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Ok Taeth, how about this...

I have Jose Luis Castillo LANDING and THROWING 2x as many punches as Mayweather in their first fight. Mayweather wins lopsided decision.

So, with DLH, do the punch numbers matter if you are throwing pepper while your opponent is throwing steel? One out of 20 of Mayweather's shots were actually thrown with any intent.
Mayweather-Castillo I had crap scorecards, I had Mayweather by one round, but when did Castillo double Mayweather's output or landed punches?

Also Mayweather is a natural 130 pound fighter, and it was Oscar that got hurt if either of them did in that fight.
Sorry to go off topic but Mayweather is NOT a natural 130 pounder.

He might of been for a few years but he isn't now and hasn't been since he starved himself for FOUR days to make weight for the Jesus Chavez fight back in 2001.

He has spent more years OUT of the superfeather weight division than in it.
You think he can even get to 135 these days? I dont think so Teath.

The whole ''he's a natural ______'' is a redundant argument where young, developing fighters are concerned. You can't tell me that Manny Pacquiao is a natural 130 pounder. You can't tell me Paul Williams is a natural 147 pounder. Every weight that Roy Jones Jnr fought at was natural bar Heavyweight.... Same goes for Oscar Dela Hoya (again, bar middleweight).

You just cant go around labelling these guys as natural anything other than the weight they are fighting in... Or at least the weight of their opponents
Mayweather was putting on weight to move up from 130 as soon as he beat Corrales. He moved out of 130 and 135 with a lot of work in the weightroom which made making weight for Chavez and Ndou tough, but its not because he was too big for the weight classes. You can tell by his diminishing punchstats and his progressively more and more defensive style that Mayweather moved up quicker than he should have. Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Clottey, Collazo all have weighed in around 160 for welterweight fights, MAyweather comes in at 150 tops. That is ten pounds smaller than these guys. You can't say he is naturally the same size as guys that walk around 30-40 pounds heavier than him.

To go back to the biased thing, go back a few years and you will see I hated Pacquiao, I hated Calzaghe, I hated a lot of guys. Now I like most of the top fighters. I am biased towards skill in all forms, and thats it.