the jones of today vs pavlik

[Spicoli]

At light heavy, Pavliks punches wouldnt effect RJJ. Roy would baffle him and Pavlik would get picked apart as the frusteration set in.I think Roy has a decent chin and he can take Pavliks best punches and shrug them off. Dont know that Pavlik, who ha little head movenent, could handle Roys snapping punches.

Really Boom?I mean his whole thing at prime was not getting hit clean...speed,instinct.Weight aside,To go in with Pavlik on who takes a better shot is to play with a forrest fire.Dont get me wrong....Roy of past could get under Pavlik,move off and have him running into shots but I just don't see this Jones being able to get off clean and move out like he would have too over and over.

[BoomBoom]

At light heavy, Pavliks punches wouldnt effect RJJ. Roy would baffle him and Pavlik would get picked apart as the frusteration set in.I think Roy has a decent chin and he can take Pavliks best punches and shrug them off. Dont know that Pavlik, who ha little head movenent, could handle Roys snapping punches.

Really Boom?I mean his whole thing at prime was not getting hit clean...speed,instinct.Weight aside,To go in with Pavlik on who takes a better shot is to play with a forrest fire.Dont get me wrong....Roy of past could get under Pavlik,move off and have him running into shots but I just don't see this Jones being able to get off clean and move out like he would have too over and over.

What it comes down to is the type of punch that hurts Jones. Jones may not be what he used to be, but his eyes are still very good. A predictable fighter has never beat him. Johnson, Tarver, Calzaghe, all got to him with punches he didnt see coming. All these guys used odd angles, Pavlik throw basic punches. He would see Pavliks punches coming and take them on the gloves and forearms. Roys defence isnt great but it works well for guys wo through textbook punches. The punches Roy gets hit with come around his gloves. Also foot placement is key. Pavlik is not fast on his feet and Roy would not let him set his feet to get off his power punches. He would stay a step ahead every time because he is a superior technitian and knows his range as good as anyone and can command the center of the ring even at 40. He is still strong enough, and stronger than Pavlik.

[Spicoli]

At light heavy, Pavliks punches wouldnt effect RJJ. Roy would baffle him and Pavlik would get picked apart as the frusteration set in.I think Roy has a decent chin and he can take Pavliks best punches and shrug them off. Dont know that Pavlik, who ha little head movenent, could handle Roys snapping punches.

Really Boom?I mean his whole thing at prime was not getting hit clean...speed,instinct.Weight aside,To go in with Pavlik on who takes a better shot is to play with a forrest fire.Dont get me wrong....Roy of past could get under Pavlik,move off and have him running into shots but I just don't see this Jones being able to get off clean and move out like he would have too over and over.

What it comes down to is the type of punch that hurts Jones. Jones may not be what he used to be, but his eyes are still very good. A predictable fighter has never beat him. Johnson, Tarver, Calzaghe, all got to him with punches he didnt see coming. All these guys used odd angles, Pavlik throw basic punches. He would see Pavliks punches coming and take them on the gloves and forearms. Roys defence isnt great but it works well for guys wo through textbook punches. The punches Roy gets hit with come around his gloves. Also foot placement is key. Pavlik is not fast on his feet and Roy would not let him set his feet to get off his power punches. He would stay a step ahead every time because he is a superior technitian and knows his range as good as anyone and can command the center of the ring even at 40. He is still strong enough, and stronger than Pavlik.

Jones will always hold a PHD and Masters over Pavlik when it comes to ring smarts and accomplishments.No doubts dude,but this is now.I have very little to base his rebirth on as if we are talking prime Roy here.?His legs are history and he's riding ropes for a reason.He has everything on his terms and pace over last two but Pavlik....in all of his one deminsional & predictable glory is a different animal.And I just dont think Roy can deal with solid pressure from top guys and certainly roll with a straight puncher,no matter what angle or demension they come from.

[BoomBoom]

Really Boom?I mean his whole thing at prime was not getting hit clean...speed,instinct.Weight aside,To go in with Pavlik on who takes a better shot is to play with a forrest fire.Dont get me wrong....Roy of past could get under Pavlik,move off and have him running into shots but I just don't see this Jones being able to get off clean and move out like he would have too over and over.

What it comes down to is the type of punch that hurts Jones. Jones may not be what he used to be, but his eyes are still very good. A predictable fighter has never beat him. Johnson, Tarver, Calzaghe, all got to him with punches he didnt see coming. All these guys used odd angles, Pavlik throw basic punches. He would see Pavliks punches coming and take them on the gloves and forearms. Roys defence isnt great but it works well for guys wo through textbook punches. The punches Roy gets hit with come around his gloves. Also foot placement is key. Pavlik is not fast on his feet and Roy would not let him set his feet to get off his power punches. He would stay a step ahead every time because he is a superior technitian and knows his range as good as anyone and can command the center of the ring even at 40. He is still strong enough, and stronger than Pavlik.

