Is Israel a terrorist state?

[El Kabong]

Islam not only has beef with the Western World because we don't follow Sharia Law. Seriously it's more about that than the oil, let's be honest....the money those bastards get from the oil they have (which we fucking BUY legitimately) allows them to have time to focus on such trivial bullshit as why there's no footbaths in American Airports. I am CONSTANTLY shocked as to why a culture like LIBERALS in the US would side with the Radical Muslims regarding their perceived treatment? I mean the same radical muslims that throw acid on girls trying to go to school and stone rape victims to death.....call me crazy but I doubt Betty Friedan would have approved.

Islam also has beef with itself: Shia, Kurd, Sunni, etc....they all hate each other far more than the Catholics and Protestants ever did. So how can we view it as a "religion of peace" when it's not even at peace with itself

[JazMerkin]

Islam not only has beef with the Western World because we don't follow Sharia Law. Seriously it's more about that than the oil, let's be honest....the money those bastards get from the oil they have (which we fucking BUY legitimately) allows them to have time to focus on such trivial bullshit as why there's no footbaths in American Airports. I am CONSTANTLY shocked as to why a culture like LIBERALS in the US would side with the Radical Muslims regarding their perceived treatment? I mean the same radical muslims that throw acid on girls trying to go to school and stone rape victims to death.....call me crazy but I doubt Betty Friedan would have approved.

Islam also has beef with itself: Shia, Kurd, Sunni, etc....they all hate each other far more than the Catholics and Protestants ever did. So how can we view it as a "religion of peace" when it's not even at peace with itself

Kurds are an ethnic group, not a religious minority. But the Sunni/Shia divide can be seen as no more divisive in the religion than that of Catholicism/Protestants.

I mean seriously Lyle, that is such a ridiculous post, words fail me. Nice way to generalize the beliefs of 1.57 billion people

[El Kabong]

Kurds are an ethnic group, not a religious minority. But the Sunni/Shia divide can be seen as no more divisive in the religion than that of Catholicism/Protestants.

I mean seriously Lyle, that is such a ridiculous post, words fail me. Nice way to generalize the beliefs of 1.57 billion people

...and the majority of Kurds are Muslim but point taken how about Sufism?

The divide is a lot bigger than Catholics and Protestants....I don't recall Catholics and Protestants bombing each others places of worship or EVER suicide bombing anyone.

A martyr in Christianity is a passive thing, it's a person that puts their faith in God and Jesus and allows an event (usually ending in their death) to happen....they don't go out and fucking murder people.

When I hear/see the majority of Muslims acting with some sense of perspective and some grasp on reality then maybe I'll change my stance but for right now either someone comes straight out and says "I'm a muslim and I'm 100% opposed to the radicals" or I'm going to stereotype the fuck out of them because if you're a participant in that religion and you don't adamantly stand up and shout at the top of your lungs that what the radicals do is wrong then you're either #1 One of them or #2 an enabler which is just as bad.

If my view seems just a tad offensive then tough fucking shit, I don't agree with radical Christians, I don't share the beliefs of those people that bomb abortion centers.....sure I'm not 100% pro abortion but they don't need to be bombed.

[ono]

Kurds are an ethnic group, not a religious minority. But the Sunni/Shia divide can be seen as no more divisive in the religion than that of Catholicism/Protestants.

I mean seriously Lyle, that is such a ridiculous post, words fail me. Nice way to generalize the beliefs of 1.57 billion people

...and the majority of Kurds are Muslim but point taken how about Sufism?

The divide is a lot bigger than Catholics and Protestants....I don't recall Catholics and Protestants bombing each others places of worship or EVER suicide bombing anyone.

A martyr in Christianity is a passive thing, it's a person that puts their faith in God and Jesus and allows an event (usually ending in their death) to happen....they don't go out and fucking murder people.

When I hear/see the majority of Muslims acting with some sense of perspective and some grasp on reality then maybe I'll change my stance but for right now either someone comes straight out and says "I'm a muslim and I'm 100% opposed to the radicals" or I'm going to stereotype the fuck out of them because if you're a participant in that religion and you don't adamantly stand up and shout at the top of your lungs that what the radicals do is wrong then you're either #1 One of them or #2 an enabler which is just as bad.

If my view seems just a tad offensive then tough fucking shit, I don't agree with radical Christians, I don't share the beliefs of those people that bomb abortion centers.....sure I'm not 100% pro abortion but they don't need to be bombed.

What a load of shite.

If the media made a big deal out of white people being Paedophiles would you stand on a street corner and declare your innocence?

Secondly where the hell are you going to see a report on 'Muslims acting with common sense?'

How's that news?

Plenty of Muslims condemn what the extremists do, only problem is, that's unlikely to make front page news in countries who are waging a war against 'brown people'

Steroetyping is a dangerous thing.

If you want to talk about terrorism and Islam, it's also fair to talk about the fact that throughout Europe in 2007, only 4 out of 498 documented terror attacks had any links to Islam. Strange how we hear very little on the 494 other planned attacks.

[JazMerkin]

...and the majority of Kurds are Muslim but point taken how about Sufism?

Do you know ANYTHING about Sufism?? It's about the most peaceful belief there is. If you can find me a single Sufi terrorist from the past century I'll give you it, but you won't & can't. Yes, the majority of Kurds might be Muslim, but going off that argument than Christianity has a problem because the US & UK bombed Serbia. Hey they're all mostly Christian.

