Top Amateurs need to start faster

[JazMerkin]

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

Fair enough, but I still think that fighting 10 rounds in only his 3rd pro fight is worthy of credit. On another note, I was doing the boxrec thing & saw Rigondeaux's last tomato can beat the only man to ever beat Nonito Donaire. So following Hatton-hugger logic (Hatton KO'd Castillo who Mayweather only closely beat) that must mean that Rigondeaux is now pound for pound top 10. Taeth will be happy

[holmcall]

[OumaFan]

The guy's about to have his third fight

Three fights. 3. Who cares what a guy does in his first three fights?

[BoomBoom]

I agree completely. I see some of these amateurs like Demetrius Andrade or Danny O'Connor and look at the guys they are fighting and that makes me not waste my time to watch them, because the result of the fight is already determined before the first bell. Tszyu, De La Hoya, among other top amateurs fought stiff opposition from the start and that only helped them to grow as fighters. Getting used to fighting no-hoper only makes a fighter get lazy or complacent.

[Andre]

Kostya was born for the pros. He was a natural finisher and went after his man more than points so I think the transition came more naturally to him as well.

[Kel]

Kostya was born for the pros. He was a natural finisher and went after his man more than points so I think the transition came more naturally to him as well.

You are bang on! Tszyu was fucking great to watch!

[Taeth]

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

Fair enough, but I still think that fighting 10 rounds in only his 3rd pro fight is worthy of credit. On another note, I was doing the boxrec thing & saw Rigondeaux's last tomato can beat the only man to ever beat Nonito Donaire. So following Hatton-hugger logic (Hatton KO'd Castillo who Mayweather only closely beat) that must mean that Rigondeaux is now pound for pound top 10. Taeth will be happy

Sorry what has Rigondeaux done so far to not prove him to be a future top boxer in the sport? After watching him, and all his fights that are on youtube, how can you not be convinced of how good he is? Or do we have to weight for him to beat guys like Vazquez, JML, Marquez, and Gamboa? Because it will happen in the next couple of years.

[Zelley]

I think the boxer and his team need to establish a four year plan to fight for a title. Each step along the way should be a slow improvement in quality of opposition and a test against various styles.

[holmcall]

I think the boxer and his team need to establish a four year plan to fight for a title. Each step along the way should be a slow improvement in quality of opposition and a test against various styles.

Like Russ Abner is doing with Canadian David Lemuiex (16-0 with 16 kos). That is agreat model to follow IMO.

[jokaleras]

you forgot to space between 'a' and 'great'. otherwise, good call holmcall.

[holmcall]

you forgot to space between 'a' and 'great'. otherwise, good call holmcall.

AAaargh!

[Violent Demise]

The guy's about to have his third fight

Three fights. 3. Who cares what a guy does in his first three fights?

When people claim your the greatest amateur fighter ever and a for sure pound for pound fighter it matters

I think the boxer and his team need to establish a four year plan to fight for a title. Each step along the way should be a slow improvement in quality of opposition and a test against various styles.

Like Russ Abner is doing with Canadian David Lemuiex (16-0 with 16 kos). That is agreat model to follow IMO.

I've had my eye on Lemieux since he turned pro.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post505336

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post505361

I think he was 4-0 at that time

[El Kabong]

I think we can say Tavoris Cloud has moved along quite nicely. He could have EASILY been in over his head vs Clinton Woods this early in his career.

[holmcall]

I think we can say Tavoris Cloud has moved along quite nicely. He could have EASILY been in over his head vs Clinton Woods this early in his career.

I agree. His team has handled him very well. He comes to fight a full 12 rounds.

[OumaFan]

The guy's about to have his third fight

Three fights. 3. Who cares what a guy does in his first three fights?

When people claim your the greatest amateur fighter ever and a for sure pound for pound fighter it matters

No, I still don't think so, its just nitpicking to me. Its three fights In fact I'm proposing a new rule, no one can complain about who somebody fights in his first three fights. I doubt it will pass. His fourth fight though is fair game