Jones will always hold a PHD and Masters over Pavlik when it comes to ring smarts and accomplishments.No doubts dude,but this is now.I have very little to base his rebirth on as if we are talking prime Roy here.?His legs are history and he's riding ropes for a reason.He has everything on his terms and pace over last two but Pavlik....in all of his one deminsional & predictable glory is a different animal.And I just dont think Roy can deal with solid pressure from top guys and certainly roll with a straight puncher,no matter what angle or demension they come from.

Pavlik wouldnt be able to effectively pressure Roy for 12 rounds, because he would be eating punches in the process. His gameplan would only work on paper but he doesnt have a plan B. Roy, even at 40, is faster and hits harder than anyone he has faced, aside from Hopkins. The second fastest and hardest puncher was Taylor. Taylor had him hurt, knocked down and baffled from time to time. Even Jeff Lacy would probably agree that Roy is harder to deal with. Pavlik is a bit overrated imo. He fought one slick veteran boxer and lost. Pavlik beats guys that he can find with his punches. He wont beat a great boxer or highly skilled former great boxer. Styles always make fights. I forgot that when I picked lacy to beat Roy, but it almost always is true.

[Truth]

Jones just fought two punching bags and people are comparing Kelly to those punching bags and are saying what Hopkins did to Pavlik Jones could do UTTER NONSENSE Roy would be crazy to get in the ring with an elite puncher far less a world class puncher

[Pugilistic]

I'd pick Pavlik to win at this stage.

Jones at this stage lays on the ropes for long periods of time and that would favor Pavlik because he would be there for Pavlik to hit at, unlike Hopkins was who used lots of lateral movement to throw Pavlik off.

Pavlik wouldn't try to smother Jones like Lacy did either, he would use his jab to set the range and follow with right hands and body shots at range.

Jones would win a few rounds but he would get outworked and eventually stopped if Pavlik could land enough bombs.

[Bomp]

I'd be intrigued at this fight, could go either way dominantly. Pavlik seems to have slipped since the first Taylor fight, I agree with a lot being said here that Jones gets stopped against a top tier opponent that has power, but I wouldn't class Pavlik as top tier at the moment.

[JonnyFolds]

At light heavy, Pavliks punches wouldnt effect RJJ. Roy would baffle him and Pavlik would get picked apart as the frusteration set in.I think Roy has a decent chin and he can take Pavliks best punches and shrug them off. Dont know that Pavlik, who ha little head movenent, could handle Roys snapping punches.

Really Boom?I mean his whole thing at prime was not getting hit clean...speed,instinct.Weight aside,To go in with Pavlik on who takes a better shot is to play with a forrest fire.Dont get me wrong....Roy of past could get under Pavlik,move off and have him running into shots but I just don't see this Jones being able to get off clean and move out like he would have too over and over.

What it comes down to is the type of punch that hurts Jones. Jones may not be what he used to be, but his eyes are still very good. A predictable fighter has never beat him. Johnson, Tarver, Calzaghe, all got to him with punches he didnt see coming. All these guys used odd angles, Pavlik throw basic punches. He would see Pavliks punches coming and take them on the gloves and forearms. Roys defence isnt great but it works well for guys wo through textbook punches. The punches Roy gets hit with come around his gloves. Also foot placement is key. Pavlik is not fast on his feet and Roy would not let him set his feet to get off his power punches. He would stay a step ahead every time because he is a superior technitian and knows his range as good as anyone and can command the center of the ring even at 40. He is still strong enough, and stronger than Pavlik.

If Jones can command the rig so well. Why does he cover up like a b**** on the ropes in every fight in the past 4 years?

Jones is on borrowed time. I really don't want to see him get hurt. PLease retire as a B+ class fighter you are right now... and that is being generous.

[Kev]

Why is everybody saying Pavlik's power is missing at 168?

Are you telling me that unless a fighter can KO Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor twice they are a non puncher?

This is ridiculous. I guess Trinidad was obviously not a puncher at 160 and Tarver clearly had no pop at 175 either.

Anthony Hanshaw gave Roy Jones a very competitive fight for 10 rounds, in fact it was pretty even up that point, although the judges were smoking something. Jones had to pull something out the bag to beat Hanshaw in the late rounds, he was having some trouble with him yet Dirrell blew him away in 5, what does that tell you?

Yes he dominated Lacy, but only after Calzaghe, Tyspko, (arguably Manfredo), Mendoza, Taylor and Grifin had all made him look fucking awful and completely shot beyond recognition.

Jones coulnd't beat Tarver 3 years ago, he has even less left now.

