Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"

[knodaledge]

Yeah but to be fair. Oscar and Hatton have HUGE followings. I'm pretty sure both Audiences in attendance were Pro Opposition.

In terms of PPV buys it's obviously harder to determine who the buyers were following but no doubt Oscar Dela Hoya and Ricky Hatton brought a shit load to the table in terms of Buying power.... The fact that Floyds most recent fight aint selling so well further supports my point.

But Oscar/Hatton had the same HUGE followings when they fought Pacquiao. Why did they only do half the sales then?

We can only take from these numbers that, to the public, fights between Oscar/Mayweather & Hatton/Mayweather were more intriguing than Oscar/Pac & Hatton/Pac matches.

Also, were the reports of the fight not selling true? I remember hearing rumors but no evidence was presented. I read a report from a Golden Boy rep that said the rumors were false. Are they still rumor or were they proven fact?

Like I've said real fight fans just wanna see a good fight, most don't care who gets the lions share but the diehard fanboys of either fighters.

I don't give a shit if Pacman gets 40% of the purse or Floyd gets 60% of it and vice versa, I just want to see a good fight.

Are you working for Floyd?

Actually i'm not. I'm just a fan of boxing and would like to see this match happen because it is the best fight possible and would determine which fighter will claim the "boxer of the decade" throne.

All i see is one guy calling out the other, and the other saying nothing about it. One guy willing to pay out of pocket to make his #2 ranked opponent get out of the way so he can get at the #1 guy, and the other guy saying nothing.

The money thing shouldn't be the deciding factor for Pacquiao & his camp. The proof has been presented and the bottom line, the profit, favors Mayweather.

I'm a fan of both fighters and would support both of them but there should be no reason why this isn't being negotiated. Mayweather said he wants it, does Pacquiao? If this fight doesn't happen, who should we blame? The guy saying he's willing to pay out of pocket to get it or the guy who hasn't even issued a statement about it yet?

[LEGION]

What happened to Floyd wanting a "tune-up" fight to ease back in the game? If Floyd wanted Pac that bad maybe he should have waited until after Pac beat Hatton to come out of retirement, instead of announcing his fight with JMM right before the Hatton/Pac fight. I'm sure had that been the case the Mayweather/Pac fight could have been made by now.

[knodaledge]

^But why can't it be done now? Pacquiao isnt signed to fight anybody, in fact he's looking for an opponent. Mayweather is willing to pay out of pocket to free himself to fight Pacquiao.

I just want to see the effort from Pacquiao & his people to get this fight signed. This is the fight the people want, he's wifdely regarded as a people's champ. Give the people what they want. Or atleast make an effort to.

[LEGION]

^But why can't it be done now? Pacquiao isnt signed to fight anybody, in fact he's looking for an opponent. Mayweather is willing to pay out of pocket to free himself to fight Pacquiao.

I just want to see the effort from Pacquiao & his people to get this fight signed. This is the fight the people want, he's wifdely regarded as a people's champ. Give the people what they want. Or atleast make an effort to.

I'm with you man; I'd love to see the fight. It could be done now; but the Cotto negotiations are still going on so who knows? I'm just saying some of this could have been alleviated if Floyd and his "tune up" fight would have been put on the back burner. Just cause' Floyd says "jump" now doesn't mean Pac should. Maybe that's it; Pac's camp being stubborn. How would I know?

[OumaFan]

knodaledge you do realize JMM has a say in this right?

Some people are taking this offhand comment from Floyd too seriously, its not happening. The Floyd/Pac debate starts for real after the JMM fight, if he wins obviously.

[LEGION]

knodaledge you do realize JMM has a say in this right?

Some people are taking this offhand comment from Floyd too seriously, its not happening. The Floyd/Pac debate starts for real after the JMM fight, if he wins obviously.

Good. And yeah I know and said yesterday I hope JMM says hell no to the take a walk $$$ just to spite him. It's insulting to me. But what if he takes the money to walk? What then?

[OumaFan]

I'd be pretty shocked. I know its a free million dollars but JMM is a fighter who thinks he has a chance to win (I'm sure) and he gets 4 million for fighting. This could be his last huge payday, 3 mill more is a big difference. And I don't really know who he can big money with outside of these two, maybe by brutalizing Ricky.

