Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

[Kirkland Laing]

Haye probably pulls this one off, but I think there will be some scary moments for him....like when Valuev first hits him in the back of the head and that WILL happen.

So basically what you're saying is that you think David Haye is a world-class heavyweight boxer.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Haye probably pulls this one off, but I think there will be some scary moments for him....like when Valuev first hits him in the back of the head and that WILL happen.

So basically what you're saying is that you think David Haye is a world-class heavyweight boxer.

pretty sure he's not, he's probably just saying it given how much of a shitty fighter Valuev is

[HattonTheHammer]

Haye probably pulls this one off, but I think there will be some scary moments for him....like when Valuev first hits him in the back of the head and that WILL happen.

So basically what you're saying is that you think David Haye is a world-class heavyweight boxer.

pretty sure he's not, he's probably just saying it given how much of a shitty fighter Valuev is

The fact is nobody will truly ever find out until the guy actually takes the sport seriously and gets in 2/3fights a year regularly rather than sunning it out in cyprus for 10months then coming back to the UK and telling us all how he is going to knock out someone he clearly has no intention of ever fighting.

Hayes got the talent, but he sure as hell aint got the hunger or desire it becomes to be a good/great champion!

[El Kabong]

So basically what you're saying is that you think David Haye is a world-class heavyweight boxer.

No, I just don't think Valuev is all that great, he certainly has avoided power punchers and if Haye's power carries up at all he SHOULD win, but his style sucks so bad he could lose vs even limited opposition.

[Kirkland Laing]

So basically what you're saying is that you think David Haye is a world-class heavyweight boxer.

No, I just don't think Valuev is all that great, he certainly has avoided power punchers and if Haye's power carries up at all he SHOULD win, but his style sucks so bad he could lose vs even limited opposition.

You've been telling us for months now that Haye isn't worth a shot at the heavyweight title and should work his way through the heavyweight rankings but now you're claiming htat no, that's actually not the case and Haye can win a world heavyweight title in his third heavyweight fight. How is is possible to have these two different opinions at the same time, or have you just completely changed your mind about David Haye?

[El Kabong]

You've been telling us for months now that Haye isn't worth a shot at the heavyweight title and should work his way through the heavyweight rankings but now you're claiming htat no, that's actually not the case and Haye can win a world heavyweight title in his third heavyweight fight. How is is possible to have these two different opinions at the same time, or have you just completely changed your mind about David Haye?

#1 The WBA belt is hardly a recognized version heavyweight title anymore
#2 Valuev isn't a good fighter
#3 This is David Haye's 3rd heavyweight fight, he was very good vs Bonin, less than spectacular vs Barrett and hasn't fought in a full year ergo he hasn't EARNED his title shot
#4 When I say TITLE SHOT I mean Haye vs The Klitschko's, they have legitimate belts

I know you're still pissy for me owning you when we talked about how Bill Maher is a hypocrit...but dude, give it a rest

[Kirkland Laing]

You've been telling us for months now that Haye isn't worth a shot at the heavyweight title and should work his way through the heavyweight rankings but now you're claiming htat no, that's actually not the case and Haye can win a world heavyweight title in his third heavyweight fight. How is is possible to have these two different opinions at the same time, or have you just completely changed your mind about David Haye?

#1 The WBA belt is hardly a recognized version heavyweight title anymore
#2 Valuev isn't a good fighter
#3 This is David Haye's 3rd heavyweight fight, he was very good vs Bonin, less than spectacular vs Barrett and hasn't fought in a full year ergo he hasn't EARNED his title shot
#4 When I say TITLE SHOT I mean Haye vs The Klitschko's, they have legitimate belts

I know you're still pissy for me owning you when we talked about how Bill Maher is a hypocrit...but dude, give it a rest

Even if we accept that Valuev isn't a legitimate world champion he's got to be ranked in the top few heavyweights. So you're picking Haye to beat a guy you think is one of the top heavyweights. Ergo you must think Haye is a top heavyweight.


And while you're capable of arguing endlessly over something involving subjective opinions like boxing on anything else you'll continue to be relentlessly beaten like a gong every time we argue and never at any time, in any way, at any point in the future, will you ever manage to beat me in an argument over something objective. On the very few occasions that you're right about something in future you'll find that you agree with me.

[El Kabong]

....fine Kirkland have it your way, Haye will lose

[Kirkland Laing]

Yesterday you though he was going to win.