the jones of today vs pavlik

[CFH]

He shines but only in glimpse's man.I really think their is some reinvention and star struckness going on as it relates to todays Jones jr.We may be talking Pavlik here...and lets be honest that fight is not happening.But it was far more than just hand speed that saw Hopkins walk to and whip Pavlik.Intangibles that I believe Roy no longer has readily available.I think Jones is over his head right now with top ranked high calibur guys in general.If he gets by Green,I hope he goes out on top.

He is shining with spurts of past speed against stationary non offensive minded catchers in Sheika and Lacy.The latter it can be argued had lost 5 of his last 6 fights.His last big fight vs a guy with volume and pressure saw him shut down & beat up with frankly his heart keeping him upright.You could see the hesitation and him second guessing on rigid legs.When Jones is reduced to pounding his chin and chest boasting of being able to take a good shot......that says it all.And last I checked Calzaghe is not exactly a renowned puncher.

No its not being star struck...not from me at least...but pavlik hasn't really done anything to impress me to the point of where i can outright say he'd beat even a 40 yr old jones who is still very aware of his ability limitations. And roy was one of the best ring generals in history his mind is still there. He still is laps ahead of anybody pavliks faced in terms of speed...and Roy would be the biggest man pavlik will have faced in regards to fighting at the higher weights longer. That makes roy the biggest and harder puncher.

Pavlik right now to me beat a very good but overrated jermain taylor is only a step above lacy and thats because he does have a jab...i will go out on a limb and say jermain taylor won't win one fight in the SMW tournament.

But don't you know? Pavlik stopped Edison freaking Miranda he has bigger power then Roy at 175 and then he beat Jermain Taylor who was last seen struggling with Cory Spinks. But he DID stop him, once out of two and that has to count for something and Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins so obviously Pavlik would do the same to Hopkins if they met right?


People need to get off the Pavlik kool-aid people somehow think he is gonna stop Roy Jones, Pavlik's power is lacking at 168 at 175 it would be non existant and whens the last time you've seen Roy in any kind of trouble lately?

Roy took everything Calzaghe was throwing and still kept his composure and his wits and was never in trouble, you guys think Roy would let himself get caught with a Pavlik right hand? Both times he was caught were in times he had his hands down. Since then Roy has acknowledged where his limitations are for his age and keeps his hands up a heck of a lot more and has a better fundamental kind of defense of keeping his hands up more so then always relying on his reflexes. Roy Jones right now is better then the version of Roy Jones that lost to Tarver and Johnson. And doesn't get caught with the stupid stuff he got caught with in thosse two fights. Pavlik has never changed, he has no plan B he isn't gonna adapt to what Roy is doing. He is gonna put the earmuffs on and pray he lands the straight right hand while hoping it knocks out Roy. But Roy would tear up Pavlik on the inside in the center of the ring just by smothering him, once Roy has closed distance and is getting off combinations what the heck is Pavlik gonna do to stop him? Pavlik struggled with Hopkins' speed at 168 how is he gonna deal with a Roy Jones at 175 even faster then Hopkins?

You guys think Paul Williams is gonna massacre Pavlik when he moves between 147 and 160 but you think Pavlik is gonna annihalate Roy at 175

Predictions for Pavlik - Williams were quite divided as - from what I've read - are opinions on Jones - Pavlik. It's not outlandish to think that a young, high-volume puncher with good power in both hands could defeat a 40 year old with declining skills, a questionable chin, and a far from impressive level of competition in his most recent fights (aside from the Calzaghe loss in which he was completely outclassed).

No one is saying Pavlik is some kind of perennial P4P fixture, but he's not garbage either. Edison Miranda and Jermaine Taylor are better than anyone Roy Jones has beaten in the past 4 years. Well, Miranda might be on par with or slightly worse than Hanshaw, but you get my point I think.

Pavlik beating Jones is not a forgone conclusion but it is certainly possible and the most likely outcome in my, and many others, opinions and it is a valid opinion. None of us have any idea how a fight between the two would play out, it's all speculation. No opinions should be discounted and sneered at.

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No its not being star struck...not from me at least...but pavlik hasn't really done anything to impress me to the point of where i can outright say he'd beat even a 40 yr old jones who is still very aware of his ability limitations. And roy was one of the best ring generals in history his mind is still there. He still is laps ahead of anybody pavliks faced in terms of speed...and Roy would be the biggest man pavlik will have faced in regards to fighting at the higher weights longer. That makes roy the biggest and harder puncher.

Pavlik right now to me beat a very good but overrated jermain taylor is only a step above lacy and thats because he does have a jab...i will go out on a limb and say jermain taylor won't win one fight in the SMW tournament.

But don't you know? Pavlik stopped Edison freaking Miranda he has bigger power then Roy at 175 and then he beat Jermain Taylor who was last seen struggling with Cory Spinks. But he DID stop him, once out of two and that has to count for something and Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins so obviously Pavlik would do the same to Hopkins if they met right?


People need to get off the Pavlik kool-aid people somehow think he is gonna stop Roy Jones, Pavlik's power is lacking at 168 at 175 it would be non existant and whens the last time you've seen Roy in any kind of trouble lately?