If it does well that changes things

[knodaledge]

knodaledge you do realize JMM has a say in this right?

Some people are taking this offhand comment from Floyd too seriously, its not happening. The Floyd/Pac debate starts for real after the JMM fight, if he wins obviously.

He does have a say, but not enough of a say to stop a Pac/Mayweather fight. Mayweather could just decide he's not going to fight JMM. He'll breach contract & I'm sure he'll have to pay a monetary penalty & maybe even take a ban in nevada, but the fight could be sanctioned anywhere. No body in their right mind would refuse to allow a Pac/Mayweather match.

There's ways around contracts & if it brings about the BEST FIGHT POSSIBLE, I'm all for it.

Again, I dont think Pacquiao MUST take the fight. If the stipulations aren't worthy, fine. But his people should at least be pushing for it now. Issue a statement at least.

[OumaFan]

knodaledge you do realize JMM has a say in this right?

Some people are taking this offhand comment from Floyd too seriously, its not happening. The Floyd/Pac debate starts for real after the JMM fight, if he wins obviously.

He does have a say, but not enough of a say to stop a Pac/Mayweather fight. Mayweather could just decide he's not going to fight JMM. He'll breach contract & I'm sure he'll have to pay a monetary penalty & maybe even take a ban in nevada, but the fight could be sanctioned anywhere. No body in their right mind would refuse to allow a Pac/Mayweather match.

There's ways around contracts & if it brings about the BEST FIGHT POSSIBLE, I'm all for it.

Again, I dont think Pacquiao MUST take the fight. If the stipulations aren't worthy, fine. But his people should at least be pushing for it now. Issue a statement at least.

I seriously doubt Pacquaio's people are going to issue a statement (its not a magic wand anyway) urging Floyd to breach his contract with JMM.

Everyone knows this fight is going to be on the table soon assuming Floyd wins and assuming Pac wins if he even fights before that, I assume he will. There's too much money on the table for Pacquaio's people to not go after it and vice versa.

Anyway if Floyd had wanted to fight Manny in his first fight back he would have waited till the day after the Hatton fight to decide who he was going to fight. I doubt there are serious discussions to get out of the JMM fight unless the fight is doing extremely poorly economically. I don't really know how poorly its doing.

[mnmc10]

one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.

[knodaledge]

one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.

This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?

In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.

The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.

We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.

[Dr. Steelhammer]

Knodaledge. That was then, this is now. Stop living the past. Stop thinking like Floyd. Pac is the draw right at the moment so he's the one who'll calling the shot and not Floyd. Floyd is still retired as far as I'm concern. He will get to unretire himself OFFICIALLY after he fights JMM. Capisce?

[LEGION]

one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.

This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?

In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.

The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.

We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.

But also, even though it's difficult to dispute facts, Floyd has been gone for what? 1 1/2 years? Manny's been making more of a household name for himself, and now here comes Floyd wanting to just come right back where he left off. I don't think he deserves to just pop back in and demand more than Pac; past records for PPV or not. Should at least be 50/50; and I'd find it just fine if Pac got 60/40. That's just my take on it. And Manny sure as hell beat those 2 past opponents of Floyd in much more convincing fashion; people remember that as far as deciding who is more entertaining{casual fans at least}imo.

[The Congressman]

Pac was busy climbing division after division, beating naturally bigger guys while Floyd is sitting pretty owing the IRS, busy getting broke. Then Floyd unretire and want to fight a naturally small JMM. And he's suppose to get the lion share after against Pac now? Lol!

[mnmc10]

one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.

This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?

In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.

The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.

We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.

look, pbf was the best back then its pacs turn now. they both fought hatton and odlh and you know that pac performed better than pbf against those guys. yes pbf pulled more buys than pac but pac was a HUGE underdog on the odlh fight people didnt wasted money thinking that it would be a one sided beating odlh way.

on the hatton fight pac has an edge but people never expected a 2nd round ko by pac. lets also not forget that we are suffering from world crisis now people doesnt pay up for boxing as much as before.

now that pbf unretired AGAIN, jmm/pbf is not selling great. while pac just came out of an outstanding ko of hatton. weighing everything who do you think deserves the lions share?