Holy S**T

[ICB]

ICB, let me remind you of something...

Anyone giving Joe Calzaghe Credit For Beating This Version Of RJJ.....Is just being a fan boy IMO and totally being biased.

Well im not a Joe Calzaghe hater but if you give Joe Calzaghe any real credit. For beating RJJ i think your seriously being biased, RJJ last stoppage win was in 2002 against Clinton Woods, and in his last comeback fights he didn't show stamina or a killer instinct. And he only showed flashes of his old self, "flashes" being the key word here.

Give him credit for beating Chris Eubank although he was weight drained which does take away from Joe Calzaghe's win somewhat. It was still a good performance and Chris Eubank still had quite alot left in the tank, which showed in his great performance's against Carl Thompson.

Give him credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, who was the number 2 man in the division at that time. Who was a very dangerous opponent who has very good skills, and can punch.

Give him credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, although disputable Bernard Hopkins still has alot left in the tank. Which showed against Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik.

But i will give him no credit for beating a shot RJJ, or beating the overhyped Jeff Lacy. Who was struggling against mediocre opposition even before he got embarrassed against Joe Calzaghe.

You never gave Calzaghe any credit for beating a "shot" Jones, right? So how does an even "shotter" version of Jones losing hurt Calzaghe?

You've just shot yourself in the foot old son.

How do you know that was an even shotter version of RJJ ? i think its basically the same RJJ Joe Calzaghe fought. RJJ was just cold and Danny Green hits harder, which makes Joe Calzaghe's win over RJJ look even worse which is the point i was making, because some people were deluded enough to think that was a good win for Joe Calzaghe.

[OumaFan]

I don't think anyone really thought Roy was a good win for Joe. That was the biggest farce in boxing in years. Easiest fight to predict, EVER.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I don't think anyone really thought Roy was a good win for Joe. That was the biggest farce in boxing in years. Easiest fight to predict, EVER.

Agree.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Ice Cold Boxing... I don't disagree with anything in your rant bar the word farce.

Yes Calzaghe has beaten a lot of overrated and underwhelming fighters. But he was the man at 168 for a decade and then BEAT Bernard Hopkins on top of that.

I just fail to see what is farcical about that? Who are you gonna tell me has been a more accomplished, more talented fighter at 168?

But don't get me wrong, i feel like the super-middle weight division has entered a new era, post Calzaghe, were a couple of brilliant fighters have arrived. So we'll see.

[ICB]

Ice Cold Boxing... I don't disagree with anything in your rant bar the word farce.

Yes Calzaghe has beaten a lot of overrated and underwhelming fighters. But he was the man at 168 for a decade and then BEAT Bernard Hopkins on top of that.

I just fail to see what is farcical about that? Who are you gonna tell me has been a more accomplished, more talented fighter at 168?

But don't get me wrong, i feel like the super-middle weight division has entered a new era, post Calzaghe, were a couple of brilliant fighters have arrived. So we'll see.

The reason Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight, is because most of the top American fighters used the division. As a stepping stone like RJJ, James Toney. And also because the best of our British fighters had retired, which isn't Joe Calzaghe's fault. But as i said he could of moved up, considering he always said he found it hard to make 168.

And also because the Super Middleweight division, is a pretty new division isn't it ? didn't it only become a serious division in the late 1980s ? i know the division was made in the 1960s or something, but i thought it only become a serious division in the late 1980s.

Either way my point still stands, and as for fighters that were more talented than Joe Calzaghe at 168.

Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Michael Watson = Debatable

[Tysonbruno]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

[Dark Lord Al]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

Agree
Jones went downhill when he came down from HW after Ruiz , that took it all out of him , he was already in his 30's , and you cant do that to your body.
Sad to see Roy get beat by Green but he should have hung em up ages ago.

[Fenster]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

You can do that to any fighters career.

Name a fighter whos best wins all enhanced his standing after?

[uptoscratch]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

You can do that to any fighters career.

Name a fighter whos best wins all enhanced his standing after?

Easy: Roy Jones Jr.

[Andre]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

You can do that to any fighters career.

Name a fighter whos best wins all enhanced his standing after?

True and true.

Sooo we have two retired undefeated champions one in Germany and one in Wales. I got an idea.

[southpaw85]

That was unreal, danny green pounding on the lifeless corpse who is roy jones jr. It wasn't bad enough he got beaten by glen johnson, now he can add danny green to the list of mediocre boxers who gave him a f**kin touch up. Nice one danny.
Roy shouldn't of come down here trying to resurect a career that was over at least a decade ago, and if he thought he was getting anywhere near hopkins he's f**kin dreamin, dreamin bout greens right hand most likely.

Congrats on a top career Roy, but i think its time to go back home to florida, thats where people go to die isn't it?

[Dark Lord Al]

[quote=southpaw85;819225]That was unreal, danny green pounding on the lifeless corpse who is roy jones jr. It wasn't bad enough he got beaten by glen johnson, now he can add danny green to the list of mediocre boxers who gave him a f**kin touch up. Nice one danny.
Roy shouldn't of come down here trying to resurect a career that was over at least a decade ago, and if he thought he was getting anywhere near hopkins he's f**kin dreamin, dreamin bout greens right hand most likely.

Congrats on a top career Roy, but i think its time to go back home to florida, thats where people go to die isn't it?[/quote]

May i offer to pay for your plane ticket ?

[Gandalf]

Ice Cold Boxing... I don't disagree with anything in your rant bar the word farce.

Yes Calzaghe has beaten a lot of overrated and underwhelming fighters. But he was the man at 168 for a decade and then BEAT Bernard Hopkins on top of that.

I just fail to see what is farcical about that? Who are you gonna tell me has been a more accomplished, more talented fighter at 168?

