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    Default Re: When Pacquiao beats Cotto

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Floyd could also have earned money (and respect) by unifying titles....but he never even tried that which means in each weight class he has fought in he hasn't beaten all of the best guys out there.
    You can say that certainly about Light-Welterweight & in most eyes about Welterweight (although he is a lineal champ there), but not about his time at Super-Featherweight & Lightweight. Light-Welter is the only weight at which he has not fought the top guy at the weight. I admit I would have liked for him to fight the best welters, but he hasn't yet. Who cares about unifying a load of trinkets, it usually becomes a racket & one of the fighters drops their belt as in the Cotto-Clottey fight. Lineal championships matter more than defending some alphabet in Sven Ottke style.

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    The title holders who Floyd Mayweather Jr. DID NOT fight:

    Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, Luis Collazo, Carlos Quintana

    Light Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Vivian Harris, Kostya Tszyu

    Lightweight: Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Artur Grigorian

    SuperFeather: Joel Casamayor, Acelino Freitas

    ...I think a couple of those guys would have done OK with Floyd, guess we'll never know, infact I KNOW I will catch hell for even posting such a blasphem against the All Great Floyd Mayweather Jr. the fighter who is great not because of WHO he fights but only because of the skill he has

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    The title holders who Floyd Mayweather Jr. DID NOT fight:

    Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, Luis Collazo, Carlos Quintana

    There was a chance for him to fight Mosley after the Oscar fight, but Mosley chose to fight Cotto instead after pulling out with a toothache. I'm not trying to aim at Mosley, because I don't believe he ducks guys, but it's not like the opportunity wasn't there for him. Collazo & Quintana were never legitimate contenders & had he fought them he would of caught hell for it. I would of liked to see him fight Margarito if only so that cheating bastard never had anything to bitch about. Williams gets ducked by EVERYBODY after he beat Margarito, even Shane Mosley said he's high-risk, low-reward. A Cotto fight would have been good, & the Cotto who fought Mosley & Judah was a guy who looked like he would have been very difficult to beat. However, the 'Cotto-Mayweather' bandwagon didn't really heat up until after Cotto beat Judah, at which point a Hatton fight was already signed. But it would have been good to have seen him fight any one of Mosley, Margacheato or Cotto.

    Light Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Vivian Harris, Kostya Tszyu

    He should of fought Tszyu instead of Gatti & possibly Cotto. Harris was getting KO'd before Floyd even had a belt though. I do think after he won the WBC belt he should've gone for a unification with either Cotto or Hatton though.

    Lightweight: Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Artur Grigorian

    You can't be serious with any of these. Mayweather used Spadafora for sparring, no-one was clamouring to see any of these fights, bar Mayweather they were all seen as weak alphabet holders. The 2 best guys in the division, Castillo & Corrales, he had already beaten.

    SuperFeather: Joel Casamayor, Acelino Freitas

    Both these guys were fighting weak opposition & were not seeking to fight anyone of note until they actually fought each other AFTER PBF had gone up to LW. Casamayor fought guys who quite frankly weren't fit to tie his shoes & the only guy Freitas fought of any note was a faded Jauregui.

    ...I think a couple of those guys would have done OK with Floyd, guess we'll never know, infact I KNOW I will catch hell for even posting such a blasphem against the All Great Floyd Mayweather Jr. the fighter who is great not because of WHO he fights but only because of the skill he has
    Replies to your list above. I get the impression you googled & saw who were the champs at the same time he was in the division there regardless of what they were doing at the time

    You have legitimate complaints about at least 1 of the divisions, but not SFW or LW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    The title holders who Floyd Mayweather Jr. DID NOT fight:

    Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, Luis Collazo, Carlos Quintana

    There was a chance for him to fight Mosley after the Oscar fight, but Mosley chose to fight Cotto instead after pulling out with a toothache. I'm not trying to aim at Mosley, because I don't believe he ducks guys, but it's not like the opportunity wasn't there for him. Collazo & Quintana were never legitimate contenders & had he fought them he would of caught hell for it. I would of liked to see him fight Margarito if only so that cheating bastard never had anything to bitch about. Williams gets ducked by EVERYBODY after he beat Margarito, even Shane Mosley said he's high-risk, low-reward. A Cotto fight would have been good, & the Cotto who fought Mosley & Judah was a guy who looked like he would have been very difficult to beat. However, the 'Cotto-Mayweather' bandwagon didn't really heat up until after Cotto beat Judah, at which point a Hatton fight was already signed. But it would have been good to have seen him fight any one of Mosley, Margacheato or Cotto.

    Light Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Vivian Harris, Kostya Tszyu

    He should of fought Tszyu instead of Gatti & possibly Cotto. Harris was getting KO'd before Floyd even had a belt though. I do think after he won the WBC belt he should've gone for a unification with either Cotto or Hatton though.

    Lightweight: Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Artur Grigorian

    You can't be serious with any of these. Mayweather used Spadafora for sparring, no-one was clamouring to see any of these fights, bar Mayweather they were all seen as weak alphabet holders. The 2 best guys in the division, Castillo & Corrales, he had already beaten.

    SuperFeather: Joel Casamayor, Acelino Freitas

    Both these guys were fighting weak opposition & were not seeking to fight anyone of note until they actually fought each other AFTER PBF had gone up to LW. Casamayor fought guys who quite frankly weren't fit to tie his shoes & the only guy Freitas fought of any note was a faded Jauregui.

