Cotto vs Chop Chop Corley

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

[Majesty]

Cotto had trouble making weight? Yet he stayed at that weight for 2 more years and didn't look as bad when he destroyed Abdullaev in his very next fight did he? In fact he weighed 2 pounds less then he did for the Corley fight.

[amat]

Cotto had trouble making weight? Yet he stayed at that weight for 2 more years and didn't look as bad when he destroyed Abdullaev in his very next fight did he? In fact he weighed 2 pounds less then he did for the Corley fight.

Majesty it was WELL KNOWN that Cotto had weight problems even from his early days at 140. Go back and watch fights it's constantly commented on and yes it was a very serious thing for him. I'm sure you remember Paulie making a fuss when they moved the weigh in to noon to help him rehydrate more before the fight. Just because he weighed 2 pounds less and fought good against an amateur rival doesn't mean anything. Yeah he was juiced for that fight no doubt that doesn't mean weight wasn't a problem. Cotto had problems with the weight all along. I don't think that has much to do with his questionable tactics at times just walking guys down, ect. but it was a problem. You could see a visible difference in his comfort level when he moved to 147.

[Majesty]

Cotto had trouble making weight? Yet he stayed at that weight for 2 more years and didn't look as bad when he destroyed Abdullaev in his very next fight did he? In fact he weighed 2 pounds less then he did for the Corley fight.

Majesty it was WELL KNOWN that Cotto had weight problems even from his early days at 140. Go back and watch fights it's constantly commented on and yes it was a very serious thing for him. I'm sure you remember Paulie making a fuss when they moved the weigh in to noon to help him rehydrate more before the fight. Just because he weighed 2 pounds less and fought good against an amateur rival doesn't mean anything. Yeah he was juiced for that fight no doubt that doesn't mean weight wasn't a problem. Cotto had problems with the weight all along. I don't think that has much to do with his questionable tactics at times just walking guys down, ect. but it was a problem. You could see a visible difference in his comfort level when he moved to 147.

Yeah but at the same time you can't use the weight excuse for one fight when the very next fight he weighs in less and looks spectacular. His weight issues had no bearing on him getting stunned by Corley. He got stunned, end of.

You can't say "Oh he looked bad cause of the weight in this fight but the very next fight he was fine" if every time he's ever looked bad at 140 it was the weight and it shut on and off is hard to believe. I can give you the Malignaggi fight. But the whole "he looked bad cause of his weight in this fight but looked just fine if not spectacular in his next one" doesn't hold too much weight imo.

[The Boxer]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

[The Boxer]

Weight drain my ass. Cotto was trying to use his size to his advantage and i say he did a pretty good job since he is undefeated at 140lbs.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

[The Boxer]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

Nobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.

Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.

[amat]

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

Nobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.

Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.

Cotto is a better fighter at 147. This much is obvious. Watch his fights with Torres, Branco and Malignaggi then watch the ones versus Quintana, Mosley and Judah. It's night and day. He might not be a better fighter because of the weight, maybe it's just because he's older but to say he's the same fighter at 147 that he was at 140 is foolish. When you watched the fight with Torres would you ever think that that guy would go on to outbox Mosley, Clottey and Judah? No. I don't want to call his approach mindless but it definitely wasn't polished. He was just walking guys down, throwing punches on the way in but all to often just backing out with nothing. I think the Quintana fight was a turning point, had he come into that fight with the mindset of "I'll just blow him away in the exchanges", he would have lost to a very good Quintana. Cotto was a fine looking prospect but he had begun to look very green at the pro ranks and you know he worked hard because he erased all that green-ness. If you want I can post videos and I can tell you all the specific things he is doing now at 147 that he wasn't at 140 but you're the boxer I'm sure you can see for yourself.

Also, the weight has always been, if not a hindrance, a worry.

[ElTerribleMorales]

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

Nobody was saying anything about Cotto being weight drain back then. People talked about how much weight he use to have to cut to make 140 but it was never mentioned as a set back for Cotto. Cotto size was always mention as an advantage. Peple never spoke about him being dehydrated at 140. Instead people were sayin how big he was and that he was comming into the ring as a middleweight.

Also people keep saying that Cotto is a completley different fighter at 147. I want some clear examples of this. People keep making this statement on this forum but never give example of how this is so. Yes he has fought better comp at 147 but is Cotto completley different i'm not so sure. Other than the Margarito fight where Cotto was winning and losing the fight at the same time Cotto has been pretty much the same. In the Margarito fight he boxed better than i ever thought possible for him but other than that i'm not so sure of this theory of him being a completely different fighter.

Cotto is a better fighter at 147. This much is obvious. Watch his fights with Torres, Branco and Malignaggi then watch the ones versus Quintana, Mosley and Judah. It's night and day. He might not be a better fighter because of the weight, maybe it's just because he's older but to say he's the same fighter at 147 that he was at 140 is foolish. When you watched the fight with Torres would you ever think that that guy would go on to outbox Mosley, Clottey and Judah? No. I don't want to call his approach mindless but it definitely wasn't polished. He was just walking guys down, throwing punches on the way in but all to often just backing out with nothing. I think the Quintana fight was a turning point, had he come into that fight with the mindset of "I'll just blow him away in the exchanges", he would have lost to a very good Quintana. Cotto was a fine looking prospect but he had begun to look very green at the pro ranks and you know he worked hard because he erased all that green-ness. If you want I can post videos and I can tell you all the specific things he is doing now at 147 that he wasn't at 140 but you're the boxer I'm sure you can see for yourself.

