Holy S**T

[Gandalf]

Ice Cold Boxing... I don't disagree with anything in your rant bar the word farce.

Yes Calzaghe has beaten a lot of overrated and underwhelming fighters. But he was the man at 168 for a decade and then BEAT Bernard Hopkins on top of that.

I just fail to see what is farcical about that? Who are you gonna tell me has been a more accomplished, more talented fighter at 168?

But don't get me wrong, i feel like the super-middle weight division has entered a new era, post Calzaghe, were a couple of brilliant fighters have arrived. So we'll see.

The reason Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight, is because most of the top American fighters used the division. As a stepping stone like RJJ, James Toney. And also because the best of our British fighters had retired, which isn't Joe Calzaghe's fault. But as i said he could of moved up, considering he always said he found it hard to make 168.

And also because the Super Middleweight division, is a pretty new division isn't it ? didn't it only become a serious division in the late 1980s ? i know the division was made in the 1960s or something, but i thought it only become a serious division in the late 1980s.

Either way my point still stands, and as for fighters that were more talented than Joe Calzaghe at 168.

Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Michael Watson = Debatable

So why didn't Hopkins step up when he was 30? Why should Calzaghe have stepped up? You offer no reason why. He offered to fight Hopkins, we know Hopkins withdrew wanting more money.

Is Calzaghe to blame for this? You offer 4 fighters at 168 that you say are better than Calzaghe and offer no reason why. All 4 are debatable with a lot of bad days between them.

More talented than=your opinion on a forum.....quite a tacky concept too if I might add.

[Dark Lord Al]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

Agree
Jones went downhill when he came down from HW after Ruiz , that took it all out of him , he was already in his 30's , and you cant do that to your body.
Sad to see Roy get beat by Green but he should have hung em up ages ago.

[Fenster]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

You can do that to any fighters career.

Name a fighter whos best wins all enhanced his standing after?

[ICB]

Ice Cold Boxing... I don't disagree with anything in your rant bar the word farce.

Yes Calzaghe has beaten a lot of overrated and underwhelming fighters. But he was the man at 168 for a decade and then BEAT Bernard Hopkins on top of that.

I just fail to see what is farcical about that? Who are you gonna tell me has been a more accomplished, more talented fighter at 168?

But don't get me wrong, i feel like the super-middle weight division has entered a new era, post Calzaghe, were a couple of brilliant fighters have arrived. So we'll see.

The reason Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight, is because most of the top American fighters used the division. As a stepping stone like RJJ, James Toney. And also because the best of our British fighters had retired, which isn't Joe Calzaghe's fault. But as i said he could of moved up, considering he always said he found it hard to make 168.

And also because the Super Middleweight division, is a pretty new division isn't it ? didn't it only become a serious division in the late 1980s ? i know the division was made in the 1960s or something, but i thought it only become a serious division in the late 1980s.

Either way my point still stands, and as for fighters that were more talented than Joe Calzaghe at 168.

Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Michael Watson = Debatable

So why didn't Hopkins step up when he was 30? Why should Calzaghe have stepped up? You offer no reason why. He offered to fight Hopkins, we know Hopkins withdrew wanting more money.

Is Calzaghe to blame for this? You offer 4 fighters at 168 that you say are better than Calzaghe and offer no reason why. All 4 are debatable with a lot of bad days between them.

More talented than=your opinion on a forum.....quite a tacky concept too if I might add.

Quite a tacky concept ? whats wrong with my opinion ? i debate on all era's and all different fighters, about all different weightclasses. And normally give good opinions.

If you honestly need for me to explain why RJJ, James Toney, are more talented than Joe Calzaghe well im speechless.

How about these.

Better speed
Better power
Better reflexes
Better defense
More fluid
More punch variety
ETC.

As for the other 2 well Michael Nunn was extremely talented, alot like RJJ until he ruined himself. And as for Michael Watson as i said its debatable, because he didn't have enough time to show how good he was. But the 2nd Chris Eubank fight, aswell as the Nigel Benn fight. I think shows he is on par with Joe Calzaghe skill wise.

As for Bernard Hopkins how can you compare him with Joe Calzaghe ? he started his career in 1988 when he was 23 but lost another 2 years, so his 2nd pro fight was when he was 25. Where as Joe Calzaghe started his career at 21, and Bernard Hopkins learnt his boxing in prison. He didn't have the Amateur backgroud Joe Calzaghe had, so theres a big difference.

[JazMerkin]

Ice Cold Boxing... I don't disagree with anything in your rant bar the word farce.

