Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!

[BlackHawk]

The weigh-in should take place in the morning. Pacquiao is giving Cotto's weigh advantage. Remember Pacquiao highest weight is 148 lbs while Cotto can rehydrate at 160lbs.

145 lbs is reasonable but it should take place the weigh in in the morning.

[JazMerkin]

The weigh-in should take place in the morning. Pacquiao is giving Cotto's weigh advantage. Remember Pacquiao highest weight is 148 lbs while Cotto can rehydrate at 160lbs.

145 lbs is reasonable but it should take place the weigh in in the morning.

Lol, what do you think Pacquiao could do that was unreasonable? Having a pair of knuckle-dusters for handwraps? Being allowed to use an axe?

God, that Cotto is unreasonable having standard weigh-in rules

[Taeth]

i don't see Pac beating Cotto period

Cotto's not as slow as some are making him out to be, he has awesome timing to make up for the slight edge in speed that goes to Pac, IMO Cotto's the harder hitting stronger guy, he has no problems with southpaw, infact he fights very well in the southpaw stance himself, so his constant switching could actually cause Manny problems

Cotto has only foughten good southpaws though, and He looked great against Quintana, but he didn't look great against Judah in many parts of that fight, and its not just a slight speed edge for Manny, he is way faster, especially in his footspeed which Quintana didn't have and Judah didn't use.

That is why Oscar and Hatton had nobody to land on. Also timing works against speed when the guy with doesn't have superior timing, when that is the case it only works against the other fighter. Manny is great at getting in quickly, landing one punch, and getting out.

I do agree that Cotto is far too great of a fighter to be written off, but his chances IMO can't be higher than 30%, but I could definitely see him ko'ing Manny if he is able to cut off the ring, which I don't think he will be able to do.

[skel1983]

The weigh-in should take place in the morning. Pacquiao is giving Cotto's weigh advantage. Remember Pacquiao highest weight is 148 lbs while Cotto can rehydrate at 160lbs.

145 lbs is reasonable but it should take place the weigh in in the morning.

Why should it?? Your going on as if Pac is a featherweight or something? Hes the number 1 fighter at 140 lbs hes going up in weight that many fighters do, because he is the cash cow in this fight and p4p number 1 he has been able to negotiate the fight 145. I think with the current situation its a fair weight.

[AdamGB]

I understand well formated sarcasm, but when it makes no sense I don't understand it.

Anyways IMO 145 can help Cotto because it will make his movement a little quicker which is the only chance he has of catching Pacquiao, even if he was as fast as he was at 140, I just can't see Miguel cutting the distance as quick as Manny can expand it.

It did have the sarcasm () smiley next to it, that should have been the dead giveaway

I don't think 145 will help Cotto, but I don't see it majorly hindering him. Pacquiao beats him though, my only concern is both guys are fairly strong starters & can fade off a bit, so that might play into one of their hands

Nice to see you on board now Adam and are finally agreeing with me that a 145 catchweight was no big deal.

Rains was being sarcastic though, he was rolling his eyes at the likes of you who in the past made posts telling us that even a single pound was critical and that Cotto would be a shell of a fighter if he fought at anything less than welterweight

Now you're even hoping for more catchweight fights with Mosely at 145, interesting turn around.

Don't start with me...

Can you find a quote from me were I said that Cotto would be a 'shell of a fighter' for dropping one pound?

I was saying that even a pound COULD be a big factor depending on the fighter... and that still reigns true.

my point was not too say that an individual fighter can't possibly lose a single pound... but that each one can be significant... every one past a certain point represents fluids and sugars drained from organs.

All I've wanted to do is make Pac's fans 100% clear of his intentions in getting people to drop weight for him now that he is up to welterweight (sort of...) and that is a stone cold fact... I've not even criticism him for doing it... I've said, countless times... fairplay to him for sorting a mega fight under the fight conditions... his fans talk about him as if he is holier than jesus christ though.

There have been multiple weights talked about for two fighters of completely different stature... Do I think Cotto can do drop a pound? Do I think he'd be drained below 143? Do I think Mosely is tight at 147 and may struggle to go lower? Do I think a Mosely fight at 140 would be crazy and Cotto may struggle too?

