the jones of today vs pavlik

[Spicoli]

At light heavy, Pavliks punches wouldnt effect RJJ. Roy would baffle him and Pavlik would get picked apart as the frusteration set in.I think Roy has a decent chin and he can take Pavliks best punches and shrug them off. Dont know that Pavlik, who ha little head movenent, could handle Roys snapping punches.

Really Boom?I mean his whole thing at prime was not getting hit clean...speed,instinct.Weight aside,To go in with Pavlik on who takes a better shot is to play with a forrest fire.Dont get me wrong....Roy of past could get under Pavlik,move off and have him running into shots but I just don't see this Jones being able to get off clean and move out like he would have too over and over.

What it comes down to is the type of punch that hurts Jones. Jones may not be what he used to be, but his eyes are still very good. A predictable fighter has never beat him. Johnson, Tarver, Calzaghe, all got to him with punches he didnt see coming. All these guys used odd angles, Pavlik throw basic punches. He would see Pavliks punches coming and take them on the gloves and forearms. Roys defence isnt great but it works well for guys wo through textbook punches. The punches Roy gets hit with come around his gloves. Also foot placement is key. Pavlik is not fast on his feet and Roy would not let him set his feet to get off his power punches. He would stay a step ahead every time because he is a superior technitian and knows his range as good as anyone and can command the center of the ring even at 40. He is still strong enough, and stronger than Pavlik.

Jones will always hold a PHD and Masters over Pavlik when it comes to ring smarts and accomplishments.No doubts dude,but this is now.I have very little to base his rebirth on as if we are talking prime Roy here.?His legs are history and he's riding ropes for a reason.He has everything on his terms and pace over last two but Pavlik....in all of his one deminsional & predictable glory is a different animal.And I just dont think Roy can deal with solid pressure from top guys and certainly roll with a straight puncher,no matter what angle or demension they come from.

[BoomBoom]

Really Boom?I mean his whole thing at prime was not getting hit clean...speed,instinct.Weight aside,To go in with Pavlik on who takes a better shot is to play with a forrest fire.Dont get me wrong....Roy of past could get under Pavlik,move off and have him running into shots but I just don't see this Jones being able to get off clean and move out like he would have too over and over.

What it comes down to is the type of punch that hurts Jones. Jones may not be what he used to be, but his eyes are still very good. A predictable fighter has never beat him. Johnson, Tarver, Calzaghe, all got to him with punches he didnt see coming. All these guys used odd angles, Pavlik throw basic punches. He would see Pavliks punches coming and take them on the gloves and forearms. Roys defence isnt great but it works well for guys wo through textbook punches. The punches Roy gets hit with come around his gloves. Also foot placement is key. Pavlik is not fast on his feet and Roy would not let him set his feet to get off his power punches. He would stay a step ahead every time because he is a superior technitian and knows his range as good as anyone and can command the center of the ring even at 40. He is still strong enough, and stronger than Pavlik.

Jones will always hold a PHD and Masters over Pavlik when it comes to ring smarts and accomplishments.No doubts dude,but this is now.I have very little to base his rebirth on as if we are talking prime Roy here.?His legs are history and he's riding ropes for a reason.He has everything on his terms and pace over last two but Pavlik....in all of his one deminsional & predictable glory is a different animal.And I just dont think Roy can deal with solid pressure from top guys and certainly roll with a straight puncher,no matter what angle or demension they come from.

Pavlik wouldnt be able to effectively pressure Roy for 12 rounds, because he would be eating punches in the process. His gameplan would only work on paper but he doesnt have a plan B. Roy, even at 40, is faster and hits harder than anyone he has faced, aside from Hopkins. The second fastest and hardest puncher was Taylor. Taylor had him hurt, knocked down and baffled from time to time. Even Jeff Lacy would probably agree that Roy is harder to deal with. Pavlik is a bit overrated imo. He fought one slick veteran boxer and lost. Pavlik beats guys that he can find with his punches. He wont beat a great boxer or highly skilled former great boxer. Styles always make fights. I forgot that when I picked lacy to beat Roy, but it almost always is true.

[Truth]

Jones just fought two punching bags and people are comparing Kelly to those punching bags and are saying what Hopkins did to Pavlik Jones could do UTTER NONSENSE Roy would be crazy to get in the ring with an elite puncher far less a world class puncher

[Pugilistic]

I'd pick Pavlik to win at this stage.

Jones at this stage lays on the ropes for long periods of time and that would favor Pavlik because he would be there for Pavlik to hit at, unlike Hopkins was who used lots of lateral movement to throw Pavlik off.

Pavlik wouldn't try to smother Jones like Lacy did either, he would use his jab to set the range and follow with right hands and body shots at range.

Jones would win a few rounds but he would get outworked and eventually stopped if Pavlik could land enough bombs.

[Bomp]

I'd be intrigued at this fight, could go either way dominantly. Pavlik seems to have slipped since the first Taylor fight, I agree with a lot being said here that Jones gets stopped against a top tier opponent that has power, but I wouldn't class Pavlik as top tier at the moment.