Yes Calzaghe has beaten a lot of overrated and underwhelming fighters. But he was the man at 168 for a decade and then BEAT Bernard Hopkins on top of that.

I just fail to see what is farcical about that? Who are you gonna tell me has been a more accomplished, more talented fighter at 168?

But don't get me wrong, i feel like the super-middle weight division has entered a new era, post Calzaghe, were a couple of brilliant fighters have arrived. So we'll see.

The reason Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight, is because most of the top American fighters used the division. As a stepping stone like RJJ, James Toney. And also because the best of our British fighters had retired, which isn't Joe Calzaghe's fault. But as i said he could of moved up, considering he always said he found it hard to make 168.

And also because the Super Middleweight division, is a pretty new division isn't it ? didn't it only become a serious division in the late 1980s ? i know the division was made in the 1960s or something, but i thought it only become a serious division in the late 1980s.

Either way my point still stands, and as for fighters that were more talented than Joe Calzaghe at 168.

Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Michael Watson = Debatable

So why didn't Hopkins step up when he was 30? Why should Calzaghe have stepped up? You offer no reason why. He offered to fight Hopkins, we know Hopkins withdrew wanting more money.

Is Calzaghe to blame for this? You offer 4 fighters at 168 that you say are better than Calzaghe and offer no reason why. All 4 are debatable with a lot of bad days between them.

More talented than=your opinion on a forum.....quite a tacky concept too if I might add.

It's hard to deny that RJJ in his prime was better than Calzaghe. As for the Hopkins thing, sorry but if Hopkins was supposed to come over here, he wanted parity with what he was getting in the US. The simple fact was The Man was Hopkins. He was the one global boxing fans cared about it. Calzaghe had to make it work. I'll defend Joe over a lot of things, he's a much better fighter than people give him credit for & whether people like it or not he's a great boxer, but his comp levels sucked & that's not Jones' or Hopkins' fault, he should of gone to the US later. I'd like to blame it on Warren, but the fact that he chose to fight Jones over Pavlik leads me to think it may well have been his own doing.

[DaxxKahn]

I had a feeling this would happen, just not so quickly, I don't understand why so many people though wins over Shieka and Lacy meant Jones was back, he looked like an old man struggling to look like he did in his glory days against second tier opp past their best.

Hopefully Jones calls it quits now though like Holyfield I don't think he will. All of Roys KO losses have been bad ones that just buckled him the kind that cause permenent damage, I would like to see Jones in the future as an announcer or trainer without a slur....

[Fenster]

The reason Joe Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight, is because most of the top American fighters used the division. As a stepping stone like RJJ, James Toney. And also because the best of our British fighters had retired, which isn't Joe Calzaghe's fault. But as i said he could of moved up, considering he always said he found it hard to make 168.

And also because the Super Middleweight division, is a pretty new division isn't it ? didn't it only become a serious division in the late 1980s ? i know the division was made in the 1960s or something, but i thought it only become a serious division in the late 1980s.

Either way my point still stands, and as for fighters that were more talented than Joe Calzaghe at 168.

Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Michael Watson = Debatable

So why didn't Hopkins step up when he was 30? Why should Calzaghe have stepped up? You offer no reason why. He offered to fight Hopkins, we know Hopkins withdrew wanting more money.

Is Calzaghe to blame for this? You offer 4 fighters at 168 that you say are better than Calzaghe and offer no reason why. All 4 are debatable with a lot of bad days between them.

More talented than=your opinion on a forum.....quite a tacky concept too if I might add.

Quite a tacky concept ? whats wrong with my opinion ? i debate on all era's and all different fighters, about all different weightclasses. And normally give good opinions.

If you honestly need for me to explain why RJJ, James Toney, are more talented than Joe Calzaghe well im speechless.

How about these.

Better speed
Better power
Better reflexes
Better defense
More fluid
More punch variety
ETC.

As for the other 2 well Michael Nunn was extremely talented, alot like RJJ until he ruined himself. And as for Michael Watson as i said its debatable, because he didn't have enough time to show how good he was. But the 2nd Chris Eubank fight, aswell as the Nigel Benn fight. I think shows he is on par with Joe Calzaghe skill wise.

As for Bernard Hopkins how can you compare him with Joe Calzaghe ? he started his career in 1988 when he was 23 but lost another 2 years, so his 2nd pro fight was when he was 25. Where as Joe Calzaghe started his career at 21, and Bernard Hopkins learnt his boxing in prison. He didn't have the Amateur backgroud Joe Calzaghe had, so theres a big difference.