Possibly

(Do you purposefully not read the ifs, coulds, cans and mays in posts so you can be more belligerent )

But I don't even profuse to know how well Cotto will do at getting down to any weight... I know what possibilities there are and I know what factors his team will be up against in getting him down to any weight... When will I know if they've pulled it off or not? FIGHT NIGHT... the same as everybody else.

And yeah... I said I'd like to see Pac-Mosely at 145... two things you (suprisingly ) didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that I said IF Mosely could do the weight and also the large amount of blatant sarcasm (thanks for pointing out that he was being sarcastic btw... ) from me saying that Arum had made 145 seem like such a good deal.

Now go and scuttle off and try and quote me as saying that 145 would definitely be too much for cotto.

You created an entire thread telling us how you hated the way Pacquaio was blatently trying to weight drain fighters, saying if it was about ahievement or respect he'd move up to the weight and fight them properly.

Here's one quote from you

I'm sure plenty of people can and will disagree with this but there is one thing I keep on hearing from people who clearly have very little knowledge of human physiology and a boxer's weight making process - "What difference will a pound or two make?".

A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy

Well it seems now you are agreeing with my 'informed' opinion after all.

I've just fucking said that a pound COULD be significant... I said it in that thread and I said it in this thread... change your name to Micheal Moore please, you remind me of him. Why would me knowledge regarding homeostasis change on nothing more than a whim exactly?

No doubt you will now say you're rants wern't to do with Cotto fighting Manny at 145 but about even lower catchweights
lol... Bilbo they weren't... I'm sorry but I can't change that. I wanted to make sure the Pac minions knew what whiter than white Pac's intentions are in asking fighters to drop extra weight (you still haven't answered why he's asked for 145). I have never mady any cement predictions regarding outcomes... just intentions... hence the fact that all you've been able to come out with is a quote about me talking about weight loss in general.

Again with the Micheal Moorer crap... you know my posting wasn't specific, yet you used the quote anyway... trying to embarass me out of countering your argument by pre-emptivly saying "I know you're going to say-" nice attempt at tactics/debate skills... but your bullshit won't work.
but the FACTS are you bitched and moaned about this fight being made saying Manny was doing it to drain Cotto
No Bilbo... for fucks sake come on... again do you just not register words like if, could or may? His intention is to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down... I have never said if this will work or not and what weight he would have to ask for to do it... again just his intention
and when I insisited it was a great fight (at 145) you created an entire thread as to why you disagreed.
No... I created an entire thread when posters with little to no knowledge of human physiology were making ludicrous statements that draining a pound of fluids and glycogen from a person's already dehydrated body would be insignificant. I even said that if Pac beat Cotto it would be a GREAT achievment but that it would be down a notch from if it wasn't at a catchweight... so yeah, not only was that not the point point of my postings but it's basically the complete opposite to what you just said. I can see the shit you're trying to pull here but it won't work because I know EXACTLY what I've said. <3
All of my arguments related to this have been specifically about Manny fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 lbs. I have never waivered from that so what were you actually disagreeing with me over?
Are you a little Butt hurt because I mentioned you in the thread? Get over yourself... a few people made smiliar 'what's a few pounds going to do" type posts... I just happened to remember yours. You could have spent all day talking about Yettis bilbo... that wouldn't magically make my post regarding Yettis though... I clearly outlined in my post that I was talking about the hypothetical loss of an extra pound... in no specific fight... I even explained that this was because Pac's catchweights and the hypothetical outcomes for various fighters can be discussed to death. basic physiology cannot.
If you too think at 145 matchup between the pair is a great fight then why all the toy throwing and hissy fits about it?

I've been proven correct. A catchweight at 145 lbs IS a great fight, one that virtually everyone wants to see.
hahahah! no you haven't!
Any talk about catchweights at 142 or 143 or whether Mosely can go under 147 is completely irelevent,
lol... yeah! they are... regarding a fight between cotto at 145 anyway
nobody but you every brought them up.
lol... ok... so are you telling me that when I was either talking about general physiology to try and educate the likes of you or Shane's ability to hit catchweights that I was actually talking about Cotto? lol... I guess they need to fire your/my school's english teachers then
I have only ever spoke specifically about a fight at 145 lbs between Cotto and Manny and you disagreed every single time I said it was a great fight.
I belive I've addressed this already... my intention was for pac's minions to understand what his intentions were.... not tear the fight to peices.
But now you don't.

