Lets get something straight!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Catchweights should not be for titles period. The belt is for fighters that can make 141-147 at the weigh-in. The 145 limit is not the Welterweight limit and therefore should not be for the WELTERWEIGHT title. If Cotto and PAC want to fight at a catchweight fine, but you cannot justify it being for a title other than you want your boy to get his 7th div title. If PAC wants a 7th division title fight someone within the limits of the seventh division, not some made-up limit.

If a champ agrees to it then a title can be on the line at a catchweight. Just like in the past fighters have agreed to a catchweight to put two division titles on the line.

Come on guys this isnt the first time its going to happen.

Hello? McFly!

Governing Body?

[killersheep]

Catchweights should not be for titles period. The belt is for fighters that can make 141-147 at the weigh-in. The 145 limit is not the Welterweight limit and therefore should not be for the WELTERWEIGHT title. If Cotto and PAC want to fight at a catchweight fine, but you cannot justify it being for a title other than you want your boy to get his 7th div title. If PAC wants a 7th division title fight someone within the limits of the seventh division, not some made-up limit.

If a champ agrees to it then a title can be on the line at a catchweight. Just like in the past fighters have agreed to a catchweight to put two division titles on the line.

Come on guys this isnt the first time its going to happen.

Those were just as much if not more BS than this. I would never endorse multiple weight titles in the same fight it doesn't make any sense. Yes it has happened, but it shouldn't have. For example, how can you justify fighting for a middleweight title at 164 lbs. Do boxers now have carte blanche to determine what weightclasses are? If that's the case why have weight classes at all?

[Julius Rain]

Catchweights should not be for titles period. The belt is for fighters that can make 141-147 at the weigh-in. The 145 limit is not the Welterweight limit and therefore should not be for the WELTERWEIGHT title. If Cotto and PAC want to fight at a catchweight fine, but you cannot justify it being for a title other than you want your boy to get his 7th div title. If PAC wants a 7th division title fight someone within the limits of the seventh division, not some made-up limit.

If a champ agrees to it then a title can be on the line at a catchweight. Just like in the past fighters have agreed to a catchweight to put two division titles on the line.

Come on guys this isnt the first time its going to happen.

Those were just as much if not more BS than this. I would never endorse multiple weight titles in the same fight it doesn't make any sense. Yes it has happened, but it shouldn't have. For example, how can you justify fighting for a middleweight title at 164 lbs. Do boxers now have carte blanche to determine what weightclasses are? If that's the case why have weight classes at all?

they do it to match two great fighters up and the titles are additional hype jobs. you know how boxing goes killa.

[killersheep]

If a champ agrees to it then a title can be on the line at a catchweight. Just like in the past fighters have agreed to a catchweight to put two division titles on the line.

Come on guys this isnt the first time its going to happen.

Those were just as much if not more BS than this. I would never endorse multiple weight titles in the same fight it doesn't make any sense. Yes it has happened, but it shouldn't have. For example, how can you justify fighting for a middleweight title at 164 lbs. Do boxers now have carte blanche to determine what weightclasses are? If that's the case why have weight classes at all?

they do it to match two great fighters up and the titles are additional hype jobs. you know how boxing goes killa.

So you're saying titles are merely marketing tools?

[Julius Rain]

Those were just as much if not more BS than this. I would never endorse multiple weight titles in the same fight it doesn't make any sense. Yes it has happened, but it shouldn't have. For example, how can you justify fighting for a middleweight title at 164 lbs. Do boxers now have carte blanche to determine what weightclasses are? If that's the case why have weight classes at all?

they do it to match two great fighters up and the titles are additional hype jobs. you know how boxing goes killa.

So you're saying titles are merely marketing tools?

I wouldnt say merely marketing tools.

[killersheep]

they do it to match two great fighters up and the titles are additional hype jobs. you know how boxing goes killa.

So you're saying titles are merely marketing tools?

I wouldnt say merely marketing tools.

Please explain how a fight that is not at the standards of Welterweight can be for the title then. 141-145 is NOT the Welterweight limit and should NOT be for the Welterweight title because of that.

[generalbulldog]

Catchweights should not be for titles period. The belt is for fighters that can make 141-147 at the weigh-in. The 145 limit is not the Welterweight limit and therefore should not be for the WELTERWEIGHT title. If Cotto and PAC want to fight at a catchweight fine, but you cannot justify it being for a title other than you want your boy to get his 7th div title. If PAC wants a 7th division title fight someone within the limits of the seventh division, not some made-up limit.

If a champ agrees to it then a title can be on the line at a catchweight. Just like in the past fighters have agreed to a catchweight to put two division titles on the line.

Come on guys this isnt the first time its going to happen.

Ray Leonard pull that bitchass move on Lalonde for his Lightheavyweight title at 168. And De La Hoya the 2nd golden boy had Hopkins come in at 158 at age 39 for his middleweight titles. Both are punks for pulling those moves.

Ray Leonard who is a poor man's version of the original Sugar Ray tried to emulate the original by taking on the lightheavyweight champ, but all he did was pissed off real boxing fans with that weight drain shit.

Pacman will alienate and piss off many boxing fans, he may fool the fan boys and the general public, but real boxing fans he won't.

[killersheep]

Catchweights should not be for titles period. The belt is for fighters that can make 141-147 at the weigh-in. The 145 limit is not the Welterweight limit and therefore should not be for the WELTERWEIGHT title. If Cotto and PAC want to fight at a catchweight fine, but you cannot justify it being for a title other than you want your boy to get his 7th div title. If PAC wants a 7th division title fight someone within the limits of the seventh division, not some made-up limit.

If a champ agrees to it then a title can be on the line at a catchweight. Just like in the past fighters have agreed to a catchweight to put two division titles on the line.

Come on guys this isnt the first time its going to happen.