The divide is a lot bigger than Catholics and Protestants....I don't recall Catholics and Protestants bombing each others places of worship or EVER suicide bombing anyone.

So your problem isn't with bombing, it's with suicide bombing?

Damn, if only Al-Qaeda knew that if they just planted bombs rather than strapped them to themselves, they'd be alright in your book. Bombing kills people, the bomber taking his own life with it doesn't make it any worse.

Oh & read this for all the info on how Catholics & Protestants never bomb each others' places of worship

CAIN: CSC: Report: Political Rituals: Loyalist Parades in Portadown, chapter 3

A martyr in Christianity is a passive thing, it's a person that puts their faith in God and Jesus and allows an event (usually ending in their death) to happen....they don't go out and fucking murder people.

Most Muslims don't consider these lunatics martyrs, they see them as the murdering shits they are. But let's face it we in the West often make martyrs of those who kill other people. Look at how we venerate our soldiers. I'm not saying whether that is right or wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that we do it, as do other cultures. It is not in Islamic scripture that a killer is a martyr & a hero, it says quite the opposite, although you'd know that if you were to read the Quran or some kind of informed literature regarding the religion.

When I hear/see the majority of Muslims acting with some sense of perspective and some grasp on reality then maybe I'll change my stance but for right now either someone comes straight out and says "I'm a muslim and I'm 100% opposed to the radicals" or I'm going to stereotype the fuck out of them because if you're a participant in that religion and you don't adamantly stand up and shout at the top of your lungs that what the radicals do is wrong then you're either #1 One of them or #2 an enabler which is just as bad.

How many Muslims do you actually know Lyle?? I know quite a lot & of those I've known throughout my life, I'd say the vast majority, let's say 95%, have views that are more hardline on the subject than my own. Most Muslims do come out & say that but amazingly Fox News isn't broadcasting press conferences for Hamed from Bradford, Zahra from Stepney or Ali from Birmingham. They feel the same, but they also are not required to make it their sole duty in life to keep demonstrating how anti-Islamist they are. As a Christian, do you spend your whole time 'adamantly standing up and shouting at the top of your lungs' that what pro-life bombers do is wrong. I mean like all the time or do you just mention it in passing conversation. Why should it be different for them? Why should their lives be defined by what a few nutjobs who they've nothing in common with save a very vague belief in aspects of the same religion?

If my view seems just a tad offensive then tough fucking shit, I don't agree with radical Christians, I don't share the beliefs of those people that bomb abortion centers.....sure I'm not 100% pro abortion but they don't need to be bombed.

How very noble of you. Your views don't offend me, they just show me that you're largely ignorant on the subject.

Notes above Lyle

[El Kabong]

I was just making a comment on the "sectarian violence" which MAINLY occurs with the Sunni and Shia but others are involved.

My problem is with all kinds of violence, a Christian martyr doesn't KILL anyone, they just accept their own fate if that single idea was common in Islam then the world would be a better place. The IRA vs Northern Ireland was more a political fight than religious.

I know quite a few muslims and they may feel the same as your friends BUT they don't have a stage or an audience. As for me vs the "Turbo Christians" I don't have an audience or stage either....unless you know anyone

[JazMerkin]

I was just making a comment on the "sectarian violence" which MAINLY occurs with the Sunni and Shia but others are involved.

What like Western Armed Forces?? Because I'd very much like you to find me another branch of Islamic religious thought that is involved in this conflict. If it's religion you are talking about then it doesn't involve Kurds who are generally Shia.

My problem is with all kinds of violence, a Christian martyr doesn't KILL anyone, they just accept their own fate if that single idea was common in Islam then the world would be a better place. The IRA vs Northern Ireland was more a political fight than religious.

That single idea is common in Islam, but it isn't common among terrorists. That idea is common among Christianity, but it isn't among Loyalists or Republicans who die murdering people. How hard is this? Btw it wasn't the 'IRA vs Northern Ireland', the issue was far more complex than that. Northern Ireland is mixed with Catholics & Protestants. There was terrorism from BOTH sides. Both IRA (Republicans) & groups like the UDA (Loyalists). Do you really think the issue with Sunnis & Shias in Iraq isn't political. You're right it has nothing to do with Saddam's subjugation of the Shia majority. Nope, that's TOTALLY different from Northern Ireland.

I know quite a few muslims and they may feel the same as your friends BUT they don't have a stage or an audience. As for me vs the "Turbo Christians" I don't have an audience or stage either....unless you know anyone

You know quite a few Muslims, but you've never asked their opinion on this issue you care so much about?? Lyle, are they friends or are they simply people who serve you food at a restaraunt? Anyway let me understand this, you accept that most Muslims are against it, but don't have the means to show it. Who should? Tell me which Muslims with an audience you'd like to see condemning it?

Once again, notes above Lyle

[El Kabong]

OK Jaz, thanks for your "notes" and all but since you would rather be a condescending asshole than debate this topic like an educated man, I'm going to just give up on this thread.

I don't know what you think about me personally but to assume that I have no muslim friends and to insult me like that....that's uncalled for.

[Andre]

To be honest mate;

i'd like to see Muslims openly marching in the streets with placards with their Mullahs and priests or whatever, in the lead 'Saying terrorists get out of our Religion! go make your own one, you murder ,we dont. Stop hiding amongst us, get out. You are against the compassion of Allah and his people.

I'd like to Christians marching too saying we are your brothers and sisters sorry we have killed some of you in bomb drops and kept you out of the loop in world affairs. Our leaders are quite evil like that, sorry!