Nice try...

Also, again... please explain to me in detail, Pac's intention in making Cotto lose a pound.

Seeing as we both know one pound of mass difference on fight night is insignificant and Pac intending to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down is ludicrous accoring to you... then what could his intention be?

[rjj tszyu]

I never thoought this would happen. Good on both men and Arum for seeing sense!

[JazMerkin]

I'm sure there's still a hiccup or two coming in the promotion. Just because Michael Koncz or whoever is flying over that doesn't tell me the fight is definitely getting signed. It was supposedly as good as signed about 3 weeks ago then it all went back & forth again. Once I see them standing together I'll believe it.

[TitoFan]

Obviously I'll be rooting for my hometown boy, Cotto. But much respect to Pacquaio for agreeing to 145, which shouldn't be much of a stretch for Cotto.

I think Cotto will win, if only for his warrior mentality and his resourcefulness. AND... he's got the boxing skills and power to go along with it.

HOWEVER (there's always a catch)... Cotto needs to show the speed he showed against Mosley, and also needs to make sure he brings his "A-game" defense to the fight. Finally, I hope his cut heals well, 'cause its sure to be tested against Manny. Either way... it should be a hell of a fight. Can't wait!!

[Kev]

It did have the sarcasm () smiley next to it, that should have been the dead giveaway

I don't think 145 will help Cotto, but I don't see it majorly hindering him. Pacquiao beats him though, my only concern is both guys are fairly strong starters & can fade off a bit, so that might play into one of their hands

Don't start with me...

Can you find a quote from me were I said that Cotto would be a 'shell of a fighter' for dropping one pound?

I was saying that even a pound COULD be a big factor depending on the fighter... and that still reigns true.

my point was not too say that an individual fighter can't possibly lose a single pound... but that each one can be significant... every one past a certain point represents fluids and sugars drained from organs.

All I've wanted to do is make Pac's fans 100% clear of his intentions in getting people to drop weight for him now that he is up to welterweight (sort of...) and that is a stone cold fact... I've not even criticism him for doing it... I've said, countless times... fairplay to him for sorting a mega fight under the fight conditions... his fans talk about him as if he is holier than jesus christ though.

There have been multiple weights talked about for two fighters of completely different stature... Do I think Cotto can do drop a pound? Do I think he'd be drained below 143? Do I think Mosely is tight at 147 and may struggle to go lower? Do I think a Mosely fight at 140 would be crazy and Cotto may struggle too?

Possibly

(Do you purposefully not read the ifs, coulds, cans and mays in posts so you can be more belligerent )

But I don't even profuse to know how well Cotto will do at getting down to any weight... I know what possibilities there are and I know what factors his team will be up against in getting him down to any weight... When will I know if they've pulled it off or not? FIGHT NIGHT... the same as everybody else.

And yeah... I said I'd like to see Pac-Mosely at 145... two things you (suprisingly ) didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that I said IF Mosely could do the weight and also the large amount of blatant sarcasm (thanks for pointing out that he was being sarcastic btw... ) from me saying that Arum had made 145 seem like such a good deal.

Now go and scuttle off and try and quote me as saying that 145 would definitely be too much for cotto.

You created an entire thread telling us how you hated the way Pacquaio was blatently trying to weight drain fighters, saying if it was about ahievement or respect he'd move up to the weight and fight them properly.

Here's one quote from you

I'm sure plenty of people can and will disagree with this but there is one thing I keep on hearing from people who clearly have very little knowledge of human physiology and a boxer's weight making process - "What difference will a pound or two make?".

A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy

Well it seems now you are agreeing with my 'informed' opinion after all.

I've just fucking said that a pound COULD be significant... I said it in that thread and I said it in this thread... change your name to Micheal Moore please, you remind me of him. Why would me knowledge regarding homeostasis change on nothing more than a whim exactly?

