Hatton was a Fluke!!

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Over 30 in boxing is getting on the older side. The fact Pacquiao and Hatton are intheir early 30's ok. When your in your mid 30''s, that when most fighters will turn old overnight.

When Hatton fought Tszyu, I saw the man turn old before my eyes. Didnt even resemble the guy he used to be. And he still made it to the stool in round 11 before quitting. In De La Hoya's case, he quit in round 6 or whatever it was, just like Tyson. Mosely needed steroids to beat Oscar in a rematch. Tszyu needed a cane to get to the ring at 2am, and still Hatton had a rough fight mugging an old guy in the early morning.

[skel1983]

Over 30 in boxing is getting on the older side. The fact Pacquiao and Hatton are intheir early 30's ok. When your in your mid 30''s, that when most fighters will turn old overnight.

When Hatton fought Tszyu, I saw the man turn old before my eyes. Didnt even resemble the guy he used to be. And he still made it to the stool in round 11 before quitting. In De La Hoya's case, he quit in round 6 or whatever it was, just like Tyson. Mosely needed steroids to beat Oscar in a rematch. Tszyu needed a cane to get to the ring at 2am, and still Hatton had a rough fight mugging an old guy in the early morning.

So its took you four years to come to this judgement and crawl out from under your rock? Oh no sorry your belief that he was old has just been confirmed by the fact Hatton was knocked out in 2 rounds, so tell me what happened to young Kosta minus the walking stick when he was beat up by Vince Philips?

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Kostya had court distractions when he lost to Phillips. No real excuse though, he lost, same way to Hatton. Both time history will judge the better man lost. Phillips won, but nobody in boxing even rates Phillips. Kostya is going to the hall of fame first ballot, as soon as he officially decides to declare, now it's questionable whether Hatton ever will.

Kostya is rated as the second greatest fighter at 140 ever. Some rate Aaron Pryor ahead of him. All Marquez ever did was go up in weight. Both Marquez and Tszyu are going to the hall of fame, but if you asked most guys who would win at 140, Tszyu easy. Even if you take him back to a weight class lower and compare p4p, they have some similarities, Marquez and Tszyu.

The fact is, Tszyu was quicker when younger, he has a way better right hand, than Marquez, they counter punch similar, but Kostya can pressure fight better, and is p4p more powerful ouncher. Marquez went upo the weights, Tszyu didnt.

Tszyu could've started at 135, if he was 35 still fighting at the same weight he started at, and couldve fought up to 147 I suppose. He didn't. Marquez went up the weights, whule Tszyu has been world champion WAY longer than Marquez has been.

And yes.........you can make all the excuses you like, Chavez was of a similar age when he lost as to what Kostya was when he too lost. The fact that an old man was favoured by the bookies over Hatton tells you some tjings Tszyu had over Chavez. The facts are, Tszyu was better tahn Chavez at the same old age, and beat the best fighter Mexico ever had. He was an old man, JUST LIKE TSZYU.

[skel1983]

Kostya had court distractions when he lost to Phillips. No real excuse though, he lost, same way to Hatton. Both time history will judge the better man lost. Phillips won, but nobody in boxing even rates Phillips. Kostya is going to the hall of fame first ballot, as soon as he officially decides to declare, now it's questionable whether Hatton ever will.

Kostya is rated as the second greatest fighter at 140 ever. Some rate Aaron Pryor ahead of him. All Marquez ever did was go up in weight. Both Marquez and Tszyu are going to the hall of fame, but if you asked most guys who would win at 140, Tszyu easy. Even if you take him back to a weight class lower and compare p4p, they have some similarities, Marquez and Tszyu.

The fact is, Tszyu was quicker when younger, he has a way better right hand, than Marquez, they counter punch similar, but Kostya can pressure fight better, and is p4p more powerful ouncher. Marquez went upo the weights, Tszyu didnt.

Tszyu could've started at 135, if he was 35 still fighting at the same weight he started at, and couldve fought up to 147 I suppose. He didn't. Marquez went up the weights, whule Tszyu has been world champion WAY longer than Marquez has been.

