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    Default Re: victor ortiz wins, but is he back?

    i think that the last thing that should be on Ortiz' mind right now is a rematch with Maidana, they need to put the guy in with quality opponents but not world class guys, build up his confidence again and use fighters with different attributes to hone his own skills in different areas, then move up to world class guys like Maidana, Urango, Khan, Bradley, etc.

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    Default Re: victor ortiz wins, but is he back?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    i think that the last thing that should be on Ortiz' mind right now is a rematch with Maidana, they need to put the guy in with quality opponents but not world class guys, build up his confidence again and use fighters with different attributes to hone his own skills in different areas, then move up to world class guys like Maidana, Urango, Khan, Bradley, etc.



    that wont be a bad idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc champ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    i think that the last thing that should be on Ortiz' mind right now is a rematch with Maidana, they need to put the guy in with quality opponents but not world class guys, build up his confidence again and use fighters with different attributes to hone his own skills in different areas, then move up to world class guys like Maidana, Urango, Khan, Bradley, etc.



    that wont be a bad idea
    IMO this kid is still something special, and i'd hate to see his career wrecked cause people were in too much of a rush to make money off of him

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
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    i think that the last thing that should be on Ortiz' mind right now is a rematch with Maidana, they need to put the guy in with quality opponents but not world class guys, build up his confidence again and use fighters with different attributes to hone his own skills in different areas, then move up to world class guys like Maidana, Urango, Khan, Bradley, etc.



    that wont be a bad idea
    IMO this kid is still something special, and i'd hate to see his career wrecked cause people were in too much of a rush to make money off of him
    The names Fernando Vargas and Panchito Bojado come to mind.


    Thats why I think that loss is the best thing to happen to him. If Vargas had rightfully lost to Wright then he may have went on to become one of the all time greats. So I think that Ortiz losing that way will help his career. Early losses don't hurt careers they can make careers. So now they should bring Ortiz along slowly against good fighters on a few more cards. What I like is he is boxing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
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    that wont be a bad idea
    IMO this kid is still something special, and i'd hate to see his career wrecked cause people were in too much of a rush to make money off of him
    The names Fernando Vargas and Panchito Bojado come to mind.


    Thats why I think that loss is the best thing to happen to him. If Vargas had rightfully lost to Wright then he may have went on to become one of the all time greats. So I think that Ortiz losing that way will help his career. Early losses don't hurt careers they can make careers. So now they should bring Ortiz along slowly against good fighters on a few more cards. What I like is he is boxing more.
    Vargas deserved the win. Wright only has himself to blame for allowing himself to be out worked in the championship rounds.

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    Default Re: victor ortiz wins, but is he back?

    the mental aspect in ortiz game will be still under question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
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    IMO this kid is still something special, and i'd hate to see his career wrecked cause people were in too much of a rush to make money off of him
    The names Fernando Vargas and Panchito Bojado come to mind.


    Thats why I think that loss is the best thing to happen to him. If Vargas had rightfully lost to Wright then he may have went on to become one of the all time greats. So I think that Ortiz losing that way will help his career. Early losses don't hurt careers they can make careers. So now they should bring Ortiz along slowly against good fighters on a few more cards. What I like is he is boxing more.
    Vargas deserved the win. Wright only has himself to blame for allowing himself to be out worked in the championship rounds.
    I had the fight a draw but it always escapes me, when people say that fight was a robbery. Fernando Vargas fought his heart out in the championship rounds, clearly winning those rounds to earn the win. Which i had no problem with it was a very close fight.

    He was also effective to the body against Winky Wright, infact i don't think Fernando Vargas gets enough credit for that fight. Who else really troubled Winky Wright at Jr Middleweight ?

    Harry Simon but again he was a very talented fighter, and he had to keep throwing and throwing punches just to make it close, and i thought Winky Wright stole that fight.

    And the only other name is Julio Cesar Vasquez, when Winky Wright was seriously inexperienced. And even with that amount of knockdowns which some of them were balance issues. It still wasn't that one sided either.

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    Default Re: victor ortiz wins, but is he back?

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post

    The names Fernando Vargas and Panchito Bojado come to mind.


    Thats why I think that loss is the best thing to happen to him. If Vargas had rightfully lost to Wright then he may have went on to become one of the all time greats. So I think that Ortiz losing that way will help his career. Early losses don't hurt careers they can make careers. So now they should bring Ortiz along slowly against good fighters on a few more cards. What I like is he is boxing more.
    Vargas deserved the win. Wright only has himself to blame for allowing himself to be out worked in the championship rounds.
    I had the fight a draw but it always escapes me, when people say that fight was a robbery. Fernando Vargas fought his heart out in the championship rounds, clearly winning those rounds to earn the win. Which i had no problem with it was a very close fight.

