Is Israel a terrorist state?

[Andre]

Terrorism:
('tera,rizam')n.

1 The act of terrorizing.

2. The systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal.




Sounds alot like us! Specially in what we first did in order to hand over Isreal to them!




Well we could have given them Albania or Serbia instead! Maybe a portion of Pakistan. Oh northern Ireland there you go..

So long as they call the new country "Countersterrorizum" I think the moral issues and sides will be drawn out.

You my friend can have any part of nth Korea you like, call it Milesland call it what you want we wont care.

[HattonTheHammer]

Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded

Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.

If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war

[El Kabong]

Islam not only has beef with the Western World because we don't follow Sharia Law. Seriously it's more about that than the oil, let's be honest....the money those bastards get from the oil they have (which we fucking BUY legitimately) allows them to have time to focus on such trivial bullshit as why there's no footbaths in American Airports. I am CONSTANTLY shocked as to why a culture like LIBERALS in the US would side with the Radical Muslims regarding their perceived treatment? I mean the same radical muslims that throw acid on girls trying to go to school and stone rape victims to death.....call me crazy but I doubt Betty Friedan would have approved.

Islam also has beef with itself: Shia, Kurd, Sunni, etc....they all hate each other far more than the Catholics and Protestants ever did. So how can we view it as a "religion of peace" when it's not even at peace with itself

[JazMerkin]

Islam not only has beef with the Western World because we don't follow Sharia Law. Seriously it's more about that than the oil, let's be honest....the money those bastards get from the oil they have (which we fucking BUY legitimately) allows them to have time to focus on such trivial bullshit as why there's no footbaths in American Airports. I am CONSTANTLY shocked as to why a culture like LIBERALS in the US would side with the Radical Muslims regarding their perceived treatment? I mean the same radical muslims that throw acid on girls trying to go to school and stone rape victims to death.....call me crazy but I doubt Betty Friedan would have approved.

Islam also has beef with itself: Shia, Kurd, Sunni, etc....they all hate each other far more than the Catholics and Protestants ever did. So how can we view it as a "religion of peace" when it's not even at peace with itself

Kurds are an ethnic group, not a religious minority. But the Sunni/Shia divide can be seen as no more divisive in the religion than that of Catholicism/Protestants.

I mean seriously Lyle, that is such a ridiculous post, words fail me. Nice way to generalize the beliefs of 1.57 billion people

[El Kabong]

Kurds are an ethnic group, not a religious minority. But the Sunni/Shia divide can be seen as no more divisive in the religion than that of Catholicism/Protestants.

I mean seriously Lyle, that is such a ridiculous post, words fail me. Nice way to generalize the beliefs of 1.57 billion people

...and the majority of Kurds are Muslim but point taken how about Sufism?

The divide is a lot bigger than Catholics and Protestants....I don't recall Catholics and Protestants bombing each others places of worship or EVER suicide bombing anyone.

A martyr in Christianity is a passive thing, it's a person that puts their faith in God and Jesus and allows an event (usually ending in their death) to happen....they don't go out and fucking murder people.

When I hear/see the majority of Muslims acting with some sense of perspective and some grasp on reality then maybe I'll change my stance but for right now either someone comes straight out and says "I'm a muslim and I'm 100% opposed to the radicals" or I'm going to stereotype the fuck out of them because if you're a participant in that religion and you don't adamantly stand up and shout at the top of your lungs that what the radicals do is wrong then you're either #1 One of them or #2 an enabler which is just as bad.

If my view seems just a tad offensive then tough fucking shit, I don't agree with radical Christians, I don't share the beliefs of those people that bomb abortion centers.....sure I'm not 100% pro abortion but they don't need to be bombed.

[ono]

Kurds are an ethnic group, not a religious minority. But the Sunni/Shia divide can be seen as no more divisive in the religion than that of Catholicism/Protestants.

I mean seriously Lyle, that is such a ridiculous post, words fail me. Nice way to generalize the beliefs of 1.57 billion people

...and the majority of Kurds are Muslim but point taken how about Sufism?

The divide is a lot bigger than Catholics and Protestants....I don't recall Catholics and Protestants bombing each others places of worship or EVER suicide bombing anyone.

A martyr in Christianity is a passive thing, it's a person that puts their faith in God and Jesus and allows an event (usually ending in their death) to happen....they don't go out and fucking murder people.