Roy took everything Calzaghe was throwing and still kept his composure and his wits and was never in trouble, you guys think Roy would let himself get caught with a Pavlik right hand? Both times he was caught were in times he had his hands down. Since then Roy has acknowledged where his limitations are for his age and keeps his hands up a heck of a lot more and has a better fundamental kind of defense of keeping his hands up more so then always relying on his reflexes. Roy Jones right now is better then the version of Roy Jones that lost to Tarver and Johnson. And doesn't get caught with the stupid stuff he got caught with in thosse two fights. Pavlik has never changed, he has no plan B he isn't gonna adapt to what Roy is doing. He is gonna put the earmuffs on and pray he lands the straight right hand while hoping it knocks out Roy. But Roy would tear up Pavlik on the inside in the center of the ring just by smothering him, once Roy has closed distance and is getting off combinations what the heck is Pavlik gonna do to stop him? Pavlik struggled with Hopkins' speed at 168 how is he gonna deal with a Roy Jones at 175 even faster then Hopkins?

You guys think Paul Williams is gonna massacre Pavlik when he moves between 147 and 160 but you think Pavlik is gonna annihalate Roy at 175

Predictions for Pavlik - Williams were quite divided as - from what I've read - are opinions on Jones - Pavlik. It's not outlandish to think that a young, high-volume puncher with good power in both hands could defeat a 40 year old with declining skills, a questionable chin, and a far from impressive level of competition in his most recent fights (aside from the Calzaghe loss in which he was completely outclassed).

No one is saying Pavlik is some kind of perennial P4P fixture, but he's not garbage either. Edison Miranda and Jermaine Taylor are better than anyone Roy Jones has beaten in the past 4 years. Well, Miranda might be on par with or slightly worse than Hanshaw, but you get my point I think.

Pavlik beating Jones is not a forgone conclusion but it is certainly possible and the most likely outcome in my, and many others, opinions and it is a valid opinion. None of us have any idea how a fight between the two would play out, it's all speculation. No opinions should be discounted and sneered at.

Why is it the most likely outcome that Pavlik would knockout Roy at 175 when his power wasnt there at 168? Roy has ONLY been hurt at Light Heavyweight by other light heavyweights that were also big punchers. Pavlik is a big puncher but at middleweight and he doesn't carry that power up and yet it has been shown he can be hurt by other middleweights and a super middleweight Jones. I'd say Roy has a far bigger chance of hurting and stopping Pavlik then Pavlik does at stopping him.

[BIG H]

I think Pavlik would comfortably beat the Roy Jones of today!!

[CFH]

But don't you know? Pavlik stopped Edison freaking Miranda he has bigger power then Roy at 175 and then he beat Jermain Taylor who was last seen struggling with Cory Spinks. But he DID stop him, once out of two and that has to count for something and Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins so obviously Pavlik would do the same to Hopkins if they met right?


People need to get off the Pavlik kool-aid people somehow think he is gonna stop Roy Jones, Pavlik's power is lacking at 168 at 175 it would be non existant and whens the last time you've seen Roy in any kind of trouble lately?

Roy took everything Calzaghe was throwing and still kept his composure and his wits and was never in trouble, you guys think Roy would let himself get caught with a Pavlik right hand? Both times he was caught were in times he had his hands down. Since then Roy has acknowledged where his limitations are for his age and keeps his hands up a heck of a lot more and has a better fundamental kind of defense of keeping his hands up more so then always relying on his reflexes. Roy Jones right now is better then the version of Roy Jones that lost to Tarver and Johnson. And doesn't get caught with the stupid stuff he got caught with in thosse two fights. Pavlik has never changed, he has no plan B he isn't gonna adapt to what Roy is doing. He is gonna put the earmuffs on and pray he lands the straight right hand while hoping it knocks out Roy. But Roy would tear up Pavlik on the inside in the center of the ring just by smothering him, once Roy has closed distance and is getting off combinations what the heck is Pavlik gonna do to stop him? Pavlik struggled with Hopkins' speed at 168 how is he gonna deal with a Roy Jones at 175 even faster then Hopkins?

You guys think Paul Williams is gonna massacre Pavlik when he moves between 147 and 160 but you think Pavlik is gonna annihalate Roy at 175

Predictions for Pavlik - Williams were quite divided as - from what I've read - are opinions on Jones - Pavlik. It's not outlandish to think that a young, high-volume puncher with good power in both hands could defeat a 40 year old with declining skills, a questionable chin, and a far from impressive level of competition in his most recent fights (aside from the Calzaghe loss in which he was completely outclassed).

No one is saying Pavlik is some kind of perennial P4P fixture, but he's not garbage either. Edison Miranda and Jermaine Taylor are better than anyone Roy Jones has beaten in the past 4 years. Well, Miranda might be on par with or slightly worse than Hanshaw, but you get my point I think.

Pavlik beating Jones is not a forgone conclusion but it is certainly possible and the most likely outcome in my, and many others, opinions and it is a valid opinion. None of us have any idea how a fight between the two would play out, it's all speculation. No opinions should be discounted and sneered at.

Why is it the most likely outcome that Pavlik would knockout Roy at 175 when his power wasnt there at 168? Roy has ONLY been hurt at Light Heavyweight by other light heavyweights that were also big punchers. Pavlik is a big puncher but at middleweight and he doesn't carry that power up and yet it has been shown he can be hurt by other middleweights and a super middleweight Jones. I'd say Roy has a far bigger chance of hurting and stopping Pavlik then Pavlik does at stopping him.

I think that is the case for the same reasons I've mentioned several times in this thread already. We're just going around in circles here.