a rematch. Tszyu needed a cane to get to the ring at 2am, and still Hatton had a rough fight mugging an old guy in the early morning.

[skel1983]

Over 30 in boxing is getting on the older side. The fact Pacquiao and Hatton are intheir early 30's ok. When your in your mid 30''s, that when most fighters will turn old overnight.

When Hatton fought Tszyu, I saw the man turn old before my eyes. Didnt even resemble the guy he used to be. And he still made it to the stool in round 11 before quitting. In De La Hoya's case, he quit in round 6 or whatever it was, just like Tyson. Mosely needed steroids to beat Oscar in a rematch. Tszyu needed a cane to get to the ring at 2am, and still Hatton had a rough fight mugging an old guy in the early morning.

So its took you four years to come to this judgement and crawl out from under your rock? Oh no sorry your belief that he was old has just been confirmed by the fact Hatton was knocked out in 2 rounds, so tell me what happened to young Kosta minus the walking stick when he was beat up by Vince Philips?

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Kostya had court distractions when he lost to Phillips. No real excuse though, he lost, same way to Hatton. Both time history will judge the better man lost. Phillips won, but nobody in boxing even rates Phillips. Kostya is going to the hall of fame first ballot, as soon as he officially decides to declare, now it's questionable whether Hatton ever will.

Kostya is rated as the second greatest fighter at 140 ever. Some rate Aaron Pryor ahead of him. All Marquez ever did was go up in weight. Both Marquez and Tszyu are going to the hall of fame, but if you asked most guys who would win at 140, Tszyu easy. Even if you take him back to a weight class lower and compare p4p, they have some similarities, Marquez and Tszyu.

The fact is, Tszyu was quicker when younger, he has a way better right hand, than Marquez, they counter punch similar, but Kostya can pressure fight better, and is p4p more powerful ouncher. Marquez went upo the weights, Tszyu didnt.

Tszyu could've started at 135, if he was 35 still fighting at the same weight he started at, and couldve fought up to 147 I suppose. He didn't. Marquez went up the weights, whule Tszyu has been world champion WAY longer than Marquez has been.

And yes.........you can make all the excuses you like, Chavez was of a similar age when he lost as to what Kostya was when he too lost. The fact that an old man was favoured by the bookies over Hatton tells you some tjings Tszyu had over Chavez. The facts are, Tszyu was better tahn Chavez at the same old age, and beat the best fighter Mexico ever had. He was an old man, JUST LIKE TSZYU.

[ono]

Fuck me, it's been a bad week for em hasn't it.

[TheDemolitionDan]

Get fucking over it already Hatton beat up KT. You can talk about "Well in so and so's prime he would have beat 'em" God that fucking excuse is so annoying. I could whine about how Hatton three years ago would have destroyed Pacquiao, but I'm not. Pacquiao and Hatton just happened to fight onMay 2nd, Hatton is on the down hill and Pacquiao is hitting his peak. It happens and it just so happens Hatton was right around his peak when he fought KT. I'm sure KT fans don't like it when JCC fans say he was over the hill. Just get over it already.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

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[skel1983]

Marquez better than Tszyu, in what dream world. Kostya is rated as the second greatest fighter at 140 ever. Some rate Aaron Pryor ahead of him. All Marquez ever did was go up in weight. Both Marquez and Tszyu are going to the hall of fame, but if you asked most guys who would win at 140, Tszyu easy. Even if you take him back to a weight class lower and compare p4p, they have some similarities, Marquez and Tszyu.

The fact is, Tszyu was quicker when younger, he has a way better right hand, than Marquez, they counter punch similar, but Kostya can pressure fight better, and is p4p more powerful ouncher. Marquez went upo the weights, Tszyu didnt.

Tszyu could've started at 135, if he was 35 still fighting at the same weight he started at, and couldve fought up to 147 I suppose. He didn't. Marquez went up the weights, whule Tszyu has been world champion WAY longer than Marquez has been.

And yes.........you can make all the excuses you like, Chavez was of a similar age when he lost as to what Kostya was when he too lost. The fact that an old man was favoured by the bookies over Hatton tells you some tjings Tszyu had over Chavez. The facts are, Tszyu was better tahn Chavez at the same old age, and beat the best fighter Mexico ever had. He was an old man, JUST LIKE TSZYU.

[CGM]

World champion for ten years, and a long resume of guys he beat who held belts. Kostya was 35, a couple of months shy of 36, 4 months down the track. Some names Rodrigues, Pineda, Mayweather, Gonzalez, Ruelas, Chavez, Judah when he was actually a good fighter, Mitchell. Kostya was about 36 when he lost. Ricky to be world champion for ten years, I don't think so,

We all saw what happens to Hatton when the opponent has a ref who wll call a break. So Manchester style refs lead to different results, dont they. Hatton was a club fighter at distance.

Tszyu was p4p no3 according to some sources, p4p no2 others. Look at Marquez, he would get smashed by Tszyu at 140, as way less power, similar game, but also a lesser pressure fighter. The can both counter punch. Marquez won the majority of his 24 rounds with Pacquiao, and he is rated p4p no2.

Hatton cannot even go a full two rounds with Pacquiao, let alone 2 rounds.Fresh..Tszyu hadn't fought more than 3 rounds in nearly two years, and was near Julio Cesar Chavez's age. I give Hatton as much credit for beating Tszyu, as I give Kostya for beating Julio Cesar Chavez. Both guys were old, though the Hatton fight was relatively close. Most guys over 30 are old in boxing terms, Hopkins is the exception. Now Hatton has this problem. Aside from his lucky day, who else can Hatton beatr when their actually still pretty good??

Are you being serious??

Give your head a big wobble mate, you compare Hatton beating p4p number 3 fighter the same as beating JCC Snr the same, youve lost the plot mate, Chevez was done, nowhere to be seen in anyones rankings already dismanteled by Oscar twice, have a look at the fighters records Chevez was fighting after his second ko defeat to Oscar. He was fighting the local bin men from Mexico. You also state Mayweather as a decent win? The same Roger who had been beaton 11 times?? Get your cock out of Kosta bum mate hes a great guy great fighter but dont overhype things here.

Yes i agree Kosta had more time at number 1 but who did he beat? Zab Judah is a great win? Zab Judah is poor mate at the time it was a decent win but Judah has only ever beat Cory Spinks. Just look at the fighters Hatton has fought and the fighters Kosta has fought:

Kosta Hatton

JCC Snr - Phillips
Gonzalez - Maussa
Mitchell twice - Collazo
Urkal - Uranga
Judah - Castillo
Tackie - Lazcano
Leija - Mallinaggi

Lost Lost

Phillips - Mayweather
Pacquio

Now given Kosta reign was for 10 years but he fought fuck all in all honesty in ten years weather it was a fault of his or not, but Hatton and Kostas resume is not much difference in terms of quality, i mean Ricky packed them names into his resume in the space of 3-4 years. Kosta fought his names over space of 10-11.

Kosta great fighter pity he didnt do more to prove his greatness.

Downplaying the career of Hatton's biggest name victim doesn't look good for Hatton.