And yes.........you can make all the excuses you like, Chavez was of a similar age when he lost as to what Kostya was when he too lost. The fact that an old man was favoured by the bookies over Hatton tells you some tjings Tszyu had over Chavez. The facts are, Tszyu was better tahn Chavez at the same old age, and beat the best fighter Mexico ever had. He was an old man, JUST LIKE TSZYU.

Number 2?

LOL Come on now are you Kostas dad? So you rank him higher than JCC?

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

I think, if I was being honest, Julio Cesar Chavez's long reign of victories surpasses Kostyas achievements. They did different things. Kostya was never dominated in even one pro fight. The worst he ever looked, was infact when he fought Hatton. Against Phillips, he actually got stopped, but they were both trading punches late, and he looked OK early to mid fight.

Chavez clearly got killed by Whittaker. Destroyed by De La Hoya, was lucky against Meldric Taylor etc. Who knows how many other corrupt decisons went his way in Mexico. Both great fighters, but Chavez would be rated probablt that bit higher for the volume of his wins.

Tszyu has a unique place. Rated top 2 140 fighters ever. The other guy, Pryor, while an offensive juggernaught, had alot shorter reign. Kostya had a 10 year reign as champion. So he has his unique place. The fact nothing went his way against Ricky Hatton, then he is forced to quit with his corner pulling him to no protest on his behalf, he turned old in that fight. The worst I ever saw him. Ricky also got the perfect conditions. A style of fight with a ref who didnt intervene much.


I think both guys fighting in their porime would be interesting, especually in Vegas. Probably one of the harder styles for Tszyu, but he didnt look good that night. He loves having a touch of space that he would've got more of in Vegas. Also, every fighter Hatton fought post Tszyu, was thinking this was the guy who beat Tszyu. tszyu underestimated Hatton, because you dont concede every advantage as champion, like fight in conditions you never fought in befire at 2am with rules like IBF can pick any local Ref, and not underestimate you opponent.

In the end, Ricky Hatton beat a great figher. He was on the older side, but yes, he could still fight. I was just stirring you abit. I hope Hatton has two more fights and retires with one of the recognised belts, calling it a day.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Ohh...as a 140 pounder I rate him one notch higher than Chavez, simply because he did more at 140 than Chavez, and was a trully great fighter anyway in his own right. Some guys rate him over Aaron Pryor, longer reighn , and Prypr only ever beat one top top opponent. The other guys, Pryor was just an electric offensive fighter, and alot was projection, and he didnt reign anywhere near as long as Tszyu, but concensus probably is

1. Pryor 2. Tszyu. 3. Chavez...........(Chavez rated higher alltime, though not at 140 exclusively, if you follow my point)

[leftylee]

I don't know why people are responding to his posts. Look at his username. He's just a wind up merchant.

[ono]

Fuck me, it's been a bad week for em hasn't it.

[BIG H]

Nver fails to amaze me how people claim Tszyu was Old/Shot etc when he fought Hatton. He was only 35, had had less fights than Hatton, he had not been in any wars and he had just come off arguable his career best win and best performance. Suddenly in between fighting Mitchell and Hatton something happend to make Tszyu a shot fighter - It's laughable

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

He fought 3 rounds against Mitchell. He hadn't fought in over two years in practical terms, and most of his fights were against current or former world champions, even before he became a champion. A very high ratio of current or former world champions.

I wouldn't say Shot, interms that he can't fight, because he was never dominated in any fight to the point where he was totally annihilated, but he was certainly past his best, and right to be had. In other words, OVER THE HILL, an Old Man. For an Old Man, he looked ok. Since when has 4 months short of 36 been Fresh for boxing.

What because Hopkins and Mosely can stick around. Look at old man De La Hoya, who turned old before our eyes retiuring at, surprise surprise, 35. Tszyu was an old man..

