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I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.
plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.
Thats quite an oxymoron Rains.. The whole premise of this conversation was to draw an illustration of how Floyd is all of a sudden fighting nothing but smaller fighters. So what your implying is Floyd is doing nothing wrong as long as he keeps fighting smaller guys coming up in weight like Hopkins

Again its foolish to try and compare a severly lacking Middleweight division that BHop ruled than the golden Era of the 140's today.

Point being you cant rake on Floyd for fighting 2 guys back to back that were not Welters and than laud Hop for doing it. Sorry dosent add up, any way you spin it, undeniably Hops biggest wins were against guys that were naturally smaller than him.

I am not tainting Hop's career he deserves all of his due and accolades, I'm just making a comparison on how its a blatant double standard
so your going with the excuse that the welter is at a golden era so that gives floyd the reason not to try clear up the division? What I was saying is it wouldnt be a bad thing if floyd had cleared up 147, like what bhop did with the middleweight division. Fighting smaller fighters who come to him at 147 after clearing up his division or atleast have 1 or 2 fights in the direction of clearing it up would be all good. Not how his doing it now, showing no effort to clear up what you say is a golden era of the welters but declaring himself atg by picking on smaller fighters.

Would be interesting to see who floyd fights next.

Lesser fighter but bigger guys then JMM did better then JMM against floyd, but weight had nothing to do with the results still right?