Hopkins has been boxing since he was 7. He won junior titles.

[uptoscratch]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

You can do that to any fighters career.

Name a fighter whos best wins all enhanced his standing after?

Easy: Roy Jones Jr.

[ICB]

So why didn't Hopkins step up when he was 30? Why should Calzaghe have stepped up? You offer no reason why. He offered to fight Hopkins, we know Hopkins withdrew wanting more money.

Is Calzaghe to blame for this? You offer 4 fighters at 168 that you say are better than Calzaghe and offer no reason why. All 4 are debatable with a lot of bad days between them.

More talented than=your opinion on a forum.....quite a tacky concept too if I might add.

Quite a tacky concept ? whats wrong with my opinion ? i debate on all era's and all different fighters, about all different weightclasses. And normally give good opinions.

If you honestly need for me to explain why RJJ, James Toney, are more talented than Joe Calzaghe well im speechless.

How about these.

Better speed
Better power
Better reflexes
Better defense
More fluid
More punch variety
ETC.

As for the other 2 well Michael Nunn was extremely talented, alot like RJJ until he ruined himself. And as for Michael Watson as i said its debatable, because he didn't have enough time to show how good he was. But the 2nd Chris Eubank fight, aswell as the Nigel Benn fight. I think shows he is on par with Joe Calzaghe skill wise.

As for Bernard Hopkins how can you compare him with Joe Calzaghe ? he started his career in 1988 when he was 23 but lost another 2 years, so his 2nd pro fight was when he was 25. Where as Joe Calzaghe started his career at 21, and Bernard Hopkins learnt his boxing in prison. He didn't have the Amateur backgroud Joe Calzaghe had, so theres a big difference.

Hopkins has been boxing since he was 7. He won junior titles.

Yea i heard you say this before but are you sure ? because i thought he started boxing in prison and won some stuff while he was in there ?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Ice, Michael Nunn might of been a bit of a fancy-dan but wasn't a proper winner like Calzaghe. Hence, imo he wasn't as talented.
And as for Accomplishments...? Please..!

In 10 years time no one will give a fuk about Michael Nunn

[Fenster]

Main point is about Calzaghe is Lacy just wasn't any good Hopkins beat him in many peoples opinion and then Kessler got battered the other week by Andre Ward and Roy just got knocked out in 1 round by Danny Green. And these are the best fights and names Calzaghe had in many people opinions and in my opinion they don't look so good now.

You can do that to any fighters career.

Name a fighter whos best wins all enhanced his standing after?

Easy: Roy Jones Jr.

What like James "weight-drained" Toney losing to Griffin straight after?
100-year-old McCullum retiring?
Hopkins losing twice to Jermain "sparked by Pavlik, Froch, Abraham" Taylor?
Virgil "already beat by Michalczewski" Hill?

You can make excuses to rubbish anyones win. It's silly.

[Fenster]

Quite a tacky concept ? whats wrong with my opinion ? i debate on all era's and all different fighters, about all different weightclasses. And normally give good opinions.

If you honestly need for me to explain why RJJ, James Toney, are more talented than Joe Calzaghe well im speechless.

How about these.

Better speed
Better power
Better reflexes
Better defense
More fluid
More punch variety
ETC.

As for the other 2 well Michael Nunn was extremely talented, alot like RJJ until he ruined himself. And as for Michael Watson as i said its debatable, because he didn't have enough time to show how good he was. But the 2nd Chris Eubank fight, aswell as the Nigel Benn fight. I think shows he is on par with Joe Calzaghe skill wise.

As for Bernard Hopkins how can you compare him with Joe Calzaghe ? he started his career in 1988 when he was 23 but lost another 2 years, so his 2nd pro fight was when he was 25. Where as Joe Calzaghe started his career at 21, and Bernard Hopkins learnt his boxing in prison. He didn't have the Amateur backgroud Joe Calzaghe had, so theres a big difference.

Hopkins has been boxing since he was 7. He won junior titles.

Yea i heard you say this before but are you sure ? because i thought he started boxing in prison and won some stuff while he was in there ?

Hopkins interview

Age started boxing: I started at seven as a youth. Then I went to Graterford (prison) for five years and I picked it back up in there. But (I started) as a pro in ‘88. So I started at seven.

