Cotto vs Chop Chop Corley

[mnmc10]

Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

i agree

[Dark Lord Al]

The outcome is far from being certain , i personally think PACMAN beats him inside 4 , i think PAC will be to fast for Cotto.
If the fight goes into the later stages the body punching of Cotto may be vital .
But as i said PACMAN jumps on Cotto and wins by stoppage.

[Nameless]

yeah that a while ago, and since cotto has been at his proper weight he's only seriously been hurt by margo. And that was from an accumilation

you didn't finish your sentence. It should have said: "And that was fron an accumilation of loaded leather

[The Boxer]

yeah that a while ago, and since cotto has been at his proper weight he's only seriously been hurt by margo. And that was from an accumilation

you didn't finish your sentence. It should have said: "And that was fron an accumilation of loaded leather

ain't that the truth

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

[Majesty]

Cotto had trouble making weight? Yet he stayed at that weight for 2 more years and didn't look as bad when he destroyed Abdullaev in his very next fight did he? In fact he weighed 2 pounds less then he did for the Corley fight.

[amat]

Cotto had trouble making weight? Yet he stayed at that weight for 2 more years and didn't look as bad when he destroyed Abdullaev in his very next fight did he? In fact he weighed 2 pounds less then he did for the Corley fight.

Majesty it was WELL KNOWN that Cotto had weight problems even from his early days at 140. Go back and watch fights it's constantly commented on and yes it was a very serious thing for him. I'm sure you remember Paulie making a fuss when they moved the weigh in to noon to help him rehydrate more before the fight. Just because he weighed 2 pounds less and fought good against an amateur rival doesn't mean anything. Yeah he was juiced for that fight no doubt that doesn't mean weight wasn't a problem. Cotto had problems with the weight all along. I don't think that has much to do with his questionable tactics at times just walking guys down, ect. but it was a problem. You could see a visible difference in his comfort level when he moved to 147.

[Majesty]

Cotto had trouble making weight? Yet he stayed at that weight for 2 more years and didn't look as bad when he destroyed Abdullaev in his very next fight did he? In fact he weighed 2 pounds less then he did for the Corley fight.

Majesty it was WELL KNOWN that Cotto had weight problems even from his early days at 140. Go back and watch fights it's constantly commented on and yes it was a very serious thing for him. I'm sure you remember Paulie making a fuss when they moved the weigh in to noon to help him rehydrate more before the fight. Just because he weighed 2 pounds less and fought good against an amateur rival doesn't mean anything. Yeah he was juiced for that fight no doubt that doesn't mean weight wasn't a problem. Cotto had problems with the weight all along. I don't think that has much to do with his questionable tactics at times just walking guys down, ect. but it was a problem. You could see a visible difference in his comfort level when he moved to 147.

Yeah but at the same time you can't use the weight excuse for one fight when the very next fight he weighs in less and looks spectacular. His weight issues had no bearing on him getting stunned by Corley. He got stunned, end of.

You can't say "Oh he looked bad cause of the weight in this fight but the very next fight he was fine" if every time he's ever looked bad at 140 it was the weight and it shut on and off is hard to believe. I can give you the Malignaggi fight. But the whole "he looked bad cause of his weight in this fight but looked just fine if not spectacular in his next one" doesn't hold too much weight imo.

[The Boxer]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

[The Boxer]

Weight drain my ass. Cotto was trying to use his size to his advantage and i say he did a pretty good job since he is undefeated at 140lbs.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

[ICB]

PBF wasn't that damn hurt.

He was hurt as much as Miguel Cotto was, but not for as long. And that is due to the fact Floyd Mayweather, has a superior defense and knows how to stay out of trouble/avoding punches, similar to Pernell Whitaker vs Roger Maywetaher.

Plus he also takes a punch better than Miguel Cotto IMO, i know Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't been hit that often. But IMO from what i have seen he does take a punch pretty well.

Where as Miguel Cotto gets shaken up in pretty much, alot of his fights. I've never thought he's had a good chin, even when he moved up. I think he has great recovery powers, but great recovery powers doesn't mean you have a good chin.

Similar to JMM i think he's chin is somewhat shaky aswell, but he does have great recovery powers which gets him out of any trouble. Just like Miguel Cotto.

[The Boxer]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

Nobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.

Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.

[amat]

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

Nobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.

Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.

Cotto is a better fighter at 147. This much is obvious. Watch his fights with Torres, Branco and Malignaggi then watch the ones versus Quintana, Mosley and Judah. It's night and day. He might not be a better fighter because of the weight, maybe it's just because he's older but to say he's the same fighter at 147 that he was at 140 is foolish. When you watched the fight with Torres would you ever think that that guy would go on to outbox Mosley, Clottey and Judah? No. I don't want to call his approach mindless but it definitely wasn't polished. He was just walking guys down, throwing punches on the way in but all to often just backing out with nothing. I think the Quintana fight was a turning point, had he come into that fight with the mindset of "I'll just blow him away in the exchanges", he would have lost to a very good Quintana. Cotto was a fine looking prospect but he had begun to look very green at the pro ranks and you know he worked hard because he erased all that green-ness. If you want I can post videos and I can tell you all the specific things he is doing now at 147 that he wasn't at 140 but you're the boxer I'm sure you can see for yourself.

Also, the weight has always been, if not a hindrance, a worry.

[ElTerribleMorales]

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

Nobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.

Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.

Cotto is a better fighter at 147. This much is obvious. Watch his fights with Torres, Branco and Malignaggi then watch the ones versus Quintana, Mosley and Judah. It's night and day. He might not be a better fighter because of the weight, maybe it's just because he's older but to say he's the same fighter at 147 that he was at 140 is foolish. When you watched the fight with Torres would you ever think that that guy would go on to outbox Mosley, Clottey and Judah? No. I don't want to call his approach mindless but it definitely wasn't polished. He was just walking guys down, throwing punches on the way in but all to often just backing out with nothing. I think the Quintana fight was a turning point, had he come into that fight with the mindset of "I'll just blow him away in the exchanges", he would have lost to a very good Quintana. Cotto was a fine looking prospect but he had begun to look very green at the pro ranks and you know he worked hard because he erased all that green-ness. If you want I can post videos and I can tell you all the specific things he is doing now at 147 that he wasn't at 140 but you're the boxer I'm sure you can see for yourself.

Also, the weight has always been, if not a hindrance, a worry.

agree, anyone who tries to claim that Cotto hasn't looked better at 147 than at 140 is pretty much blind