Mayweather-Marquez 24/7 Drinking Game

[Taeth]

Ok Taeth, how about this...

I have Jose Luis Castillo LANDING and THROWING 2x as many punches as Mayweather in their first fight. Mayweather wins lopsided decision.

So, with DLH, do the punch numbers matter if you are throwing pepper while your opponent is throwing steel? One out of 20 of Mayweather's shots were actually thrown with any intent.

Where was this 'steel' De La Hoya was throwing? I thought that by rounds Mayweather controlled almost all of them & I had it 117-111 when watched with the commentary off.

The Castillo fight on the other hand whilst I had a narrow 114-113 victory for Mayweather, I can easily see it going the other way & Castillo may have had the more decisive rounds. The scorecards in that fight were a complete fuckin joke.

I don't score by punch numbers, maybe Taeth does, I do it by who takes each round, not the flow of the fight. That's why I had Clottey beating Cotto because of rounds, although if you look it as a fight Cotto looked like the guy who won. ElTerrible is right though, Taeth simply can't be objective about any fighter he's a fan of.

DLH landed the harder shots and it was evident on PBF's face, he had more than decent swelling while Oscar came out clean

Watch Cotto-Ndou dumbass, who's face came out looking worse, and who was throwing the harder punches? Or Cotto-Margarito after six rounds of hitting MArgarito twice as hard it was Cotto's face that came out looking bad.

[Taeth]

no one's disputing that Mayweather won, but no way was it 9 rnds to 3 or eve 8 rnds to 4, DLH made him work, Mayweather won by 115-113 on my card, and i don't think that's an insult, cause Mayweather fought DLH when he still had something left, and at a weight where he was still pretty effective

No way, Oscar won maybe rounds 2,4,7. You could weakly argue 6 (Oscar lands 2 nice lefts to the body early and 1 nice right late, but Mayweather peppering him with punches all round and they exchange at the bell, looking amazing defensively and dictating the pace even though he is going backwards).

But Mayweather clearly won 1,3,5,8 and on. That is 9-3 or 8-4, watch the fight again without neanderthal that coming forward and walking through punches wins you rounds.

Mayweather almost landed twice as many punches in the fight, he almost doubled the jabs landed by Oscar. Watch the fight without the volume on(HBO is super biased towards OScar), and without alchohol and you will see that Mayweather handily beat Oscar.

Ok Taeth, how about this...

I have Jose Luis Castillo LANDING and THROWING 2x as many punches as Mayweather in their first fight. Mayweather wins lopsided decision.

So, with DLH, do the punch numbers matter if you are throwing pepper while your opponent is throwing steel? One out of 20 of Mayweather's shots were actually thrown with any intent.

Mayweather-Castillo I had crap scorecards, I had Mayweather by one round, but when did Castillo double Mayweather's output or landed punches?

Also Mayweather is a natural 130 pound fighter, and it was Oscar that got hurt if either of them did in that fight.

[Taeth]

DLH landed the harder shots and it was evident on PBF's face, he had more than decent swelling while Oscar came out clean

Oscar also outweighed him by at least 15lbs, hence his punches being harder. To me neither looked like they'd been in a fight, but are you really saying you'd score a fight based on slight swelling above one eye?

Found the vid - Would you really say that is real swelling? It probably came from that final flurry at the end, so do you decide a fight on that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoEn...eature=related

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

116-112 is 8-4 roundwise, and 115-113 is rediculous, you would have to give rounds where OScar used blind, ineffective aggression, to rally that scorecard. Since when did walking into punches win you rounds?

[Althugz]

The problem with using "landed" punch stats as an indicator as to who won the fight is that if it goes to points, you can't say Fighter A won because his punch TOTAL was twice what Fighter B's was.

E.G Mayweather Castillo - If we look at the punch stats after maybe rounds 5 and 6, I'm 95% sure Mayweather would have been ahead - He slowed down after the 6th round but if you've already got 6 rounds in the bag, does it really matter whether the other fighter ends up landing more total punches by the end of the fight?? I thought Mayweather nicked it by a round because he took too many early rounds and had one round later on. As Jaz Merkin says, Castillo won rounds more decisively and towards the end of the fight hence why people made a big hoo hah imo.