Early Boxing Memory: Winning Pennsylvania Junior Olympics when I was nine. Won a trophy which had to be two-feet tall! When I won that I was the baby in the gym. We had guys like Robert Hines. I got my butt kicked 95% of the time in the gym by guys who were bigger and older than me. But I was too advanced for my level. I beat a guy named ‘Bunchie’ Williams, a good, good amateur who went 12-1 as a pro but then I think drugs got him.
Bernard Hopkins | BoxingInsider.com

[southpaw85]

Im sorry but this just goes to show how much Joe Calzaghe's career, is a farce it really is. Everyone knew Roy Jones Jr was shot, and Joe Calzaghe said he would never fight Roy Jones Jr because it wouldn't mean anything, but he did anyway. And this fight really just shows how much Joe Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr is a joke.

His win over Mikkel Kessler isn't that much better either, i said last week i'd reserve judgment until i see how bad Andre Ward beat him. And really and truthfully Andre Ward made Mikkel Kessler look stupid probably winning every round, and i do know hindsight is a wonderful thing and ETC.

But if you think about it Mikkel Kessler's best win is against Anthony Mundine, who is good but how good exactly ? he hasn't fought anyone since Danny Green in 2006.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins fight, but i still think he lost that fight. And i think a prime Bernard Hopkins, who had the stamina. And more punching power would of stopped Joe Calzaghe IMO.

The Chris Eubank fight is hard for me to judge, because Chris Eubank was past his prime and wasn't long coming off losing to Steve Collins x2, and he did have to lose a stupid amount of weight to fight Joe Calzaghe. But he did go on to have 2 brave efforts vs Carl Thompson, so really it all depends on how you look at it.

But other than that who else is there really ?

Robin Reid = A fighter many believe he lost to, who had also recently lost to a 40+ Thulani Malinga.

Jeff Lacy = A fighter i never thought that much of, and i've stated this many times. Even in his so called prime he had alot of trouble vs Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool. And since the Joe Calzaghe fight he has been embarrassing.

Sakio Bika = A nobody at that time, he has since won The Contender but no one knows how good he is really. But he was beaten one sidely by Lucian Bute.

Mario Veit = Weak chinned Mario Veit ? don't make me laugh.

Byron Mitchell = his career was so short no one knows, that much about him. He did have a close fight against Sven Ottke, but then again who didn't. He had two struggles vs Manny Siaca, and 2 close fights vs Bruno Girad. And thats basically his career, his best win is against Manny Siaca, and when Byron Mitchell comeback out of retirement, he was embarrassed by a shot Richard Hall.

Charles Brewer = Past his best and had not long lost to Antwun Echols, in a thriller. I don't really much about Charles Brewer, except he was exciting. And that he beat a shot Herol Graham after being decked a few times himself.

Richie Woodhall = Not long coming off a bad loss to Markus Beyer, where he was decked 3 times by the feather fisted Markus Beyer. Not only was Richie Woodhall past his best, he also had an injury to his right arm. Where if he missed a punch with his right arm, while its extended. It would be in alot of pain, the highlight of Richie Woodhall's career is beating a 40+ Thulani Malinga, the same one Robin Reid lost to. The only time he stepped up to world class level aka Keith Holmes, he was beaten convincingly.

Most of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are against fighters, who recently had bad losses or bad performances. Or who were past there best, his only beaten two prime fighters Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler. Jeff Lacy was never that good IMO, and Mikkel Kessler i thought was a good fighter, but i did state many times i didn't know how good he was, because he had only fought one really good fighter in Anthony Mundine.

Big joe is the man, he beat everyone put in front of him. Which is more than i can say for roy jones.

Humitiated in 60 seconds, dont think anyone saw that coming.

[Mark TKO]

pc playing up so not had chance to read all these posts so....

I was shocked but not surprised by this result - if that makes sense

Come on I think we all kind of knew it could happen to him again at any time - I never thought for one minute he was back on the scene.

Have only seen the KO in real time on small pic so will need to see it in slow mo on big screen but where the hell did he catch him ? Was it a temple shot again a la Johnson ? Didnt look that devastating but jesus its effects were !

Danny Green has a legend on his record via TKO1 though - fair play to him

Roy - retire, thanks

[southpaw85]

That was unreal, danny green pounding on the lifeless corpse who is roy jones jr. It wasn't bad enough he got beaten by glen johnson, now he can add danny green to the list of mediocre boxers who gave him a f**kin touch up. Nice one danny.
Roy shouldn't of come down here trying to resurect a career that was over at least a decade ago, and if he thought he was getting anywhere near hopkins he's f**kin dreamin, dreamin bout greens right hand most likely.

Congrats on a top career Roy, but i think its time to go back home to florida, thats where people go to die isn't it?