But don't get me wrong, i feel like the super-middle weight division has entered a new era, post Calzaghe, were a couple of brilliant fighters have arrived. So we'll see.

The reason Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight, is because most of the top American fighters used the division. As a stepping stone like RJJ, James Toney. And also because the best of our British fighters had retired, which isn't Joe Calzaghe's fault. But as i said he could of moved up, considering he always said he found it hard to make 168.

And also because the Super Middleweight division, is a pretty new division isn't it ? didn't it only become a serious division in the late 1980s ? i know the division was made in the 1960s or something, but i thought it only become a serious division in the late 1980s.

Either way my point still stands, and as for fighters that were more talented than Joe Calzaghe at 168.

Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Michael Watson = Debatable

So why didn't Hopkins step up when he was 30? Why should Calzaghe have stepped up? You offer no reason why. He offered to fight Hopkins, we know Hopkins withdrew wanting more money.

Is Calzaghe to blame for this? You offer 4 fighters at 168 that you say are better than Calzaghe and offer no reason why. All 4 are debatable with a lot of bad days between them.

More talented than=your opinion on a forum.....quite a tacky concept too if I might add.

[ICB]

Ice Cold Boxing... I don't disagree with anything in your rant bar the word farce.

Yes Calzaghe has beaten a lot of overrated and underwhelming fighters. But he was the man at 168 for a decade and then BEAT Bernard Hopkins on top of that.

I just fail to see what is farcical about that? Who are you gonna tell me has been a more accomplished, more talented fighter at 168?

But don't get me wrong, i feel like the super-middle weight division has entered a new era, post Calzaghe, were a couple of brilliant fighters have arrived. So we'll see.

The reason Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight, is because most of the top American fighters used the division. As a stepping stone like RJJ, James Toney. And also because the best of our British fighters had retired, which isn't Joe Calzaghe's fault. But as i said he could of moved up, considering he always said he found it hard to make 168.

And also because the Super Middleweight division, is a pretty new division isn't it ? didn't it only become a serious division in the late 1980s ? i know the division was made in the 1960s or something, but i thought it only become a serious division in the late 1980s.

Either way my point still stands, and as for fighters that were more talented than Joe Calzaghe at 168.

Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Michael Watson = Debatable

So why didn't Hopkins step up when he was 30? Why should Calzaghe have stepped up? You offer no reason why. He offered to fight Hopkins, we know Hopkins withdrew wanting more money.

Is Calzaghe to blame for this? You offer 4 fighters at 168 that you say are better than Calzaghe and offer no reason why. All 4 are debatable with a lot of bad days between them.

More talented than=your opinion on a forum.....quite a tacky concept too if I might add.

Quite a tacky concept ? whats wrong with my opinion ? i debate on all era's and all different fighters, about all different weightclasses. And normally give good opinions.

If you honestly need for me to explain why RJJ, James Toney, are more talented than Joe Calzaghe well im speechless.

How about these.

Better speed
Better power
Better reflexes
Better defense
More fluid
More punch variety
ETC.

As for the other 2 well Michael Nunn was extremely talented, alot like RJJ until he ruined himself. And as for Michael Watson as i said its debatable, because he didn't have enough time to show how good he was. But the 2nd Chris Eubank fight, aswell as the Nigel Benn fight. I think shows he is on par with Joe Calzaghe skill wise.

As for Bernard Hopkins how can you compare him with Joe Calzaghe ? he started his career in 1988 when he was 23 but lost another 2 years, so his 2nd pro fight was when he was 25. Where as Joe Calzaghe started his career at 21, and Bernard Hopkins learnt his boxing in prison. He didn't have the Amateur backgroud Joe Calzaghe had, so theres a big difference.

[Fenster]

The reason Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight, is because most of the top American fighters used the division. As a stepping stone like RJJ, James Toney. And also because the best of our British fighters had retired, which isn't Joe Calzaghe's fault. But as i said he could of moved up, considering he always said he found it hard to make 168.

And also because the Super Middleweight division, is a pretty new division isn't it ? didn't it only become a serious division in the late 1980s ? i know the division was made in the 1960s or something, but i thought it only become a serious division in the late 1980s.

Either way my point still stands, and as for fighters that were more talented than Joe Calzaghe at 168.

Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Michael Watson = Debatable

So why didn't Hopkins step up when he was 30? Why should Calzaghe have stepped up? You offer no reason why. He offered to fight Hopkins, we know Hopkins withdrew wanting more money.

Is Calzaghe to blame for this? You offer 4 fighters at 168 that you say are better than Calzaghe and offer no reason why. All 4 are debatable with a lot of bad days between them.

More talented than=your opinion on a forum.....quite a tacky concept too if I might add.

Quite a tacky concept ? whats wrong with my opinion ? i debate on all era's and all different fighters, about all different weightclasses. And normally give good opinions.

If you honestly need for me to explain why RJJ, James Toney, are more talented than Joe Calzaghe well im speechless.

How about these.

Better speed
Better power
Better reflexes
Better defense
More fluid
More punch variety
ETC.

As for the other 2 well Michael Nunn was extremely talented, alot like RJJ until he ruined himself. And as for Michael Watson as i said its debatable, because he didn't have enough time to show how good he was. But the 2nd Chris Eubank fight, aswell as the Nigel Benn fight. I think shows he is on par with Joe Calzaghe skill wise.

As for Bernard Hopkins how can you compare him with Joe Calzaghe ? he started his career in 1988 when he was 23 but lost another 2 years, so his 2nd pro fight was when he was 25. Where as Joe Calzaghe started his career at 21, and Bernard Hopkins learnt his boxing in prison. He didn't have the Amateur backgroud Joe Calzaghe had, so theres a big difference.

Hopkins has been boxing since he was 7. He won junior titles.