Ray Leonard pull that bitchass move on Lalonde for his Lightheavyweight title at 168. And De La Hoya the 2nd golden boy had Hopkins come in at 158 at age 39 for his middleweight titles. Both are punks for pulling those moves.

Ray Leonard who is a poor man's version of the original Sugar Ray tried to emulate the original by taking on the lightheavyweight champ, but all he did was pissed off real boxing fans with that weight drain shit.

Pacman will alienate and piss off many boxing fans, he may fool the fan boys and the general public, but real boxing fans he won't.

Valid points about Leonard and ODLH, but don't say Julius isn't a real boxing fan. Julius is a stand up guy, we can keep this debate civil.

[generalbulldog]

So you're saying titles are merely marketing tools?

I wouldnt say merely marketing tools.

Please explain how a fight that is not at the standards of Welterweight can be for the title then. 141-145 is NOT the Welterweight limit and should NOT be for the Welterweight title because of that.

Actually 141-145 is within the welterweight limit. It's 141-147 but guys usually come in at 147 most of the time and then rehydrate.

[Julius Rain]

So you're saying titles are merely marketing tools?

I wouldnt say merely marketing tools.

Please explain how a fight that is not at the standards of Welterweight can be for the title then. 141-145 is NOT the Welterweight limit and should NOT be for the Welterweight title because of that.

KS, the rule states welterweight range from 141 to 147 and the welterweight title can be fought between those weight. If the fighters agree not to max out during weigh in at 147 they can do that.

The catchweight is simply asking both fighters not to max out on the weigh in, but they are still at the welterweight standard.

[killersheep]

I wouldnt say merely marketing tools.

Please explain how a fight that is not at the standards of Welterweight can be for the title then. 141-145 is NOT the Welterweight limit and should NOT be for the Welterweight title because of that.

Actually 141-145 is within the welterweight limit. It's 141-147 but guys usually come in at 147 most of the time and then rehydrate.

Within yes, but not AT the welterweight limit. For a guy like Cotto, getting down to 145 may actually make a big difference. The point is Welterweight is not 141-145 it's 141-147.

[killersheep]

I wouldnt say merely marketing tools.

Please explain how a fight that is not at the standards of Welterweight can be for the title then. 141-145 is NOT the Welterweight limit and should NOT be for the Welterweight title because of that.

KS, the rule states welterweight range from 141 to 147 and the welterweight title can be fought between those weight. If the fighters agree not to max out during weigh in at 147 they can do that.

The catchweight is simply asking both fighters not to max out on the weigh in, but they are still at the welterweight standard.

No they are not, if they were within the Welterweight standard they could weigh-in at 147. This is a CATCHWEIGHT.

[Julius Rain]

Please explain how a fight that is not at the standards of Welterweight can be for the title then. 141-145 is NOT the Welterweight limit and should NOT be for the Welterweight title because of that.

KS, the rule states welterweight range from 141 to 147 and the welterweight title can be fought between those weight. If the fighters agree not to max out during weigh in at 147 they can do that.

The catchweight is simply asking both fighters not to max out on the weigh in, but they are still at the welterweight standard.

No they are not, if they were within the Welterweight standard they could weigh-in at 147. This is a CATCHWEIGHT.

your right this is a catchweight both champions agreed on to put their titles on the line.

[killersheep]

KS, the rule states welterweight range from 141 to 147 and the welterweight title can be fought between those weight. If the fighters agree not to max out during weigh in at 147 they can do that.

The catchweight is simply asking both fighters not to max out on the weigh in, but they are still at the welterweight standard.

No they are not, if they were within the Welterweight standard they could weigh-in at 147. This is a CATCHWEIGHT.

your right this is a catchweight both champions agreed on to put their titles on the line.

Catchweight implies not at a determined weight class (e.g. Welterweight)

[CFH]

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Cotto himself said he could do 145 no problem, in his last bout he weighed in at 146. Pac is unlikely to even weigh in at 144 if he fights above junier weltwer weight. Do you still think its unfair?

Are you guys telling me you guys believe pac would easily beat cotto at any weight below 147? nuthuggers!

Its up to the two fighters and this fight is likely to happen at a catchweight.

Of course he said that. Offer me 10 million dollars and I'll tell you I can make 80 lbs and I'll try my best to do it. Boxers say and do all kinds of things to get marquee fights made.

Just because he can make the weight doesn't mean he's going to be at his best. I think Pac would beat Cotto handily at 147 and that victory would have a lot more credibility than one at 145. Like it or not, if this fight takes place anywhere below 147, it will always have an asterix beside it in many peoples eyes.

yea ofcourse the nuetral fans would be like cotto was shot and couldn't pull the trigger at 145 right?

Pac wins, he gets another big win over a great fighter plus his 7th division title. Thats what the history book would read, not what the bias fans would say

People will say similar things about a Cotto fight at 145 as they do about the ODH fight and it will delegitimize what should be an extremely impressive accomplishment. Take this thread for example, look at how people still talk about Leonard - Lalonde. Cotto has reportedly had some difficulties making 147 and he was an emaciated ghost at 140. Making him come to 145 will potentially reduce his energy and punch resistance and if it looks that way during the fight people are going to be bringing it up whenever his victory is discussed. I feel Pacquiao would beat Cotto at 147, so I want to see the fight take place at a weight that allows both fighters to perform to the best of their abilities.

I would also like to say that I agree with Killer, catchweight as fine as long as both fighters agree to them, but title should never be on the line in such situations.

And if you're called me a "bias fan", I would remind you that I have stated on several occasions that I feel Pac is an all-time great fighter and that if he beats two of Mosley, Mayweather, and Cotto (excluding catchweights for Cotto and Mosley) that I would consider him in the top 5 - 10 fighters ever.