No doubt you will now say you're rants wern't to do with Cotto fighting Manny at 145 but about even lower catchweights
lol... Bilbo they weren't... I'm sorry but I can't change that. I wanted to make sure the Pac minions knew what whiter than white Pac's intentions are in asking fighters to drop extra weight (you still haven't answered why he's asked for 145). I have never mady any cement predictions regarding outcomes... just intentions... hence the fact that all you've been able to come out with is a quote about me talking about weight loss in general.

Again with the Micheal Moorer crap... you know my posting wasn't specific, yet you used the quote anyway... trying to embarass me out of countering your argument by pre-emptivly saying "I know you're going to say-" nice attempt at tactics/debate skills... but your bullshit won't work.
but the FACTS are you bitched and moaned about this fight being made saying Manny was doing it to drain Cotto
No Bilbo... for fucks sake come on... again do you just not register words like if, could or may? His intention is to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down... I have never said if this will work or not and what weight he would have to ask for to do it... again just his intention
and when I insisited it was a great fight (at 145) you created an entire thread as to why you disagreed.
No... I created an entire thread when posters with little to no knowledge of human physiology were making ludicrous statements that draining a pound of fluids and glycogen from a person's already dehydrated body would be insignificant. I even said that if Pac beat Cotto it would be a GREAT achievment but that it would be down a notch from if it wasn't at a catchweight... so yeah, not only was that not the point point of my postings but it's basically the complete opposite to what you just said. I can see the shit you're trying to pull here but it won't work because I know EXACTLY what I've said. <3
All of my arguments related to this have been specifically about Manny fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 lbs. I have never waivered from that so what were you actually disagreeing with me over?
Are you a little Butt hurt because I mentioned you in the thread? Get over yourself... a few people made smiliar 'what's a few pounds going to do" type posts... I just happened to remember yours. You could have spent all day talking about Yettis bilbo... that wouldn't magically make my post regarding Yettis though... I clearly outlined in my post that I was talking about the hypothetical loss of an extra pound... in no specific fight... I even explained that this was because Pac's catchweights and the hypothetical outcomes for various fighters can be discussed to death. basic physiology cannot.
If you too think at 145 matchup between the pair is a great fight then why all the toy throwing and hissy fits about it?

I've been proven correct. A catchweight at 145 lbs IS a great fight, one that virtually everyone wants to see.
hahahah! no you haven't!
Any talk about catchweights at 142 or 143 or whether Mosely can go under 147 is completely irelevent,
lol... yeah! they are... regarding a fight between cotto at 145 anyway
nobody but you every brought them up.
lol... ok... so are you telling me that when I was either talking about general physiology to try and educate the likes of you or Shane's ability to hit catchweights that I was actually talking about Cotto? lol... I guess they need to fire your/my school's english teachers then
I have only ever spoke specifically about a fight at 145 lbs between Cotto and Manny and you disagreed every single time I said it was a great fight.
I belive I've addressed this already... my intention was for pac's minions to understand what his intentions were.... not tear the fight to peices.
But now you don't.

Nice try...

Also, again... please explain to me in detail, Pac's intention in making Cotto lose a pound.

Seeing as we both know one pound of mass difference on fight night is insignificant and Pac intending to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down is ludicrous accoring to you... then what could his intention be?

Ok no worries thanks for clearing that up. So everytime you disagreed with my posting about Manny fighting Cotto at 145 lbs being a great fight, you now admit that you responded by posting completely irelevently about Manny fighting other fighters at other catchweights, and that this had no bearing on anything I was saying.

Good at least we agree now.

[AdamGB]

You created an entire thread telling us how you hated the way Pacquaio was blatently trying to weight drain fighters, saying if it was about ahievement or respect he'd move up to the weight and fight them properly.

Here's one quote from you

I'm sure plenty of people can and will disagree with this but there is one thing I keep on hearing from people who clearly have very little knowledge of human physiology and a boxer's weight making process - "What difference will a pound or two make?".

A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy

Well it seems now you are agreeing with my 'informed' opinion after all.