When I hear/see the majority of Muslims acting with some sense of perspective and some grasp on reality then maybe I'll change my stance but for right now either someone comes straight out and says "I'm a muslim and I'm 100% opposed to the radicals" or I'm going to stereotype the fuck out of them because if you're a participant in that religion and you don't adamantly stand up and shout at the top of your lungs that what the radicals do is wrong then you're either #1 One of them or #2 an enabler which is just as bad.

If my view seems just a tad offensive then tough fucking shit, I don't agree with radical Christians, I don't share the beliefs of those people that bomb abortion centers.....sure I'm not 100% pro abortion but they don't need to be bombed.

What a load of shite.

If the media made a big deal out of white people being Paedophiles would you stand on a street corner and declare your innocence?

Secondly where the hell are you going to see a report on 'Muslims acting with common sense?'

How's that news?

Plenty of Muslims condemn what the extremists do, only problem is, that's unlikely to make front page news in countries who are waging a war against 'brown people'

Steroetyping is a dangerous thing.

If you want to talk about terrorism and Islam, it's also fair to talk about the fact that throughout Europe in 2007, only 4 out of 498 documented terror attacks had any links to Islam. Strange how we hear very little on the 494 other planned attacks.

[JazMerkin]

...and the majority of Kurds are Muslim but point taken how about Sufism?

Do you know ANYTHING about Sufism?? It's about the most peaceful belief there is. If you can find me a single Sufi terrorist from the past century I'll give you it, but you won't & can't. Yes, the majority of Kurds might be Muslim, but going off that argument than Christianity has a problem because the US & UK bombed Serbia. Hey they're all mostly Christian.

The divide is a lot bigger than Catholics and Protestants....I don't recall Catholics and Protestants bombing each others places of worship or EVER suicide bombing anyone.

So your problem isn't with bombing, it's with suicide bombing?

Damn, if only Al-Qaeda knew that if they just planted bombs rather than strapped them to themselves, they'd be alright in your book. Bombing kills people, the bomber taking his own life with it doesn't make it any worse.

Oh & read this for all the info on how Catholics & Protestants never bomb each others' places of worship

CAIN: CSC: Report: Political Rituals: Loyalist Parades in Portadown, chapter 3

A martyr in Christianity is a passive thing, it's a person that puts their faith in God and Jesus and allows an event (usually ending in their death) to happen....they don't go out and fucking murder people.

Most Muslims don't consider these lunatics martyrs, they see them as the murdering shits they are. But let's face it we in the West often make martyrs of those who kill other people. Look at how we venerate our soldiers. I'm not saying whether that is right or wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that we do it, as do other cultures. It is not in Islamic scripture that a killer is a martyr & a hero, it says quite the opposite, although you'd know that if you were to read the Quran or some kind of informed literature regarding the religion.

When I hear/see the majority of Muslims acting with some sense of perspective and some grasp on reality then maybe I'll change my stance but for right now either someone comes straight out and says "I'm a muslim and I'm 100% opposed to the radicals" or I'm going to stereotype the fuck out of them because if you're a participant in that religion and you don't adamantly stand up and shout at the top of your lungs that what the radicals do is wrong then you're either #1 One of them or #2 an enabler which is just as bad.

How many Muslims do you actually know Lyle?? I know quite a lot & of those I've known throughout my life, I'd say the vast majority, let's say 95%, have views that are more hardline on the subject than my own. Most Muslims do come out & say that but amazingly Fox News isn't broadcasting press conferences for Hamed from Bradford, Zahra from Stepney or Ali from Birmingham. They feel the same, but they also are not required to make it their sole duty in life to keep demonstrating how anti-Islamist they are. As a Christian, do you spend your whole time 'adamantly standing up and shouting at the top of your lungs' that what pro-life bombers do is wrong. I mean like all the time or do you just mention it in passing conversation. Why should it be different for them? Why should their lives be defined by what a few nutjobs who they've nothing in common with save a very vague belief in aspects of the same religion?

If my view seems just a tad offensive then tough fucking shit, I don't agree with radical Christians, I don't share the beliefs of those people that bomb abortion centers.....sure I'm not 100% pro abortion but they don't need to be bombed.

How very noble of you. Your views don't offend me, they just show me that you're largely ignorant on the subject.