Then there's the fact that compubox stats are crap - come on, if Calzaghe was in an amateur contest with Hopkins and using correct punching technique he probably would have scored the least punches on Hopkins than any other fighter. It's supposed to be a "punchstat" not a "slapstat"

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

No way, Oscar won maybe rounds 2,4,7. You could weakly argue 6 (Oscar lands 2 nice lefts to the body early and 1 nice right late, but Mayweather peppering him with punches all round and they exchange at the bell, looking amazing defensively and dictating the pace even though he is going backwards).

But Mayweather clearly won 1,3,5,8 and on. That is 9-3 or 8-4, watch the fight again without neanderthal that coming forward and walking through punches wins you rounds.

Mayweather almost landed twice as many punches in the fight, he almost doubled the jabs landed by Oscar. Watch the fight without the volume on(HBO is super biased towards OScar), and without alchohol and you will see that Mayweather handily beat Oscar.

Ok Taeth, how about this...

I have Jose Luis Castillo LANDING and THROWING 2x as many punches as Mayweather in their first fight. Mayweather wins lopsided decision.

So, with DLH, do the punch numbers matter if you are throwing pepper while your opponent is throwing steel? One out of 20 of Mayweather's shots were actually thrown with any intent.

Mayweather-Castillo I had crap scorecards, I had Mayweather by one round, but when did Castillo double Mayweather's output or landed punches?

Also Mayweather is a natural 130 pound fighter, and it was Oscar that got hurt if either of them did in that fight.

Sorry to go off topic but Mayweather is NOT a natural 130 pounder.

He might of been for a few years but he isn't now and hasn't been since he starved himself for FOUR days to make weight for the Jesus Chavez fight back in 2001.

He has spent more years OUT of the superfeather weight division than in it.
You think he can even get to 135 these days? I dont think so Teath.

The whole ''he's a natural ______'' is a redundant argument where young, developing fighters are concerned. You can't tell me that Manny Pacquiao is a natural 130 pounder. You can't tell me Paul Williams is a natural 147 pounder. Every weight that Roy Jones Jnr fought at was natural bar Heavyweight.... Same goes for Oscar Dela Hoya (again, bar middleweight).

You just cant go around labelling these guys as natural anything other than the weight they are fighting in... Or at least the weight of their opponents

[ElTerribleMorales]

Where was this 'steel' De La Hoya was throwing? I thought that by rounds Mayweather controlled almost all of them & I had it 117-111 when watched with the commentary off.

The Castillo fight on the other hand whilst I had a narrow 114-113 victory for Mayweather, I can easily see it going the other way & Castillo may have had the more decisive rounds. The scorecards in that fight were a complete fuckin joke.

I don't score by punch numbers, maybe Taeth does, I do it by who takes each round, not the flow of the fight. That's why I had Clottey beating Cotto because of rounds, although if you look it as a fight Cotto looked like the guy who won. ElTerrible is right though, Taeth simply can't be objective about any fighter he's a fan of.

DLH landed the harder shots and it was evident on PBF's face, he had more than decent swelling while Oscar came out clean

Watch Cotto-Ndou dumbass, who's face came out looking worse, and who was throwing the harder punches? Or Cotto-Margarito after six rounds of hitting MArgarito twice as hard it was Cotto's face that came out looking bad.

you need to cool it down, need to lean that your retarded logic isn't the same as 90% of the worlds population, seriously you bitch more than a chick while being on the rag, Cotto didn't beat N'dou just cause he outlanded him, and yea Cotto-Margarito? are you serious?, real smart dumbass use a fighter who was already suspended for using illegal wraps as an example of a fighter dishing out more damage, and from the post under, it's obvious you're blinded for your love for your favorite fighters, i felt unbiasedly that Mayweather won the fight 115-113 as did many others, aaaaaaand at the VERY MOST he could have won (meaning i have an open mind to accept of even acknowledge the possibility, unlike others) that he won 116-112, but to say it was basically a shut out is ridiculous you fucking tool, get a grip fanboy

[JazMerkin]

DLH landed the harder shots and it was evident on PBF's face, he had more than decent swelling while Oscar came out clean

Oscar also outweighed him by at least 15lbs, hence his punches being harder. To me neither looked like they'd been in a fight, but are you really saying you'd score a fight based on slight swelling above one eye?

