Roy jones jr vs Mike Tyson

[El Kabong]

I confused the Foreman fight with the Liston fight...Ali was bigger than Sonny and not George, my bad.

Is Ernie Terrell better than anyone I mentioned?

Might I ask if Foreman used his height and reach advantage successfully BEFORE he made his comeback? I don't believe he did, he relied 100% on his power which is why he got caught by Ron Lyle and put down.

My point is that recently BOXERS have invaded the heavyweight division. Guys who can take you the distance or get you out quick. They are bigger stronger (probably not faster) but they are better at controlling pace and range than guys who were fighting back in the 1970's. Also it's a select few great fighters over a period 20 or so years....so it's not crazy to assume they would give anyone a tough fight, I'm not saying those guys would win all the time, I'm just saying Ali never fought anyone with the skill sets of the fighters I mentioned...the closest is maybe Bowe is close to Holmes, other than that he never fought anyone like Lewis, Wlad or Vitali.

[generalbulldog]

Ali was not bigger than Liston, Liston was about 10 pounds heavier in both of their fights. Liston had all of the physical advantages over Ali except for height. Unless your definition of being bigger means taller then we can say Paul Williams and Tommy Hearns was "bigger" than Mike Tyson because they were both taller than him.

[X]

JUst going back to the RJJ v Tyson question ..... assuming we are talking about them both being in their prime:

If it is a pound for pound scenario (and Jones would not have been so quick if he was bigger, whereas Tyson would not have been so powerful if he was smaller) I would say it's a pick-em fight.

Prime Tyson v Prime Jones in the same ring would have resulted in Tyson overwhelming Jones and blasting him out early, I'm afraid.

[El Kabong]

Ali was not bigger than Liston, Liston was about 10 pounds heavier in both of their fights. Liston had all of the physical advantages over Ali except for height. Unless your definition of being bigger means taller then we can say Paul Williams and Tommy Hearns was "bigger" than Mike Tyson because they were both taller than him.

But we can say the 22 year old Ali had not fully filled out his frame and that is not the case for Hearns/Williams in comparison to Tyson.

Hearns did fill out to light heavyweight though. And I'm thinking Williams may be able to fill out to 168 or so.

[rjj tszyu]

I confused the Foreman fight with the Liston fight...Ali was bigger than Sonny and not George, my bad.

Is Ernie Terrell better than anyone I mentioned?

Might I ask if Foreman used his height and reach advantage successfully BEFORE he made his comeback? I don't believe he did, he relied 100% on his power which is why he got caught by Ron Lyle and put down.

My point is that recently BOXERS have invaded the heavyweight division. Guys who can take you the distance or get you out quick. They are bigger stronger (probably not faster) but they are better at controlling pace and range than guys who were fighting back in the 1970's. Also it's a select few great fighters over a period 20 or so years....so it's not crazy to assume they would give anyone a tough fight, I'm not saying those guys would win all the time, I'm just saying Ali never fought anyone with the skill sets of the fighters I mentioned...the closest is maybe Bowe is close to Holmes, other than that he never fought anyone like Lewis, Wlad or Vitali.

Against Lyle though Foreman had the Ali demons in his head which he did not take well, watch him work the jab here against Chuvalo and tell me he didn't use his height and reach well and work behind the jab.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2KRcH1N-xY