Notes above Lyle

[El Kabong]

I was just making a comment on the "sectarian violence" which MAINLY occurs with the Sunni and Shia but others are involved.

My problem is with all kinds of violence, a Christian martyr doesn't KILL anyone, they just accept their own fate if that single idea was common in Islam then the world would be a better place. The IRA vs Northern Ireland was more a political fight than religious.

I know quite a few muslims and they may feel the same as your friends BUT they don't have a stage or an audience. As for me vs the "Turbo Christians" I don't have an audience or stage either....unless you know anyone

[JazMerkin]

Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded

Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.

If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war

I've missed you Hammer. That post is just all-round brilliance. Is this the kind of 'idealogical' war we're headed to??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnT8Ubogdog

I've been wanting to use a South Park video as a reference for months, finally found a video short enough

[HattonTheHammer]

Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded

Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.

If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war

I've missed you Hammer. That post is just all-round brilliance. Is this the kind of 'idealogical' war we're headed to??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnT8Ubogdog

I've been wanting to use a South Park video as a reference for months, finally found a video short enough

your not related to darkus howe are you merkin??

Palestine is a state run by terrorists. They deserve no sympathy whatsoever and they have blood on their hands for every single israeli man/woman/childs death

the same does not apply the other way around!!

[Andre]

Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded

Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.

If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war

I've missed you Hammer. That post is just all-round brilliance. Is this the kind of 'idealogical' war we're headed to??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnT8UbogdogI've been wanting to use a South Park video as a reference for months, finally found a video short enough

your not related to darkus howe are you merkin??

Palestine is a state run by terrorists. They deserve no sympathy whatsoever and they have blood on their hands for every single israeli man/woman/childs death

the same does not apply the other way around!!

Bull shit.

I put the word Terrorist as explained straight from the American Dictionary for you just above.

The meaning hasnt changed since it was written in there. It can be used by goverments and military personal, its not just having a different belief system a black and white tea towel on your head sneaking around planting bombs in public domains that separates terrorists.

We torture some of our captives and so do you.

We remove the public (kill them accidentally) and use the excuse war casualties as if that makes it any different.

The meaning ends with the key words ... for some cause.

ahh correction . .to achieve some goal.

Ring any bells?

[RozzySean]

Six cunts voted yes?

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.

The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.

How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.

OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:

A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.

Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"

[Kirkland Laing]

Six cunts voted yes?

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.

The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.

How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.

OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:

A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.

Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"

The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.

And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.

[Andre]

Six cunts voted yes?

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.

The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.

How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.

OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:

A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.

Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"

Bull shit.

I put the word Terrorist as explained straight from the American Dictionary for you just above.

The meaning hasnt changed since it was written in there. It can be used by goverments and military personal, its not just having a different belief system a black and white tea towel on your head sneaking around planting bombs in public domains that separates terrorists.

We torture some of our captives and so do you.

We remove the public (kill them accidentally) and use the excuse war casualties as if that makes it any different.

The meaning ends with the key words ... for some cause.

ahh correction . .to achieve some goal.

Ring any bells?


You too Sean :read it take it in I dare you too see both sides.

I see your point but it has nothing to do with the question,you also forgot to mention that my grandparents suffered and died for their eventual freedom.

Its the definition . Simple question /zero emotional bullshit/ just a simple question.

There is two sides to every story and Israel has killed innocent women and children and has toutured its captives last time I looked in the dictionary (and that was today) it still ment exactly that, so get off your emotional high horse and face some facts.

We are all guilty of it.

[Kirkland Laing]

Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded

Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.

If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war

I've missed you Hammer. That post is just all-round brilliance. Is this the kind of 'idealogical' war we're headed to??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnT8Ubogdog
I've been wanting to use a South Park video as a reference for months, finally found a video short enough

your not related to darkus howe are you merkin??

Palestine is a state run by terrorists. They deserve no sympathy whatsoever and they have blood on their hands for every single israeli man/woman/childs death

the same does not apply the other way around!!

Israel is a country founded by a sorry collection of terrorists, ethnic cleansers and mass murderers. Israel has been run by actual terrorist group leaders since its foundation and only ceased to have an ex-terrorist as its leader in the 1990s when all the ex-terrorists had either retired from politics or died and then they elected war criminal Ariel Sharon.