Also, the weight has always been, if not a hindrance, a worry.

agree, anyone who tries to claim that Cotto hasn't looked better at 147 than at 140 is pretty much blind

[josef4334]

Some one pleeeease kills this ''Cotto was rocked by Corley'' drama and post up that pic of Cotto at the weight-in where Cotto is so fucked, he looks like that alien out of Mac & Me...

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too

this was your post by the way


Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

[The Boxer]

You said a lot but you still didn't give me any me any examples of how Cotto is a completey different fighter at 147.

I'm not claiming that cotto hasn't looked better at 147. IMO cotto looked the best i've ever saw him when he fought Margarito. Even though he lost Cotto did things that i didn't know he could do. Still over all i don't feel like he is a completley different fighter at 147. Now if he boxed the way he did against Margarito in every fight a 147 then i would agree, but he hasn't. Yes Cotto has made some changes but he's still largely the same fighter. IMO the fight with Margarito showed the depth of his skills. So it's not that i'm blind, but instead that i'm not blinded by my fanhood for Cotto.


Also I'm not saying PAC beats Cotto. Personaly i think Cotto is being written off. All i'm saying is i think it's possible for PAC to hurt Cotto but at the same time Cotto could definetly time PAC when he jumps in the way he does. Also if we go by what someone said early about how chop chop hurting cotto had a lot to do with Cotto being weight drained than don't you think it's possible that PAC could hurt Cotto since the fight is at a catch weight. Myself i'm 50/50 on who wins this fight right now.

[ElTerribleMorales]

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too

this was your post by the way


Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

first off, Pacquiao wasn't knocked down by body shots, he was knocked the fuck out by body shots, and you need to learn sarcasm buddy, i said that using the same retarded logic that Corley (a southpaw) hurt Cotto, means that Pacquiao will, is the same as saying that seeing how Pacquiao was brutally stopped twice to the body, Cotto (the best body puncher today) will destroy him

i think Cotto's gonna beat his ass, but not cause of his two early TKO losses, i think he's going to lose cause he's not fighting a bum who got a gift decision (Diaz), a weight drained shot fighter (DLH), or a guy who although physically in good shape is horribly limited and fought a completely stupid fight (Hatton), he's fighting a strong natural welterweight who isn't shot, if Manny proves me wrong he deserves all the credit in the world, as i said when he beat Hatton

[JonnyFolds]

He wasn't that damn drained. Not only that but nobody told cotto to stay at 140 all that time. Everybody knew that he could have easily fought at 147 and 154 but he chose to fight at 140. He wants to melt down before every fight then thats on him.

Wasn't nobody talking that weight drained shit back in 04 and 05 so don't start now.

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too

this was your post by the way


Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

To be perfectly fair, I think that Cotto has been hurt tons of times, but Manny has been stopped by a Flyweight fighter with decent power. Cotto has fought some big (Clottey), guns blazing (Torres), fast (Judah), smart (Quintana), durable (Mosley) people. I'm not saying Manny hasn't had a great career thus far. But its a matter of where you have campaigned.

[holmcall]

it was early in his career and they did talk about the weight issues, same way Khan's people were talking about him having difficulty at making 135, why do you think Cotto only fought like two or three more times at the weight and jumped ship afterwards? and aside from "Manos de lleso" who's really made Cotto look like he did against Corley? no one really, he's given it to everyone just as good as he's gotten it, he's been rocked but he's hurt everyone he's fought, including Clottey and Mosley, not enough to be anywhere remotely close to stopping or dropping them (besides Clottey) but he shook them up, Cotto at 147 is a completely different fighter than he was at 140

yeah.. that was early in cotto's career.. that dont matter.. but manny got knocked down very early by body shots and all that bs..
by saying that you just contradicted yourself when you keep pointing out that manny was stopped by a body shot... well that was early in his career too

this was your post by the way


Quote:
Originally Posted by AirJordanIV
Hey all! Just watched this fight and can't help but to think Manny will hurt him the same way Corley did in the 3rd round of their fight. Corley hurt Cotto with a right hook from the southpaw stance and I feel Manny would too. I think that Corley was strong but not as dynamic as Pac... Or is this an unfair assessment being that Cotto was a lot younger then and still dealing with a learning curve a the time. What do you think?

first off Cotto was already having trouble making weight, Corley's power was underrated (he managed to rock Judah and Mayweather), and Cotto has since fought opposition that is leaps and bounds above Corley and has performed very well, using the same logic as the one you put forth, Pacquiao will probably fold cause well he was stopped very early by body shots, and Cotto is the best body puncher with killer power that he's faced in a long long time

To be perfectly fair, I think that Cotto has been hurt tons of times, but Manny has been stopped by a Flyweight fighter with decent power. Cotto has fought some big (Clottey), guns blazing (Torres), fast (Judah), smart (Quintana), durable (Mosley) people. I'm not saying Manny hasn't had a great career thus far. But its a matter of where you have campaigned.

Manny was stopped by a body shot and was totally drained going into that fight with 3-K Battery M. He also was a midget. I think it's fair to say that that was then and this is now, just as it's fair tio say Cotto was somewhat drained when he fought Torres.