I've just fucking said that a pound COULD be significant... I said it in that thread and I said it in this thread... change your name to Micheal Moore please, you remind me of him. Why would me knowledge regarding homeostasis change on nothing more than a whim exactly?

No doubt you will now say you're rants wern't to do with Cotto fighting Manny at 145 but about even lower catchweights
lol... Bilbo they weren't... I'm sorry but I can't change that. I wanted to make sure the Pac minions knew what whiter than white Pac's intentions are in asking fighters to drop extra weight (you still haven't answered why he's asked for 145). I have never mady any cement predictions regarding outcomes... just intentions... hence the fact that all you've been able to come out with is a quote about me talking about weight loss in general.

Again with the Micheal Moorer crap... you know my posting wasn't specific, yet you used the quote anyway... trying to embarass me out of countering your argument by pre-emptivly saying "I know you're going to say-" nice attempt at tactics/debate skills... but your bullshit won't work.
but the FACTS are you bitched and moaned about this fight being made saying Manny was doing it to drain Cotto
No Bilbo... for fucks sake come on... again do you just not register words like if, could or may? His intention is to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down... I have never said if this will work or not and what weight he would have to ask for to do it... again just his intention
and when I insisited it was a great fight (at 145) you created an entire thread as to why you disagreed.
No... I created an entire thread when posters with little to no knowledge of human physiology were making ludicrous statements that draining a pound of fluids and glycogen from a person's already dehydrated body would be insignificant. I even said that if Pac beat Cotto it would be a GREAT achievment but that it would be down a notch from if it wasn't at a catchweight... so yeah, not only was that not the point point of my postings but it's basically the complete opposite to what you just said. I can see the shit you're trying to pull here but it won't work because I know EXACTLY what I've said. <3
All of my arguments related to this have been specifically about Manny fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 lbs. I have never waivered from that so what were you actually disagreeing with me over?
Are you a little Butt hurt because I mentioned you in the thread? Get over yourself... a few people made smiliar 'what's a few pounds going to do" type posts... I just happened to remember yours. You could have spent all day talking about Yettis bilbo... that wouldn't magically make my post regarding Yettis though... I clearly outlined in my post that I was talking about the hypothetical loss of an extra pound... in no specific fight... I even explained that this was because Pac's catchweights and the hypothetical outcomes for various fighters can be discussed to death. basic physiology cannot.
If you too think at 145 matchup between the pair is a great fight then why all the toy throwing and hissy fits about it?

I've been proven correct. A catchweight at 145 lbs IS a great fight, one that virtually everyone wants to see.
hahahah! no you haven't!
Any talk about catchweights at 142 or 143 or whether Mosely can go under 147 is completely irelevent,
lol... yeah! they are... regarding a fight between cotto at 145 anyway
nobody but you every brought them up.
lol... ok... so are you telling me that when I was either talking about general physiology to try and educate the likes of you or Shane's ability to hit catchweights that I was actually talking about Cotto? lol... I guess they need to fire your/my school's english teachers then
I have only ever spoke specifically about a fight at 145 lbs between Cotto and Manny and you disagreed every single time I said it was a great fight.
I belive I've addressed this already... my intention was for pac's minions to understand what his intentions were.... not tear the fight to peices.
But now you don't.

Nice try...

Also, again... please explain to me in detail, Pac's intention in making Cotto lose a pound.

Seeing as we both know one pound of mass difference on fight night is insignificant and Pac intending to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down is ludicrous accoring to you... then what could his intention be?

Ok no worries thanks for clearing that up. So everytime you disagreed with my posting about Manny fighting Cotto at 145 lbs being a great fight, you now admit that you responded by posting completely irelevently about Manny fighting other fighters at other catchweights, and that this had no bearing on anything I was saying.

Good at least we agree now.

lol... no Bilbo... you know that's obviously not it at all... and I encourage people to read through my posts and see that for themselves.

keep twisting and turning mate.

[Kev]

Nice try...

Also, again... please explain to me in detail, Pac's intention in making Cotto lose a pound.

