Would Juan Manuel Marquez's Brother Have Done Better Against Manny Pacquiao P4P ?

[Violent Demise]

I didn't back track, I just never mentioned pacquiao's right hand, you didn't read what I was saying and you assumed when I was talkign about Pacquiao that I was talking about the right hand when I was talking about the cross. Second you have no idea about how much Rafael Marquez I've watched, I guarantee I watch more fights than you do. Also when was Mark Johnson a legitimate p4p fighter? I can easily name 10-15 guys better than him at any period in his career, he hadn't foughten anybody before Rafael Marquez, he didn't have credibility, there are so many better fighters that were out there in the late 90's and early 00's.

I rest my case. If you knew who Johnson was you would not make such a stupid statement. This is exactly why I tell you muthafukkas to actually watch a fighter fight. Instead of just reading his record. That way you can have your own opinion about him instead of going off some one else. And it stops you from making stupid posts that make you look like an idiot

Mark Johnson was a badass back in the day. He wasn't at his best versus Rafa but also 118 was a bit much.

JMM's just the better of the brothers IMO, P4P at their best I'd always take Pacquaio over Rafa. If you want to get into 122 and all that I'd still probably take Pacquaio but he's improved a lot over the fighter he was there.

He did comeback to hand Fernando Montiel his first loss. So he was obviously still an excellent fighter

True but that was at 115 and I still think Montiel choked a bit in that fight. Johnson was a great 112 pounder.

I actually think Montiel rally to pull it out at the end by a point. But it was no robbery. And it clearly showed Johnson wasn't done

I didn't back track, I just never mentioned pacquiao's right hand, you didn't read what I was saying and you assumed when I was talkign about Pacquiao that I was talking about the right hand when I was talking about the cross. Second you have no idea about how much Rafael Marquez I've watched, I guarantee I watch more fights than you do. Also when was Mark Johnson a legitimate p4p fighter? I can easily name 10-15 guys better than him at any period in his career, he hadn't foughten anybody before Rafael Marquez, he didn't have credibility, there are so many better fighters that were out there in the late 90's and early 00's.

I rest my case. If you knew who Johnson was you would not make such a stupid statement. This is exactly why I tell you muthafukkas to actually watch a fighter fight. Instead of just reading his record. That way you can have your own opinion about him instead of going off some one else. And it stops you from making stupid posts that make you look like an idiot

Mark Johnson was a badass back in the day. He wasn't at his best versus Rafa but also 118 was a bit much.

JMM's just the better of the brothers IMO, P4P at their best I'd always take Pacquaio over Rafa. If you want to get into 122 and all that I'd still probably take Pacquaio but he's improved a lot over the fighter he was there.

He did comeback to hand Fernando Montiel his first loss. So he was obviously still an excellent fighter

I watch way more boxing than you do Violent stop being a dumb ass

Anyone who knows boxing knows
Lennox Lewis
Winky Wright
Oscar Dela Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Marco Antonio Barrera
Floyd Mayweather
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Eric Morales
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Are all better than Mark Johnson, there is a reason he isn't going into the hall of fame.

Yet your the person who says Mark Johnson is better than all these guys who most of which were near their prime around this period.

Manny was an absolute beast at 122, Rafael hasn't had the same chance to beat lesser opponents at the weight, but Manny naturally bigger stronger, faster, and while Rafael is better technically, he isn't better technically than Barrera who Pacquiao chewed up. If Rafael fought the version of Manny who was at 122, but was naturally the bigger man it might be a different story, but coming up like he has to 122, he isn't as powerful, and Vazquez isn't what Pacquiao was at 122, he doesn't hit as hard, he's not as quick, and he isn't southpaw.

If you came to that conclusion based on my posts than your a bigger idiot than I orignally thought. And that's pretty fukking big. When exactly did I say Johnson was better than the fighters listed? I said he was a p4p fighter. Which he was. There's a difference. Anybody that seen Johnson fight knows he's not the crap fighter your trying to make him out to be. He was an outstanding fighter.

You can make all the claims you want. But I figuered you out a long time ago. You know about the mainstream fighters. And that's pretty much it. You only know what's popular. The fact that you would use Jones-Trinidad as an example for anything positive still makes laugh

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I rest my case. If you knew who Johnson was you would not make such a stupid statement. This is exactly why I tell you muthafukkas to actually watch a fighter fight. Instead of just reading his record. That way you can have your own opinion about him instead of going off some one else. And it stops you from making stupid posts that make you look like an idiot



He did comeback to hand Fernando Montiel his first loss. So he was obviously still an excellent fighter

True but that was at 115 and I still think Montiel choked a bit in that fight. Johnson was a great 112 pounder.

I actually think Montiel rally to pull it out at the end by a point. But it was no robbery. And it clearly showed Johnson wasn't done

I rest my case. If you knew who Johnson was you would not make such a stupid statement. This is exactly why I tell you muthafukkas to actually watch a fighter fight. Instead of just reading his record. That way you can have your own opinion about him instead of going off some one else. And it stops you from making stupid posts that make you look like an idiot



He did comeback to hand Fernando Montiel his first loss. So he was obviously still an excellent fighter

I watch way more boxing than you do Violent stop being a dumb ass

Anyone who knows boxing knows
Lennox Lewis
Winky Wright
Oscar Dela Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Marco Antonio Barrera
Floyd Mayweather
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Eric Morales
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Are all better than Mark Johnson, there is a reason he isn't going into the hall of fame.

Yet your the person who says Mark Johnson is better than all these guys who most of which were near their prime around this period.

Manny was an absolute beast at 122, Rafael hasn't had the same chance to beat lesser opponents at the weight, but Manny naturally bigger stronger, faster, and while Rafael is better technically, he isn't better technically than Barrera who Pacquiao chewed up. If Rafael fought the version of Manny who was at 122, but was naturally the bigger man it might be a different story, but coming up like he has to 122, he isn't as powerful, and Vazquez isn't what Pacquiao was at 122, he doesn't hit as hard, he's not as quick, and he isn't southpaw.

If you came to that conclusion based on my posts than your a bigger idiot than I orignally thought. And that's pretty fukking big. When exactly did I say Johnson was better than the fighters listed? I said he was a p4p fighter. Which he was. There's a difference. Anybody that seen Johnson fight knows he's not the crap fighter your trying to make him out to be. He was an outstanding fighter.

You can make all the claims you want. But I figuered you out a long time ago. You know about the mainstream fighters. And that's pretty much it. You only know what's popular. The fact that you would use Jones-Trinidad as an example for anything positive still makes laugh

How am I suppose to say Roy Jones Jr's cross is still potent without using recent fights? You really must not be capable thinking very hard because your linear logic is getting redundant. Also I didn't say Mark Johnson wasn't a good fighter, I am just saying no way in hell should he have been p4p at that point, he had a lot of talent, but he didn't have the competition to prove he was a great fighter, there is a difference. Being p4p on the ring magazine list is pointless, they often put guys who don't deserve to be on it, there because
1) Guys on the list lose to good fighters and get dropped down much too quickly.
2) Fighters can be popular coming up, but they haven't proven themselves yet.
3) Bad choices.

Your admitting that he should be way up there, so I don't see the point argueing further, all you can do is resort to name calling because you can't have a decent debate about fighters, I wouldn't mind the name calling if you came up with intelligent arguements, but you don't. You think you know everything about me, you think you know so much about boxing, but you obviously don't or you would be able to come up with valid points.