    He was also effective to the body against Winky Wright, infact i don't think Fernando Vargas gets enough credit for that fight. Who else really troubled Winky Wright at Jr Middleweight ?

    Harry Simon but again he was a very talented fighter, and he had to keep throwing and throwing punches just to make it close, and i thought Winky Wright stole that fight.

    And the only other name is Julio Cesar Vasquez, when Winky Wright was seriously inexperienced. And even with that amount of knockdowns which some of them were balance issues. It still wasn't that one sided either.
    I think people over-use the term robbery. Maidana - Kotelnik and Hatton - Collazo are two that stand out that i keep hearing called robberies when in fact they were close fights. As for Vargas and Winky, i agree, close fight.
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    Default Re: victor ortiz wins, but is he back?

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post

    The names Fernando Vargas and Panchito Bojado come to mind.


    Thats why I think that loss is the best thing to happen to him. If Vargas had rightfully lost to Wright then he may have went on to become one of the all time greats. So I think that Ortiz losing that way will help his career. Early losses don't hurt careers they can make careers. So now they should bring Ortiz along slowly against good fighters on a few more cards. What I like is he is boxing more.
    Vargas deserved the win. Wright only has himself to blame for allowing himself to be out worked in the championship rounds.
    I had the fight a draw but it always escapes me, when people say that fight was a robbery. Fernando Vargas fought his heart out in the championship rounds, clearly winning those rounds to earn the win. Which i had no problem with it was a very close fight.

    He was also effective to the body against Winky Wright, infact i don't think Fernando Vargas gets enough credit for that fight. Who else really troubled Winky Wright at Jr Middleweight ?

    Harry Simon but again he was a very talented fighter, and he had to keep throwing and throwing punches just to make it close, and i thought Winky Wright stole that fight.

    And the only other name is Julio Cesar Vasquez, when Winky Wright was seriously inexperienced. And even with that amount of knockdowns which some of them were balance issues. It still wasn't that one sided either.





    ILL GIVE VARGES THE PROPS FOR MAKING IT A CLOSE ONE, BUT WINKY ONE THAT FIGHT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
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    that wont be a bad idea
    IMO this kid is still something special, and i'd hate to see his career wrecked cause people were in too much of a rush to make money off of him
    The names Fernando Vargas and Panchito Bojado come to mind.


    Thats why I think that loss is the best thing to happen to him. If Vargas had rightfully lost to Wright then he may have went on to become one of the all time greats. So I think that Ortiz losing that way will help his career. Early losses don't hurt careers they can make careers. So now they should bring Ortiz along slowly against good fighters on a few more cards. What I like is he is boxing more.
    agreed, i thought his defense was a bit sharper, and he was a lot more patient, if he continues to steadily improve and move up in quality slowly he can be a great fighter

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    i think that the last thing that should be on Ortiz' mind right now is a rematch with Maidana, they need to put the guy in with quality opponents but not world class guys, build up his confidence again and use fighters with different attributes to hone his own skills in different areas, then move up to world class guys like Maidana, Urango, Khan, Bradley, etc.

    gee isn't that what is supposed to happen - they used to do it before all the media hype round fighters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    i think that the last thing that should be on Ortiz' mind right now is a rematch with Maidana, they need to put the guy in with quality opponents but not world class guys, build up his confidence again and use fighters with different attributes to hone his own skills in different areas, then move up to world class guys like Maidana, Urango, Khan, Bradley, etc.

    gee isn't that what is supposed to happen - they used to do it before all the media hype round fighters.
    exactly, they were building him up right, but once the buzz started and people began to see the $$$ they could make on the kid they quickly rushed him to see if they could get a title around his waist, knowing full well he wasn't ready, i'm not the only person to say he wasn't ready for Maidana, but they did it anyhow

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    Default Re: victor ortiz wins, but is he back?

    his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbolt View Post
    his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam
    he wasn't ready for that fight, but even there he showed he has the tools to live up to what he's being billed to be, just isn't quite there yet and needs some work

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zbolt View Post
    his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam
    he wasn't ready for that fight, but even there he showed he has the tools to live up to what he's being billed to be, just isn't quite there yet and needs some work
    He was ready for the fight. No doubt about that. Looked at the success he was having. Problem was he had no idea how to deal with adversity.

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