Found the vid - Would you really say that is real swelling? It probably came from that final flurry at the end, so do you decide a fight on that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoEn...eature=related

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

Well, so do I if you're trying to imply that I score a fight with bias, I just can't see 5 Oscar rounds in that fight, not when you watch it without Lampley & Merchant cheerleading (watch the 2nd Mosley fight with the sound off & you will see a different fight).

At the time I think I scored it 116-112, but watching it recently I only gave Oscar 3 rounds. I'm not saying it was a shut-out, it was a pretty competitive fight, but round by round Mayweather was better 9 of the 12 for me.

One case in point is that often as boxing fans we tend to see the guy who finishes stronger as winning the fight if it's close. An obvious example is Cotto-Clottey. Even whilst I scored the fight on paper & had it for Clottey, at the finish I had the impression Cotto had won because he closed out better for me. Or Leonard-Hagler, everytime I watched that I mentally decided Hagler won, but when I actually sat down & scored each round I had it narrowly for Leonard.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar also outweighed him by at least 15lbs, hence his punches being harder. To me neither looked like they'd been in a fight, but are you really saying you'd score a fight based on slight swelling above one eye?

Found the vid - Would you really say that is real swelling? It probably came from that final flurry at the end, so do you decide a fight on that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoEn...eature=related

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

Well, so do I if you're trying to imply that I score a fight with bias, I just can't see 5 Oscar rounds in that fight, not when you watch it without Lampley & Merchant cheerleading (watch the 2nd Mosley fight with the sound off & you will see a different fight).

At the time I think I scored it 116-112, but watching it recently I only gave Oscar 3 rounds. I'm not saying it was a shut-out, it was a pretty competitive fight, but round by round Mayweather was better 9 of the 12 for me.

One case in point is that often as boxing fans we tend to see the guy who finishes stronger as winning the fight if it's close. An obvious example is Cotto-Clottey. Even whilst I scored the fight on paper & had it for Clottey, at the finish I had the impression Cotto had won because he closed out better for me. Or Leonard-Hagler, everytime I watched that I mentally decided Hagler won, but when I actually sat down & scored each round I had it narrowly for Leonard.

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

[Taeth]

DLH landed the harder shots and it was evident on PBF's face, he had more than decent swelling while Oscar came out clean

Watch Cotto-Ndou dumbass, who's face came out looking worse, and who was throwing the harder punches? Or Cotto-Margarito after six rounds of hitting MArgarito twice as hard it was Cotto's face that came out looking bad.

you need to cool it down, need to lean that your retarded logic isn't the same as 90% of the worlds population, seriously you bitch more than a chick while being on the rag, Cotto didn't beat N'dou just cause he outlanded him, and yea Cotto-Margarito? are you serious?, real smart dumbass use a fighter who was already suspended for using illegal wraps as an example of a fighter dishing out more damage, and from the post under, it's obvious you're blinded for your love for your favorite fighters, i felt unbiasedly that Mayweather won the fight 115-113 as did many others, aaaaaaand at the VERY MOST he could have won (meaning i have an open mind to accept of even acknowledge the possibility, unlike others) that he won 116-112, but to say it was basically a shut out is ridiculous you fucking tool, get a grip fanboy

I am chilled, your the one with poor logic, and you can't read. I wasn't the one who said Cotto was landing both more and harder shots against Ndou and it was Cotto's face that was battered in that fight. Cotto landed harder punches against Mosley, and it was his face that looked the worse for wear. Hell even Judah-Cotto looked pretty even if you were going by how both fighters looked after the fight.

Or look at Oscar against Steve Forbes, Oscar's face looked like a wreck after that fight while Forbes' may have had some nose bleeding, but Oscar dominated that fight.

