Can one really be ranked P4P when you demand catch weights?

[Hulk]

The catchweights are bullshit.

Theres no two ways about it.

Why is there so much hate about catchweights?

I mean what's important is that the best fighters face each other, and do so at the weight that is healthiest for both of them?

The alphabet belts and even weights divisions don't mean anything in the great scheme of things, both are creations of man to help give the sport a sense of order but they are nothing more than that.

If Manny was to fight and beat Miguel Cotto at 143 for example it would make no difference at all to the merit of the win than were it fought at 140 or 147 imo.

They are still fighting each other, and 143 would be the best compromise.

We shouldn't let entirely man made organisational constructs like weight divisions and belts get in the way of making the best fights.

That's just letting beaurocracy blind your senses and stopping you from enjoying the great fights.

What matters in boxing is the best fighters fighting the best fighters. Belts and weight classes are there to help organise that process and provide a structure but they shouldn't supersede the main goal of putting on the best fights.

Well my JFAT Alliance brother, I must disagree.

Boxing Gloves are man made contructions.

So are mouth pieces.

And rounds.

Why don't we just have them fight it out to the death to see who is TRULY the best?

lol

The weight classes are there for a reason.

Cotto has been fighting at 147 for a few years now and if Pacquaio wants to fight him, then he can fight him at HIS weight.

Not make him drain and starve himself down to a weight that gives pac man an advantage over him before they even step in the ring.

That is not the Christian way.

And Pacquaio is a devout Catholic from what I understand.

[JonesJrMayweather]

The catchweights are bullshit.

Theres no two ways about it.

Why is there so much hate about catchweights?

I mean what's important is that the best fighters face each other, and do so at the weight that is healthiest for both of them?

The alphabet belts and even weights divisions don't mean anything in the great scheme of things, both are creations of man to help give the sport a sense of order but they are nothing more than that.

If Manny was to fight and beat Miguel Cotto at 143 for example it would make no difference at all to the merit of the win than were it fought at 140 or 147 imo.

They are still fighting each other, and 143 would be the best compromise.

We shouldn't let entirely man made organisational constructs like weight divisions and belts get in the way of making the best fights.

That's just letting beaurocracy blind your senses and stopping you from enjoying the great fights.

What matters in boxing is the best fighters fighting the best fighters. Belts and weight classes are there to help organise that process and provide a structure but they shouldn't supersede the main goal of putting on the best fights.

Well my JFAT Alliance brother, I must disagree.

Boxing Gloves are man made contructions.

So are mouth pieces.

And rounds.

Why don't we just have them fight it out to the death to see who is TRULY the best?

lol

The weight classes are there for a reason.

Cotto has been fighting at 147 for a few years now and if Pacquaio wants to fight him, then he can fight him at HIS weight.

Not make him drain and starve himself down to a weight that gives pac man an advantage over him before they even step in the ring.

That is not the Christian way.

And Pacquaio is a devout Catholic from what I understand.

[/ loved the sarcasm at the end.

[Kev]

The catchweights are bullshit.

Theres no two ways about it.

Why is there so much hate about catchweights?

I mean what's important is that the best fighters face each other, and do so at the weight that is healthiest for both of them?

The alphabet belts and even weights divisions don't mean anything in the great scheme of things, both are creations of man to help give the sport a sense of order but they are nothing more than that.

If Manny was to fight and beat Miguel Cotto at 143 for example it would make no difference at all to the merit of the win than were it fought at 140 or 147 imo.

They are still fighting each other, and 143 would be the best compromise.

We shouldn't let entirely man made organisational constructs like weight divisions and belts get in the way of making the best fights.

That's just letting beaurocracy blind your senses and stopping you from enjoying the great fights.

What matters in boxing is the best fighters fighting the best fighters. Belts and weight classes are there to help organise that process and provide a structure but they shouldn't supersede the main goal of putting on the best fights.

Well my JFAT Alliance brother, I must disagree.

Boxing Gloves are man made contructions.

So are mouth pieces.

And rounds.

Why don't we just have them fight it out to the death to see who is TRULY the best?

lol

The weight classes are there for a reason.

Cotto has been fighting at 147 for a few years now and if Pacquaio wants to fight him, then he can fight him at HIS weight.

Not make him drain and starve himself down to a weight that gives pac man an advantage over him before they even step in the ring.

That is not the Christian way.

And Pacquaio is a devout Catholic from what I understand.

Nah I don't agree with that at all. There is no 'his' weight for any fighter.

Your argument is kind of lost on me to be honest. The ONLY reason we have weight divisions and mouthguards is for health and safety. If all mankind weighed the same, or if the size and weight of humans made no difference to boxing performance we would have no weight classses at all, do you agree?

It would be like tennis, golf, chess etc with everybody competing against everybody, no allowances made for size. That would be preferable and ideal.

Unfortunately size does make a difference so the weight classes were invented purely to allow little guys to have fights and be competitive, a weight class for everybody to fight in.

But its man made and artificial. Mouthgaurds are only there for health and safety too, if they wern't needed we would get rid of them.

Shorts are there for public decency and to protect a mans bits from view (and harm) whilst the gloves, although originally for public safety are now very much a feature of how boxing is fought. It would fundamentally change the nature of how boxers fight if you took the gloves away, basically turning boxing into something else, bare knuckle fighting which is a different sport.

Back to the weights, as I said ultimately they are only there to serve man, to allow smaller guys to fight each other. They exist for NO other reason tham to facilitate competition between guys smaller than heavyweight.

So in a sense your argument is illogical as now you are seeking to prevent a fight taking place when the only reason weight classes exist is to allow these fights to happen.

You say Pacquaio should move up and fight at 147 to beat Cotto in HIS weight class but why? I personally couldn't care less if Manny beats Miguel at 147 lbs or 143 lbs, what matters is that they fight at an agreed weight.

If Cotto was too drained at 143 then he can reject the fight, likewise if Manny feels 147 is too big he can reject the fight but allowing them to fight at a catchweight at least gives them more leverage and the chance for this incredible fight to happen.

Weight classes is just a way to facilitate the possibility of arranging fights don't let it become a stumbling block!

Remember my Christian friend and take heed of the Jews who for almost two thousand years were commanded by God to carry out the sacrifices and rituals that made them aware of their sin and their need for salvation and a Saviour.

When their Saviour did come, Jesus the Christ, to free them from their bondage of ritual and sacrifice they rejected Him on account of him violating the very laws He created to make them aware of their sin and need for God's power to deliver them from it!

This is typical of mankind! Rituals (and weight classes) are created to serve our needs and we choose to become slaves to them and willingly enter in to bondage!

The weight that Cotto and Manny fight at IS NOT IMPORTANT, what matters is THAT THEY DO!

[mnmc10]

Cotto has been fighting at 147 for a few years now and if Pacquaio wants to fight him, then he can fight him at HIS weight.

Not make him drain and starve himself down to a weight that gives pac man an advantage over him before they even step in the ring.

That is not the Christian way.

And Pacquaio is a devout Catholic from what I understand.

it works both ways you know? remember pac is a midget, naturally bigger guys is an advantage for them already. if pac fights cotto at 147 then the advantage obviously goes to cotto. bring the weight down a little then its fair for the both of them. well except for jmm, i would love to see them fight one more time.

and isnt this supposed to be in the manny thread?

pac is a midget lets not forget that, he is giving us boxing fans a favor by fighting bigger guys. we wouldnt be enjoying his fights if he fights guy of the same size as him cause we all know what will happen. except for jmm i would love to see them fight again!


isnt this supposed to be in the pac thread? or the pac thread is just for spam?