Seeing as we both know one pound of mass difference on fight night is insignificant and Pac intending to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down is ludicrous accoring to you... then what could his intention be?

Ok no worries thanks for clearing that up. So everytime you disagreed with my posting about Manny fighting Cotto at 145 lbs being a great fight, you now admit that you responded by posting completely irelevently about Manny fighting other fighters at other catchweights, and that this had no bearing on anything I was saying.

Good at least we agree now.

lol... no Bilbo... you know that's obviously not it at all... and I encourage people to read through my posts and see that for themselves.

keep twisting and turning mate.

Ok some quotes from you

I've been very vocal in criticising pac for what I feel is a blatant attempt to weight drain bigger fighters to take their edge off.

A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy

When Mosley is saying it regarding himself and Nazeem Richardson is saying it regarding Cotto surely it must be pretty hard for all but the elite trainers who (aren't) posting here to disagree?


Ok that all sounds to me like you were criticising my statement that a fight between Cotto and Manny at 145 lbs.

If you wern't I have to ask why you named me specifically as the person you were disagreeing with?

But it's cool, we both agree now and that's all that matters. I'm glad you came over to my way of thinking in the end and hopefully we can all sit down together in our virtual forms and enjoy this megafight tofether later in the year.

[The Congressman]

Would it be sweeter though if Manny says... "Fukk it, let's fight at 147!"? I think it will superpump his fans more. Shock the world once more.

[AdamGB]

Ok no worries thanks for clearing that up. So everytime you disagreed with my posting about Manny fighting Cotto at 145 lbs being a great fight, you now admit that you responded by posting completely irelevently about Manny fighting other fighters at other catchweights, and that this had no bearing on anything I was saying.

Good at least we agree now.

lol... no Bilbo... you know that's obviously not it at all... and I encourage people to read through my posts and see that for themselves.

keep twisting and turning mate.

Ok some quotes from you

I've been very vocal in criticising pac for what I feel is a blatant attempt to weight drain bigger fighters to take their edge off.

A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy

When Mosley is saying it regarding himself and Nazeem Richardson is saying it regarding Cotto surely it must be pretty hard for all but the elite trainers who (aren't) posting here to disagree?

Great quote mate... not even ONCE are either of the words Cotto or 145 even mentioned!

Ok that all sounds to me like you were criticising my statement that a fight between Cotto and Manny at 145 lbs.
lol... do you honestly think you can drag me round in circles?

I've already made it abundantly clear both here and in that post itself that the only issue I addressed specfically was the importance of one pound of critical fluid and sugars to the human body's homeostasis
If you wern't I have to ask why you named me specifically as the person you were disagreeing with?
I named you specifically as somebody (out of lots of people!) who said that draining an extra pound couldn't have any effect on a fighters performance. Everybody can see that. Again, I've already said this... yet you try and drag it round in circles and twist and turn. Repeating something will not make it true.
But it's cool, we both agree now and that's all that matters.
lol... we clearly don't... I can see you're trying hard to convince me otherwise though, Mr Moore
I'm glad you came over to my way of thinking in the end
I clearly haven't... I like that you're trying to make it appear that way though.
and hopefully we can all sit down together in our virtual forms and enjoy this megafight tofether later in the year.
I was always going to enjoy the fight mate, just not the hysterical Pac minions who need to get what would still be a great win into perspective...

You're very persistant mate, but unfortunatly you're also very repatative.
You're punching above your weight... would you like me to come down to a catchweight for you?

[generalbulldog]

i think they should have just fought at 147. But then the same people here will be complaining the guy would still be weight drain because of his lifestyle. See all the excuses why Ricky Hatton was knocked out, because Hatton was weight drain at 140, because of lifestyle.

[AdamGB]

Hatton and Cotto are two completely different people.

Left right and centre you keep repeating that same redundant point but the fact is that the general consensus is: Pac beat Hatton because Hatton was a shit boxer compared to Pac... Pac was simply better.

being overweight in between fights has nothing to do with your ability to hold a guard or use lateral movement and basically everybody agrees that that is why ricky got sparked. Eating too many pies doesn't affect your ability to listen to your trainer.















My... things are getting a bit derailed here aren't they...