If he was to beat Pavlik, he'd have to do it inside the first 3 rounds, not impossible if Kelly got careless but unlikely. As soon as Pavlik had settled though Jones would just fade, fade, fade and be lucky to see the finish.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Why is everybody saying Pavlik's power is missing at 168?

Are you telling me that unless a fighter can KO Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor twice they are a non puncher?

This is ridiculous. I guess Trinidad was obviously not a puncher at 160 and Tarver clearly had no pop at 175 either.

Anthony Hanshaw gave Roy Jones a very competitive fight for 10 rounds, in fact it was pretty even up that point, although the judges were smoking something. Jones had to pull something out the bag to beat Hanshaw in the late rounds, he was having some trouble with him yet Dirrell blew him away in 5, what does that tell you?

Yes he dominated Lacy, but only after Calzaghe, Tyspko, (arguably Manfredo), Mendoza, Taylor and Grifin had all made him look fucking awful and completely shot beyond recognition.

Jones coulnd't beat Tarver 3 years ago, he has even less left now.

If he was to beat Pavlik, he'd have to do it inside the first 3 rounds, not impossible if Kelly got careless but unlikely. As soon as Pavlik had settled though Jones would just fade, fade, fade and be lucky to see the finish.

about the same amount as it tells about how pacman would do against floyd...based off the ricky perfomances...(floyd beat him first)

about the same amount as it tells about how much it told before shane fought margarito, (remembering) everyone that picked shane to be stopped based of losing to cotto who was stopped by MArgo...

Do I really need to go on?


And Dirrell beat Hanshaw before or after Roy took away his his undefeated record?

[Majesty]

Why is everybody saying Pavlik's power is missing at 168?

Are you telling me that unless a fighter can KO Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor twice they are a non puncher?

Froch stopped Taylor at 168 Pavlik has no stoppages at 168 against anyone as far as I know.

He stopped Taylor at 160 but couldn't at 168. Froch stopped Taylor at 168 EVEN LACY was able to knock him down at 168 but Pavlik couldn't. I think its safe to say that his power is diminished at 168 and at 175 would be almost non existant.

Why are people saying that Roy has to move for 12 rounds to avoid Pavliks right hand. Hasn't the Hopkins fight showed you that you don't fight on the outside to beat him? What Hopkins did was he smothered Pavlik and got off combinations because Pavlik goes into a defensive shell when you open up and won't throw until you're at a distance otherwise he'll stand there and take punches. Roy would do that all night and probably could get a good rest just laying on the inside with Pavlik since Kelly will only throw when you are far enough away even Zertuche was giving Pavlik problems on the inside, isn't it obvious Pavlik can't fight on the inside and at the same time doesn't know how to keep people away because he is a stalking type of fighter, so if you stay on the outside with him he'll pick you apart but he doesn't know how to stop you coming in he just puts his hands up into a defensive shell. That kind of style is made for Roy to look great against. And at 175 I doubt Pavlik would be able to take everything Roy dished out.

You can't compare Tarver to Pavlik. Tarver is known to have big power at 175 not only that but he is a defensive counter puncher by nature that is good at setting traps and being defensive. Pavlik isn't and he doesn't. Also Pavlik isn't a southpaw. You can't compare both fighters. Because if you say that Roy couldn't beat Tarver I could say look how Hopkins massacred him. And at 175 whats to stop Roy from using the same gameplan? Especially since he'll be the bigger guy and stronger guy against Pavlik as well whats to stop him from imposing his will and going off on him? You just hold on to Pavlik landing that one big right hand but how is he gonna do that if Roy gives him no space?

[Kev]

Why is everybody saying Pavlik's power is missing at 168?

Are you telling me that unless a fighter can KO Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor twice they are a non puncher?

Froch stopped Taylor at 168 Pavlik has no stoppages at 168 against anyone as far as I know.

He stopped Taylor at 160 but couldn't at 168. Froch stopped Taylor at 168 EVEN LACY was able to knock him down at 168 but Pavlik couldn't. I think its safe to say that his power is diminished at 168 and at 175 would be almost non existant.

Why are people saying that Roy has to move for 12 rounds to avoid Pavliks right hand. Hasn't the Hopkins fight showed you that you don't fight on the outside to beat him? What Hopkins did was he smothered Pavlik and got off combinations because Pavlik goes into a defensive shell when you open up and won't throw until you're at a distance otherwise he'll stand there and take punches. Roy would do that all night and probably could get a good rest just laying on the inside with Pavlik since Kelly will only throw when you are far enough away even Zertuche was giving Pavlik problems on the inside, isn't it obvious Pavlik can't fight on the inside and at the same time doesn't know how to keep people away because he is a stalking type of fighter, so if you stay on the outside with him he'll pick you apart but he doesn't know how to stop you coming in he just puts his hands up into a defensive shell. That kind of style is made for Roy to look great against. And at 175 I doubt Pavlik would be able to take everything Roy dished out.

