How skilled is Wladimir Klitschko really?

[jokaleras]

In regards to original post: Mikkel Kessler having no skills? And a basic european fighter? Surprised nobody has gone back at this. Kessler has a highly impressive set of skills. He can move in and out of range almost imperceptively, and is a master of distance and timing. This is not to mention his power, strength, chin, and heart.

even his fans admit this.

he's a basic fighter. he and wladimir klitschko are called robots for a reason. i don't see how you can't see that. he fights in a division full of basic fighters and he's the least flawed one. The jab and the 1-2 is his bread and butter. he's a fine fighter and i like watching his fights but he's no technician.

firstly, are you only skillful if you are a 'technician'?
Secondly, I'm not sure his fans would refer to him as a 'robot'. Yes, he does fight in straight lines, but he moves well in these straight lines, in and out of range, in a subtle way. You also say he relys on the 1-2, but surely you can see he posesses a mean uppercut, not just powerful, but delivered with expert timing and speed. Is this not a 'skill'? I'm not saying he is the most skilled fighter ever, but calling him a 'robot', or a 'basic European fighter' is going too far. I think he combines a decent set of 'skill' with good power, chin and heart.

don't know what you're getting at. i'm not sure why you're even mentioning his chin and heart. Like I said, he's a fine fighter and he's very effective, but he's as basic as an elite boxer can get. his uppercut is delivered with expert timing and speed? hardly. Go watch Vernon Forrest.

[ryanman]

even his fans admit this.

he's a basic fighter. he and wladimir klitschko are called robots for a reason. i don't see how you can't see that. he fights in a division full of basic fighters and he's the least flawed one. The jab and the 1-2 is his bread and butter. he's a fine fighter and i like watching his fights but he's no technician.

firstly, are you only skillful if you are a 'technician'?
Secondly, I'm not sure his fans would refer to him as a 'robot'. Yes, he does fight in straight lines, but he moves well in these straight lines, in and out of range, in a subtle way. You also say he relys on the 1-2, but surely you can see he posesses a mean uppercut, not just powerful, but delivered with expert timing and speed. Is this not a 'skill'? I'm not saying he is the most skilled fighter ever, but calling him a 'robot', or a 'basic European fighter' is going too far. I think he combines a decent set of 'skill' with good power, chin and heart.

don't know what you're getting at. i'm not sure why you're even mentioning his chin and heart. Like I said, he's a fine fighter and he's very effective, but he's as basic as an elite boxer can get. his uppercut is delivered with expert timing and speed? hardly. Go watch Vernon Forrest.

I thought it was quite obvious what i was getting at. I think you are wrong to describe him as a 'robot', and a 'basic European fighter'. Thats it. Done. Thats the point. And i mention his chin and heart in ADDITION to his skills.

[jokaleras]

firstly, are you only skillful if you are a 'technician'?
Secondly, I'm not sure his fans would refer to him as a 'robot'. Yes, he does fight in straight lines, but he moves well in these straight lines, in and out of range, in a subtle way. You also say he relys on the 1-2, but surely you can see he posesses a mean uppercut, not just powerful, but delivered with expert timing and speed. Is this not a 'skill'? I'm not saying he is the most skilled fighter ever, but calling him a 'robot', or a 'basic European fighter' is going too far. I think he combines a decent set of 'skill' with good power, chin and heart.

don't know what you're getting at. i'm not sure why you're even mentioning his chin and heart. Like I said, he's a fine fighter and he's very effective, but he's as basic as an elite boxer can get. his uppercut is delivered with expert timing and speed? hardly. Go watch Vernon Forrest.

I thought it was quite obvious what i was getting at. I think you are wrong to describe him as a 'robot', and a 'basic European fighter'. Thats it. Done. Thats the point. And i mention his chin and heart in ADDITION to his skills.

alright. don't get me wrong, i think Kessler's a top fighter and an impressive athlete. but he is basic. he'd probably do much better with a better trainer.

[Mr140]

Yet again here we go you are trying to compare a lmw with a hw which does not work. If Veron was as big as Wald was i doubt his skill set would be much better you can not compare a Hw with the other divisions. Thats why i think Ali is one of the most skilled fighters to step foot in the ring. The man could do all the things the lower weight guys could do and for a his size thats a hard thing to do so i dont expect every heavy to do it. If you want to see a heavyweight guy that is as big as Wald, fight like a Whitker, Mayweather, Hopkins, Leonard or a jones you are watching the wrong division my friend. Reason why is that you most likly while not get what you are looking for.

[DaxxKahn]

even his fans admit this.

he's a basic fighter. he and wladimir klitschko are called robots for a reason. i don't see how you can't see that. he fights in a division full of basic fighters and he's the least flawed one. The jab and the 1-2 is his bread and butter. he's a fine fighter and i like watching his fights but he's no technician.

firstly, are you only skillful if you are a 'technician'?
Secondly, I'm not sure his fans would refer to him as a 'robot'. Yes, he does fight in straight lines, but he moves well in these straight lines, in and out of range, in a subtle way. You also say he relys on the 1-2, but surely you can see he posesses a mean uppercut, not just powerful, but delivered with expert timing and speed. Is this not a 'skill'? I'm not saying he is the most skilled fighter ever, but calling him a 'robot', or a 'basic European fighter' is going too far. I think he combines a decent set of 'skill' with good power, chin and heart.

don't know what you're getting at. i'm not sure why you're even mentioning his chin and heart. Like I said, he's a fine fighter and he's very effective, but he's as basic as an elite boxer can get. his uppercut is delivered with expert timing and speed? hardly. Go watch Vernon Forrest.

.....WTF does Vernon Forrest have to do with this discussion

[jokaleras]

firstly, are you only skillful if you are a 'technician'?
Secondly, I'm not sure his fans would refer to him as a 'robot'. Yes, he does fight in straight lines, but he moves well in these straight lines, in and out of range, in a subtle way. You also say he relys on the 1-2, but surely you can see he posesses a mean uppercut, not just powerful, but delivered with expert timing and speed. Is this not a 'skill'? I'm not saying he is the most skilled fighter ever, but calling him a 'robot', or a 'basic European fighter' is going too far. I think he combines a decent set of 'skill' with good power, chin and heart.

don't know what you're getting at. i'm not sure why you're even mentioning his chin and heart. Like I said, he's a fine fighter and he's very effective, but he's as basic as an elite boxer can get. his uppercut is delivered with expert timing and speed? hardly. Go watch Vernon Forrest.

.....WTF does Vernon Forrest have to do with this discussion

wow. you can't be serious. looks like you just wanted to bump the thread.

[ryanman]

don't know what you're getting at. i'm not sure why you're even mentioning his chin and heart. Like I said, he's a fine fighter and he's very effective, but he's as basic as an elite boxer can get. his uppercut is delivered with expert timing and speed? hardly. Go watch Vernon Forrest.

.....WTF does Vernon Forrest have to do with this discussion

wow. you can't be serious. looks like you just wanted to bump the thread.

Huh?you're confusing me now, you mention Vernon Forrest, Daxx then asks what Forrest has to do with the discussion, you then say he can't be serious and is trying to bump the thread?! What on earth are you talking about?

[jokaleras]

shut up dumbass.

[ryanman]

shut up dumbass.

you are a bit of a clown aren't you?

[jokaleras]

haha. that's rich coming from you. moron.