How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

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thats got to be the dumbest thing i heard in a long time, i not even gonna try and tell u why that is so stupid, it just is, WTF MAN

Best hypocrite post ever. cant say why because truth hurts. how can you deny no mas, no mas? does duran moves in and out? side to side? does he has lateral movement? compare pac resume to duran and youll see, blind stupid freak.

Yes he did actually!! These may not be key characteristics of his method of fighting, but he still had them. But Why are you using those things as reasons for him not being great? Are moving in and out and having great lateral movement the main criteria for great boxers? You need to go and watch some more Duran fights (and that's something I rarely say, coz I hate it when people say it, but you need to) the guys is arguably top 5 all time p4p and that is a view shared by a huge number of boxers, writers etc that know a lot more than you and I. I'll give yo No mas, it is the one shadow over his career - who knows what happend, but he more than made up for it before and after.

As for resume, you need to look at his career at Lightweight, anything after that (and he still had great achievements) was not his prime, he fought nearly twice as many fights at Lightweight than PBF has fought in his whole career to date.

Greatest Lightweight ever 71-1 - criticize his opposition all you want, but tell me who he didn't face during his reign

Was level after 12 rounds with the greatest middleweight of all time fighting 20 pounds above his natural weight.

Beat the unbeaten all time great Sugar Ray Leonard.

I remember i used to question Roberto Duran at one point, but boy was i wrong when i watched more of his fights. He was an excellent boxer/puncher, and probably had one of the best defense's for an aggressive fighter. He really had a slippery defense.

He also has some underrated wins at Lightweight and below Lightweight amazingly, he beat a very good boxer in Vilomar Fernandez who gave a prime Alexis Arguello, a boxing lesson pretty much. He also beat Ernesto Marcel at Featherweight i believe who also beat Alexis Arguello aswell.

And despite all that i think the fact that he lost at the higher weightclasses, and kept coming back when you thought he was a finished fighter actually adds to his greatness IMO.

And remember he started at 119 not far from Manny Pacquiao's orignal weightclass, and he managed to win a title at Middleweight and be competitive at the higher weightclasses, truly incredible IMO.