victor ortiz wins, but is he back?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

i think that the last thing that should be on Ortiz' mind right now is a rematch with Maidana, they need to put the guy in with quality opponents but not world class guys, build up his confidence again and use fighters with different attributes to hone his own skills in different areas, then move up to world class guys like Maidana, Urango, Khan, Bradley, etc.

gee isn't that what is supposed to happen - they used to do it before all the media hype round fighters.

[ElTerribleMorales]

i think that the last thing that should be on Ortiz' mind right now is a rematch with Maidana, they need to put the guy in with quality opponents but not world class guys, build up his confidence again and use fighters with different attributes to hone his own skills in different areas, then move up to world class guys like Maidana, Urango, Khan, Bradley, etc.

gee isn't that what is supposed to happen - they used to do it before all the media hype round fighters.

exactly, they were building him up right, but once the buzz started and people began to see the $$$ they could make on the kid they quickly rushed him to see if they could get a title around his waist, knowing full well he wasn't ready, i'm not the only person to say he wasn't ready for Maidana, but they did it anyhow

[zbolt]

his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam

[ElTerribleMorales]

his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam

he wasn't ready for that fight, but even there he showed he has the tools to live up to what he's being billed to be, just isn't quite there yet and needs some work

[Violent Demise]

his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam

he wasn't ready for that fight, but even there he showed he has the tools to live up to what he's being billed to be, just isn't quite there yet and needs some work

He was ready for the fight. No doubt about that. Looked at the success he was having. Problem was he had no idea how to deal with adversity.

[ElTerribleMorales]

his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam

he wasn't ready for that fight, but even there he showed he has the tools to live up to what he's being billed to be, just isn't quite there yet and needs some work

He was ready for the fight. No doubt about that. Looked at the success he was having. Problem was he had no idea how to deal with adversity.

look at how many mistakes he was making, in defense, keeping his composure, etc.

[Violent Demise]

he wasn't ready for that fight, but even there he showed he has the tools to live up to what he's being billed to be, just isn't quite there yet and needs some work

He was ready for the fight. No doubt about that. Looked at the success he was having. Problem was he had no idea how to deal with adversity.

look at how many mistakes he was making, in defense, keeping his composure, etc.

Look at all the mistakes Maidana made. Was he not ready for the fight either? Yes he was. He handles adversity better than Ortiz.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam

he wasn't ready for that fight, but even there he showed he has the tools to live up to what he's being billed to be, just isn't quite there yet and needs some work

He was ready for the fight. No doubt about that. Looked at the success he was having. Problem was he had no idea how to deal with adversity.

I'm not sure how much mental toughness can be taught tbh. I know having the right people round you can help but surely they can only work with what is there already. I know we're talking on a different scale but lots of people said it about Tyson, he boxed as a bully once someone (Hollyfield) had the skills to stand up to that it all crumbled....of course not everyone was aware of the extent of Tysons mental state but Hollyfield has always seemed to have the mental toughness to get him through.

[Kirkland Laing]

The next time he's in a war he'll crumble again.

[zbolt]

his promoter bragged that he's the next big thing before the maidana fight then bam

he wasn't ready for that fight, but even there he showed he has the tools to live up to what he's being billed to be, just isn't quite there yet and needs some work

wish he/they could have pulled out from that fight if he wasn't ready

[Pavlik]

I think Ortiz will be a force in the welters and junior middleweight. El Terrible is right they should take time building up Vic. Speed, power and skill is definitely there!

[Nameless]

Personally, it's hard to say, for me at the moment it could be something like 50-50. I would like him to fight a medium opponent to tune up, get a bit more experience, see how he does against him and then launch him up again. I think he could be a force to be reckon with but things should be moved slowly just not to break something great in the making as it looks fragile at the moment.