You can't compare Tarver to Pavlik. Tarver is known to have big power at 175 not only that but he is a defensive counter puncher by nature that is good at setting traps and being defensive. Pavlik isn't and he doesn't. Also Pavlik isn't a southpaw. You can't compare both fighters. Because if you say that Roy couldn't beat Tarver I could say look how Hopkins massacred him. And at 175 whats to stop Roy from using the same gameplan? Especially since he'll be the bigger guy and stronger guy against Pavlik as well whats to stop him from imposing his will and going off on him? You just hold on to Pavlik landing that one big right hand but how is he gonna do that if Roy gives him no space?

So you think the extra 8 lbs suddenly meant Taylor wasn't getting hurt any more? Do you not think the fact that Taylor went into his shell over the last 6 rounds and was clearly just looking to survive had something to do with it?

And I know everybody seems to think Jermain Taylor is now just some glass jawed club fighter but he's actually a world class fighter and knocking him out isn't easy.

Cleary B Hop has no power at all as he wasn't even able to put Jermain on the canvas in two attempts, and that at 160, he must be pillow fighting at 175, maybe that's why he beat Pavlik so easy, his gentle, soothing caresses to his face just made him feel all relaxed and dreamy?

Actually if you think about what you are saying it's so ludicrous to be bordering on retarded, no offense of course.

I mean imagine you have a fight with a guy and he hits you and knocks you out, then you both put on 8 lbs you think now he won't hurt you as much? Has you chin recieved some of that extra weight?

[Majesty]

Why is everybody saying Pavlik's power is missing at 168?

Are you telling me that unless a fighter can KO Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor twice they are a non puncher?

Froch stopped Taylor at 168 Pavlik has no stoppages at 168 against anyone as far as I know.

He stopped Taylor at 160 but couldn't at 168. Froch stopped Taylor at 168 EVEN LACY was able to knock him down at 168 but Pavlik couldn't. I think its safe to say that his power is diminished at 168 and at 175 would be almost non existant.

Why are people saying that Roy has to move for 12 rounds to avoid Pavliks right hand. Hasn't the Hopkins fight showed you that you don't fight on the outside to beat him? What Hopkins did was he smothered Pavlik and got off combinations because Pavlik goes into a defensive shell when you open up and won't throw until you're at a distance otherwise he'll stand there and take punches. Roy would do that all night and probably could get a good rest just laying on the inside with Pavlik since Kelly will only throw when you are far enough away even Zertuche was giving Pavlik problems on the inside, isn't it obvious Pavlik can't fight on the inside and at the same time doesn't know how to keep people away because he is a stalking type of fighter, so if you stay on the outside with him he'll pick you apart but he doesn't know how to stop you coming in he just puts his hands up into a defensive shell. That kind of style is made for Roy to look great against. And at 175 I doubt Pavlik would be able to take everything Roy dished out.

You can't compare Tarver to Pavlik. Tarver is known to have big power at 175 not only that but he is a defensive counter puncher by nature that is good at setting traps and being defensive. Pavlik isn't and he doesn't. Also Pavlik isn't a southpaw. You can't compare both fighters. Because if you say that Roy couldn't beat Tarver I could say look how Hopkins massacred him. And at 175 whats to stop Roy from using the same gameplan? Especially since he'll be the bigger guy and stronger guy against Pavlik as well whats to stop him from imposing his will and going off on him? You just hold on to Pavlik landing that one big right hand but how is he gonna do that if Roy gives him no space?

So you think the extra 8 lbs suddenly meant Taylor wasn't getting hurt any more? Do you not think the fact that Taylor went into his shell over the last 6 rounds and was clearly just looking to survive had something to do with it?

And I know everybody seems to think Jermain Taylor is now just some glass jawed club fighter but he's actually a world class fighter and knocking him out isn't easy.

Cleary B Hop has no power at all as he wasn't even able to put Jermain on the canvas in two attempts, and that at 160, he must be pillow fighting at 175, maybe that's why he beat Pavlik so easy, his gentle, soothing caresses to his face just made him feel all relaxed and dreamy?

Actually if you think about what you are saying it's so ludicrous to be bordering on retarded, no offense of course.

I mean imagine you have a fight with a guy and he hits you and knocks you out, then you both put on 8 lbs you think now he won't hurt you as much? Has you chin recieved some of that extra weight?

It's not as bordering on retarded as comparing Pavlik to Tarver, no offense of course

With as many people bitching about an extra 8 pounds and the legitimacy of not in catchweight fights nowadays are we supposed to now downplay how much of a difference weight makes in the case of Pavlik and Jones?