Would Juan Manuel Marquez's Brother Have Done Better Against Manny Pacquiao P4P ?

[mad_takamura]

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

the p4p fighter you're mentioning is izzy vasquez and to tell you as a matter of factly izzy is the former sparring mate of manny! at that level since he was the sparring partner of manny, and since he ko'ed rafa, then pac could also do it if not more easily.

it's not really power that can beat manny if ever they met at that same weight back then. it's intelligence. jmm made a fight out of manny because he studied manny's moves, seen the right angles etc. and countered him brilliantly.in short he did it with brains and what is more impressive was he did it under pressure. rafa is not as smart as his brother. imo under pressure just like what happened to the izzy fight, and considering manny as more agressive, and in fact more powerful in the 122pnds than izzy, it's him who will get ktfo not manny! vd i thought you know your idols well? it seems it's your blind nuthuggery that keep stretching the facts huh?

rafa is indeed durable. if you studied his demeanor and compared it to jmm kd (pac-jmm 1)to rafa kd or tko by izzy, rafa looks more disoriented than jmm. his legs were wobbly, his face red, his eyes is not there, you're even lucky the referee stopped the fight or he could have suffered serious damage! jmm in that fight which was called a draw, stood up and iv'e seen his legs not wobbly unlike his brother. taeth was right rafa really have a suspect jaw1 it seems facing power punchers there is a good chance rafa will get ktfo!

plus all the tko loss of pac happened due to body shots. he did get kd before, but it's you who said that that was the past and pac is not the same fighter anymore. saying rafa will ko pac with his right hand is like saying he should be ranked higher than his brother p4p! you gotta be an illusionist!

well said.

btw, you can't expect an intelligent answer from VD all the time. When pac is involved, even if the opponent is Agapito Sanchez, he'd say Pac will get demolished. AS far as I can remember, he hasn't predicted correctly any pac fight.

lastly, I won't make a comment regarding hypothetical matches especially matches that won't happen(e.g. Pac vs RM) coz it's simply not practical. IMO.

Answers would usually be biased and sometimes debaters come to a point of even disrespecting fighters just to win an argument.

Had pac not won against Diaz, DLH and Hatton, can we be truly convinced that he will win against Rafa? Our judgements are usually tainted with a fighter's current performance and I've seen it happening here in Saddo countless times already.

Pac will have a hard time against Rafa for sure.

vd always talk about hypothetical matches because that's where he feels safe. like a little kid in some mother's bosom.

[CFH]

the p4p fighter you're mentioning is izzy vasquez and to tell you as a matter of factly izzy is the former sparring mate of manny! at that level since he was the sparring partner of manny, and since he ko'ed rafa, then pac could also do it if not more easily.

it's not really power that can beat manny if ever they met at that same weight back then. it's intelligence. jmm made a fight out of manny because he studied manny's moves, seen the right angles etc. and countered him brilliantly.in short he did it with brains and what is more impressive was he did it under pressure. rafa is not as smart as his brother. imo under pressure just like what happened to the izzy fight, and considering manny as more agressive, and in fact more powerful in the 122pnds than izzy, it's him who will get ktfo not manny! vd i thought you know your idols well? it seems it's your blind nuthuggery that keep stretching the facts huh?

rafa is indeed durable. if you studied his demeanor and compared it to jmm kd (pac-jmm 1)to rafa kd or tko by izzy, rafa looks more disoriented than jmm. his legs were wobbly, his face red, his eyes is not there, you're even lucky the referee stopped the fight or he could have suffered serious damage! jmm in that fight which was called a draw, stood up and iv'e seen his legs not wobbly unlike his brother. taeth was right rafa really have a suspect jaw1 it seems facing power punchers there is a good chance rafa will get ktfo!

plus all the tko loss of pac happened due to body shots. he did get kd before, but it's you who said that that was the past and pac is not the same fighter anymore. saying rafa will ko pac with his right hand is like saying he should be ranked higher than his brother p4p! you gotta be an illusionist!

well said.

btw, you can't expect an intelligent answer from VD all the time. When pac is involved, even if the opponent is Agapito Sanchez, he'd say Pac will get demolished. AS far as I can remember, he hasn't predicted correctly any pac fight.

lastly, I won't make a comment regarding hypothetical matches especially matches that won't happen(e.g. Pac vs RM) coz it's simply not practical. IMO.

Answers would usually be biased and sometimes debaters come to a point of even disrespecting fighters just to win an argument.

Had pac not won against Diaz, DLH and Hatton, can we be truly convinced that he will win against Rafa? Our judgements are usually tainted with a fighter's current performance and I've seen it happening here in Saddo countless times already.

Pac will have a hard time against Rafa for sure.

vd always talk about hypothetical matches because that's where he feels safe. like a little kid in some mother's bosom.

Bruce?

[LEGION]

well said.

btw, you can't expect an intelligent answer from VD all the time. When pac is involved, even if the opponent is Agapito Sanchez, he'd say Pac will get demolished. AS far as I can remember, he hasn't predicted correctly any pac fight.

lastly, I won't make a comment regarding hypothetical matches especially matches that won't happen(e.g. Pac vs RM) coz it's simply not practical. IMO.

Answers would usually be biased and sometimes debaters come to a point of even disrespecting fighters just to win an argument.

Had pac not won against Diaz, DLH and Hatton, can we be truly convinced that he will win against Rafa? Our judgements are usually tainted with a fighter's current performance and I've seen it happening here in Saddo countless times already.

Pac will have a hard time against Rafa for sure.

vd always talk about hypothetical matches because that's where he feels safe. like a little kid in some mother's bosom.

Bruce?

You know bro'; I almost posted the exact same thing earlier but said f#ck it.