Mayweather has been cut before and he gets swelling. THere was no swelling on his face going into the twelth round, it was one combination of hard punches by Oscar that did that to his face.

Who is bringing up punch stats anyways? I think they are terrible. They score punches when guys are clinched up (Hopkins, Calzaghe, Castillo, etc) they miss landed punches, they come up with numbers that make no sense (I have watched rounds in Calzaghe-Hopkins where Joe lands maybe 5 punches and they come up 25-30 punches landed for him).

Mayweather-De La Hoya was pretty competitive, but Mayweather was clearly a different level of fighter, and Oscar couldn't do his thing, while Mayweather could. I am not going by punch stats, but watching the fight Mayweahter landed his jab more, and he landed power punches more. He wasn't effective offensively anywhere near to the level Pacquiao was, but his great defensive work has to count for something.

IMO it was the same type of scoring that had Oscar way ahead against Whitaker, or that had Trinidad beating Oscar... way too much credit is given to the aggressor.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Watch Cotto-Ndou dumbass, who's face came out looking worse, and who was throwing the harder punches? Or Cotto-Margarito after six rounds of hitting MArgarito twice as hard it was Cotto's face that came out looking bad.

you need to cool it down, need to lean that your retarded logic isn't the same as 90% of the worlds population, seriously you bitch more than a chick while being on the rag, Cotto didn't beat N'dou just cause he outlanded him, and yea Cotto-Margarito? are you serious?, real smart dumbass use a fighter who was already suspended for using illegal wraps as an example of a fighter dishing out more damage, and from the post under, it's obvious you're blinded for your love for your favorite fighters, i felt unbiasedly that Mayweather won the fight 115-113 as did many others, aaaaaaand at the VERY MOST he could have won (meaning i have an open mind to accept of even acknowledge the possibility, unlike others) that he won 116-112, but to say it was basically a shut out is ridiculous you fucking tool, get a grip fanboy

I am chilled, your the one with poor logic, and you can't read. I wasn't the one who said Cotto was landing both more and harder shots against Ndou and it was Cotto's face that was battered in that fight. Cotto landed harder punches against Mosley, and it was his face that looked the worse for wear. Hell even Judah-Cotto looked pretty even if you were going by how both fighters looked after the fight.

Or look at Oscar against Steve Forbes, Oscar's face looked like a wreck after that fight while Forbes' may have had some nose bleeding, but Oscar dominated that fight.

Mayweather has been cut before and he gets swelling. THere was no swelling on his face going into the twelth round, it was one combination of hard punches by Oscar that did that to his face.

Who is bringing up punch stats anyways? I think they are terrible. They score punches when guys are clinched up (Hopkins, Calzaghe, Castillo, etc) they miss landed punches, they come up with numbers that make no sense (I have watched rounds in Calzaghe-Hopkins where Joe lands maybe 5 punches and they come up 25-30 punches landed for him).

Mayweather-De La Hoya was pretty competitive, but Mayweather was clearly a different level of fighter, and Oscar couldn't do his thing, while Mayweather could. I am not going by punch stats, but watching the fight Mayweahter landed his jab more, and he landed power punches more. He wasn't effective offensively anywhere near to the level Pacquiao was, but his great defensive work has to count for something.

IMO it was the same type of scoring that had Oscar way ahead against Whitaker, or that had Trinidad beating Oscar... way too much credit is given to the aggressor.

you brought up the punch stats lol, saying that Mayweather landed more and threw more accurately, he outlanded DLH 2 to 1, you wouldn't know that crap unless you counted every goddam punch, tool

[JazMerkin]

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

Well, so do I if you're trying to imply that I score a fight with bias, I just can't see 5 Oscar rounds in that fight, not when you watch it without Lampley & Merchant cheerleading (watch the 2nd Mosley fight with the sound off & you will see a different fight).

At the time I think I scored it 116-112, but watching it recently I only gave Oscar 3 rounds. I'm not saying it was a shut-out, it was a pretty competitive fight, but round by round Mayweather was better 9 of the 12 for me.