    ...I think a couple of those guys would have done OK with Floyd, guess we'll never know, infact I KNOW I will catch hell for even posting such a blasphem against the All Great Floyd Mayweather Jr. the fighter who is great not because of WHO he fights but only because of the skill he has
    Replies to your list above. I get the impression you googled & saw who were the champs at the same time he was in the division there regardless of what they were doing at the time

    You have legitimate complaints about at least 1 of the divisions, but not SFW or LW.
    agree with most of what you said, but Collazo was WBA CHAMPION, and afterwards Quintana WBO CHAMPION, it's true Quintana lost it the first defense in a rematch against the guy he beat, but to say neither of the two were real contenders is kinda a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    The title holders who Floyd Mayweather Jr. DID NOT fight:

    Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, Luis Collazo, Carlos Quintana

    There was a chance for him to fight Mosley after the Oscar fight, but Mosley chose to fight Cotto instead after pulling out with a toothache. I'm not trying to aim at Mosley, because I don't believe he ducks guys, but it's not like the opportunity wasn't there for him. Collazo & Quintana were never legitimate contenders & had he fought them he would of caught hell for it. I would of liked to see him fight Margarito if only so that cheating bastard never had anything to bitch about. Williams gets ducked by EVERYBODY after he beat Margarito, even Shane Mosley said he's high-risk, low-reward. A Cotto fight would have been good, & the Cotto who fought Mosley & Judah was a guy who looked like he would have been very difficult to beat. However, the 'Cotto-Mayweather' bandwagon didn't really heat up until after Cotto beat Judah, at which point a Hatton fight was already signed. But it would have been good to have seen him fight any one of Mosley, Margacheato or Cotto.

    Light Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Vivian Harris, Kostya Tszyu

    He should of fought Tszyu instead of Gatti & possibly Cotto. Harris was getting KO'd before Floyd even had a belt though. I do think after he won the WBC belt he should've gone for a unification with either Cotto or Hatton though.

    Lightweight: Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Artur Grigorian

    You can't be serious with any of these. Mayweather used Spadafora for sparring, no-one was clamouring to see any of these fights, bar Mayweather they were all seen as weak alphabet holders. The 2 best guys in the division, Castillo & Corrales, he had already beaten.

    SuperFeather: Joel Casamayor, Acelino Freitas

    Both these guys were fighting weak opposition & were not seeking to fight anyone of note until they actually fought each other AFTER PBF had gone up to LW. Casamayor fought guys who quite frankly weren't fit to tie his shoes & the only guy Freitas fought of any note was a faded Jauregui.

    ...I think a couple of those guys would have done OK with Floyd, guess we'll never know, infact I KNOW I will catch hell for even posting such a blasphem against the All Great Floyd Mayweather Jr. the fighter who is great not because of WHO he fights but only because of the skill he has
    Replies to your list above. I get the impression you googled & saw who were the champs at the same time he was in the division there regardless of what they were doing at the time

    You have legitimate complaints about at least 1 of the divisions, but not SFW or LW.
    agree with most of what you said, but Collazo was WBA CHAMPION, and afterwards Quintana WBO CHAMPION, it's true Quintana lost it the first defense in a rematch against the guy he beat, but to say neither of the two were real contenders is kinda a joke
    What I mean is neither of them were guys who people were clamouring to see fight for the lineal championships, they weren't in the Top 3 of the division at those times. I mean Quintana even when he beat Williams was still behind Cotto & Mosley IMO. Having a paper belt doesn't mean you deserve to fight for the best in the division as you yourself have said numerous times about Berto.

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    #1 If it was so easy to beat these guys then why not unify?

    #2 I was just stating who he didn't fight....the only guys I really think he should have fought were Cotto, Mosley, Williams, and maybe Margarito and MAYBE Freitas

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    Default Re: When Pacquiao beats Cotto

    Why noy UNIFY?

    How can THE MAN unify? Unify what?
    3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    #1 If it was so easy to beat these guys then why not unify?

    #2 I was just stating who he didn't fight....the only guys I really think he should have fought were Cotto, Mosley, Williams, and maybe Margarito and MAYBE Freitas
    #1 Lyle, you're not a stupid guy, you know it's not as simple as that. I think below 140 most of those guys, or at least their promoters weren't keen on the fights when they could defend alphabets. I believe Casamayor & Freitas' respective promoters Luis DeCubas & Arty Pelullo were not keen on risking them against guys who might beat them until the contracts were close to expiring when they fought one another. I personally don't see the point in unifying if those guys were not the best & in the lower divisions they were just little Valuevs. Becoming lineal champ is far more impressive in my eyes. I mean to use your favourite punching bag, do you rate David Haye's acheivements in unifying a weak CW division? I give him credit for the becoming the lineal champ more.

    #2 I don't agree with Freitas for the reasons above. Mosley there's also the fact that he had the chance to make the fight with Mayweather but fought Cotto instead (not that I blame him, I understand he was getting a slightly better purse split in that fight). Now, I don't think Margarito deserves any fight being the cheating turd he is, but I think it was a fight that had he beaten him would of been another Baldomir. Williams & Cotto at 147 were legitimate challenges, as is Mosley now, so hopefully he fights at least 1 of them before retiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post

    Replies to your list above. I get the impression you googled & saw who were the champs at the same time he was in the division there regardless of what they were doing at the time

    You have legitimate complaints about at least 1 of the divisions, but not SFW or LW.
    agree with most of what you said, but Collazo was WBA CHAMPION, and afterwards Quintana WBO CHAMPION, it's true Quintana lost it the first defense in a rematch against the guy he beat, but to say neither of the two were real contenders is kinda a joke
    What I mean is neither of them were guys who people were clamouring to see fight for the lineal championships, they weren't in the Top 3 of the division at those times. I mean Quintana even when he beat Williams was still behind Cotto & Mosley IMO. Having a paper belt doesn't mean you deserve to fight for the best in the division as you yourself have said numerous times about Berto.
    i agree with you on that

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