[fan johnny]

Hatton's style commands a lot of determination, strength and sheer force of will something he's been running out of as of late. Many have preached to him in his past that his life style would eventually catch up to him. If he wanted to prolong his boxing career he would need to adjust his life style to suite.

I wouldn't label Hatton a "Fluke" he is not even close to fitting that label. It's easy to come up with criticism that sound plausible once a fighter lost and hit them when they are down.

Hatton's style is a pressure fighter who swarms you with punches. He has tremendous skill boxing on the inside and can cut the ring better than most. His style does not match up well against some fighters. His career could have been managed so that he faced only fighters where he "looks" good rather than to risk losing by facing fighters that are contrary to his style. But that is not what Hatton wanted. He wanted only to face the Best fighters. He showed the people he has the heart of a warrior and I think that's why so many people loved him.

[skel1983]

Hatton's style commands a lot of determination, strength and sheer force of will something he's been running out of as of late. Many have preached to him in his past that his life style would eventually catch up to him. If he wanted to prolong his boxing career he would need to adjust his life style to suite.

I wouldn't label Hatton a "Fluke" he is not even close to fitting that label. It's easy to come up with criticism that sound plausible once a fighter lost and hit them when they are down.

Hatton's style is a pressure fighter who swarms you with punches. He has tremendous skill boxing on the inside and can cut the ring better than most. His style does not match up well against some fighters. His career could have been managed so that he faced only fighters where he "looks" good rather than to risk losing by facing fighters that are contrary to his style. But that is not what Hatton wanted. He wanted only to face the Best fighters. He showed the people he has the heart of a warrior and I think that's why so many people loved him.

Totally agree, no disrespect to Manny he took Hatton apart and would of been to cute and fast agaisnt any version of Hatton, but there is only so many fights that you can use your face as defensive tool before it starts to take its toll. Hattons face looks like someone has dropped a piano on it for a reason and the signs were there in the Lazcano fight his punch resistance was on the slippery slope, and as pretty boy has stated many times this week Hatton has had alot of wars.

Thaxton,Collazo,Lazcano,Mcgee,Mayweather etc etc He has taken alot of shots and has fought alot of hard rounds.

[ono]

He fought 3 rounds against Mitchell. He hadn't fought in over two years in practical terms, and most of his fights were against current or former world champions, even before he became a champion. A very high ratio of current or former world champions.

I wouldn't say Shot, interms that he can't fight, because he was never dominated in any fight to the point where he was totally annihilated, but he was certainly past his best, and right to be had. In other words, OVER THE HILL, an Old Man. For an Old Man, he looked ok. Since when has 4 months short of 36 been Fresh for boxing.

What because Hopkins and Mosely can stick around. Look at old man De La Hoya, who turned old before our eyes retiuring at, surprise surprise, 35. Tszyu was an old man..

Oscar was on an IV drip....hence he couldn't orally re-hydrate which suggests he was ill or something had badly gone wrong. Very little to do with him 'being shot'

[Violent Demise]

Nver fails to amaze me how people claim Tszyu was Old/Shot etc when he fought Hatton. He was only 35, had had less fights than Hatton, he had not been in any wars and he had just come off arguable his career best win and best performance. Suddenly in between fighting Mitchell and Hatton something happend to make Tszyu a shot fighter - It's laughable

Saying Hatton beat Tszyu only cuz Tszyu was shot is a bit of a stretch.

Hatton beat Tszyu cuz the ref was in his pocket is more like it.

[BIG H]

Nver fails to amaze me how people claim Tszyu was Old/Shot etc when he fought Hatton. He was only 35, had had less fights than Hatton, he had not been in any wars and he had just come off arguable his career best win and best performance. Suddenly in between fighting Mitchell and Hatton something happend to make Tszyu a shot fighter - It's laughable

Saying Hatton beat Tszyu only cuz Tszyu was shot is a bit of a stretch.

Hatton beat Tszyu cuz the ref was in his pocket is more like it.

But in reality (apart from the retaliatory low blow) was anything Hatton did illegal or was it just a case of some refs will tolreate and some won't.