One case in point is that often as boxing fans we tend to see the guy who finishes stronger as winning the fight if it's close. An obvious example is Cotto-Clottey. Even whilst I scored the fight on paper & had it for Clottey, at the finish I had the impression Cotto had won because he closed out better for me. Or Leonard-Hagler, everytime I watched that I mentally decided Hagler won, but when I actually sat down & scored each round I had it narrowly for Leonard.

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Well, so do I if you're trying to imply that I score a fight with bias, I just can't see 5 Oscar rounds in that fight, not when you watch it without Lampley & Merchant cheerleading (watch the 2nd Mosley fight with the sound off & you will see a different fight).

At the time I think I scored it 116-112, but watching it recently I only gave Oscar 3 rounds. I'm not saying it was a shut-out, it was a pretty competitive fight, but round by round Mayweather was better 9 of the 12 for me.

One case in point is that often as boxing fans we tend to see the guy who finishes stronger as winning the fight if it's close. An obvious example is Cotto-Clottey. Even whilst I scored the fight on paper & had it for Clottey, at the finish I had the impression Cotto had won because he closed out better for me. Or Leonard-Hagler, everytime I watched that I mentally decided Hagler won, but when I actually sat down & scored each round I had it narrowly for Leonard.

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

see i can respect your opinion cause you don't just thrash other people for disagreeing with you, unlike Taeth, i've watched Mosley/DLH II without commentary and come up with the same score 116-112 for DLH i felt he controlled most of the first 9 rounds, and Mosley took over a bit winning 3 of the final 4 rounds, agree that HBO's commentators are usually biased, but hey i'm not a drone lol

[JazMerkin]

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

see i can respect your opinion cause you don't just thrash other people for disagreeing with you, unlike Taeth, i've watched Mosley/DLH II without commentary and come up with the same score 116-112 for DLH i felt he controlled most of the first 9 rounds, and Mosley took over a bit winning 3 of the final 4 rounds, agree that HBO's commentators are usually biased, but hey i'm not a drone lol

Lol fair enough. I thought Oscar took most of the early rounds & then started to gas a little after the 6th, with Mosley taking over from there. Can't remember which rounds went to who. HBO's commentators are hilarious, watching an Oscar fight, he could have swing & miss by a foot & Lampley would go "aaannd there's Oscar with a HUGE LEFT HOOK THAT CONNECTS!"

What's great is when the commentary team & Lederman go in completely opposite directions. Like when Lederman scored a round for Collazo in the Berto fight that was about a clear a Berto round as there was. Meanwhile Lennox is acting like Berto is the reincarnation of SRR in a solid Collazo round. I think Teddy Atlas & Lederman would be a match made in heaven, certainly comedy wise

[ElTerribleMorales]

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

see i can respect your opinion cause you don't just thrash other people for disagreeing with you, unlike Taeth, i've watched Mosley/DLH II without commentary and come up with the same score 116-112 for DLH i felt he controlled most of the first 9 rounds, and Mosley took over a bit winning 3 of the final 4 rounds, agree that HBO's commentators are usually biased, but hey i'm not a drone lol

Lol fair enough. I thought Oscar took most of the early rounds & then started to gas a little after the 6th, with Mosley taking over from there. Can't remember which rounds went to who. HBO's commentators are hilarious, watching an Oscar fight, he could have swing & miss by a foot & Lampley would go "aaannd there's Oscar with a HUGE LEFT HOOK THAT CONNECTS!"

What's great is when the commentary team & Lederman go in completely opposite directions. Like when Lederman scored a round for Collazo in the Berto fight that was about a clear a Berto round as there was. Meanwhile Lennox is acting like Berto is the reincarnation of SRR in a solid Collazo round. I think Teddy Atlas & Lederman would be a match made in heaven, certainly comedy wise

yea, i hate it though when they're backing one fighter and when things go south, they quickly jump shit, Manny Steward does this all the time, and usually throws in a bullshit "i had a feeling this was going to happen"

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

Ruined my thread man...ruined my thread.