Is Israel a terrorist state?

[Gandalf]

I voted "No." The title/basis of this thread is ridiculous. Not even worth responding to.

I've come to conclude that the Israeli/Palestinian issue will never be solved. We'll be reading about it when we're old men. Palestinians and Israeli's will never embrace the examples set forth by MLK and Ghandi as they should.

Israel's threat to world peace is a very serious issue and the way they go about asserting their 'authority' is by acting in a way that might be quite easily described as state sponsored terrorism. Of course, it isn't just Israel. Our own nations are guilty of the most heinous crimes against humanity too.

[Gandalf]

My argument always stems back to the issue of Israel's creation. If I owned some land and the International community then took away my land and cast me aside because they wanted to give it to a preferred group of people, I can guarantee you that I would try and forcibly remove those bastards. If that means killing them and that is what it has to come down to then so be it. I can understand the Palestinian plight and would even go as far as to say I have some empathy with suicide bombers and people willing to give up their lives for the cause. Israel has no legitimate reason for existence in my eyes. It's a phony state set up by imperialistic forces.

It is there though, and that is a huge shame. It's like a huge sore on the face of the world. I would quite like to pick it off and allow the Palestinians to inhabit fresh new skin. Now if the Palestinians would be so kind as to allow Jews to live within the borders then that would be very nice and they should give them equal rights too. But Israel is there and they will continue to get away with their occupation, settlement building and persecution of the very people who most belong there.

It's beyond me how anyone can defend a rogue state like that.

[generalbulldog]

My argument always stems back to the issue of Israel's creation. If I owned some land and the International community then took away my land and cast me aside because they wanted to give it to a preferred group of people, I can guarantee you that I would try and forcibly remove those bastards. If that means killing them and that is what it has to come down to then so be it. I can understand the Palestinian plight and would even go as far as to say I have some empathy with suicide bombers and people willing to give up their lives for the cause. Israel has no legitimate reason for existence in my eyes. It's a phony state set up by imperialistic forces.

It is there though, and that is a huge shame. It's like a huge sore on the face of the world. I would quite like to pick it off and allow the Palestinians to inhabit fresh new skin. Now if the Palestinians would be so kind as to allow Jews to live within the borders then that would be very nice and they should give them equal rights too. But Israel is there and they will continue to get away with their occupation, settlement building and persecution of the very people who most belong there.

It's beyond me how anyone can defend a rogue state like that.

You know people will call you anti-semitic for your little rant right?
People love to play that card to stifle any criticism of this illegitimate nation.

On a serious note, what do you think is a feasible solution? It's been in existence for more than 60 years. The Jews aren't going to give back the land and they have their sugar daddy the US backing them up.

More often than not, might makes right. And that has always been a part of human history including nation states. Is it right? Of course not, but that's always been the case.

[Gandalf]

My argument always stems back to the issue of Israel's creation. If I owned some land and the International community then took away my land and cast me aside because they wanted to give it to a preferred group of people, I can guarantee you that I would try and forcibly remove those bastards. If that means killing them and that is what it has to come down to then so be it. I can understand the Palestinian plight and would even go as far as to say I have some empathy with suicide bombers and people willing to give up their lives for the cause. Israel has no legitimate reason for existence in my eyes. It's a phony state set up by imperialistic forces.

It is there though, and that is a huge shame. It's like a huge sore on the face of the world. I would quite like to pick it off and allow the Palestinians to inhabit fresh new skin. Now if the Palestinians would be so kind as to allow Jews to live within the borders then that would be very nice and they should give them equal rights too. But Israel is there and they will continue to get away with their occupation, settlement building and persecution of the very people who most belong there.

It's beyond me how anyone can defend a rogue state like that.

You know people will call you anti-semitic for your little rant right?
People love to play that card to stifle any criticism of this illegitimate nation.

On a serious note, what do you think is a feasible solution? It's been in existence for more than 60 years. The Jews aren't going to give back the land and they have their sugar daddy the US backing them up.

More often than not, might makes right. And that has always been a part of human history including nation states. Is it right? Of course not, but that's always been the case.

Yeah, I know, but I don't really care.

My favourite Jew would have to be Chomsky and I really like his views when it comes to Israel/Palestine. A two state solution is probably the only solution now. It's about the Palestinians settling for far less than in an ideal situation, but when the imperialists are blinkered and immoral, it's kind of difficult to get a completely fair settlement. I think the Geneva accord proposals which are based somewhat on 1967 border principles is probably the most reasonable way of settling it all. Neither party would be happy (especially the Israeli's), but it's as reasonable as one could expect. My honest feelings are that Israel should be grateful for whatever they get, because they don't really deserve anything. But that's just me being 'anti-semitic'.

[Gandalf]

Actually, I would care if someone thought I was anti semitic because I'm obviously not. I hardly march up and down ranting about the Jews. My issue is always with injustice and in this situation see a strong element of injustice. I loath the Israeli state as it currently exists, but that doesn't mean I hate the vast bulk of its citizens who are probably very fair people. Unfortunately, none of us have any real control over our political elites.

[Gandalf]

I was watching this video earlier this afternoon and it made for frustrating viewing. You try telling any of these people that Israel is not a terrorist state. They occupy land that isn't their own and then they butcher anyone that they percieve might be an independant thinking human being. Of course there wil be resistance against illegal occupation. Israel is like apartheid South Africa, in that it is a nation that no others should touch. It's criminal that the US has condoned these crimes for so many years and Israel continues to get away with crimes against humanity. I would love to get out there and see it all for myself one of these days. I would dearly love to spit on an Israeli soldier, how can those people do the job they do? Disgusting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5_4F45moNE

[Andre]

My argument always stems back to the issue of Israel's creation. If I owned some land and the International community then took away my land and cast me aside because they wanted to give it to a preferred group of people, I can guarantee you that I would try and forcibly remove those bastards. If that means killing them and that is what it has to come down to then so be it. I can understand the Palestinian plight and would even go as far as to say I have some empathy with suicide bombers and people willing to give up their lives for the cause. Israel has no legitimate reason for existence in my eyes. It's a phony state set up by imperialistic forces.

It is there though, and that is a huge shame. It's like a huge sore on the face of the world. I would quite like to pick it off and allow the Palestinians to inhabit fresh new skin. Now if the Palestinians would be so kind as to allow Jews to live within the borders then that would be very nice and they should give them equal rights too. But Israel is there and they will continue to get away with their occupation, settlement building and persecution of the very people who most belong there.

It's beyond me how anyone can defend a rogue state like that.

You know people will call you anti-semitic for your little rant right?
People love to play that card to stifle any criticism of this illegitimate nation.

On a serious note, what do you think is a feasible solution? It's been in existence for more than 60 years. The Jews aren't going to give back the land and they have their sugar daddy the US backing them up.

More often than not, might makes right. And that has always been a part of human history including nation states. Is it right? Of course not, but that's always been the case.

Yeah, I know, but I don't really care.

My favourite Jew would have to be Chomsky and I really like his views when it comes to Israel/Palestine. A two state solution is probably the only solution now. It's about the Palestinians settling for far less than in an ideal situation, but when the imperialists are blinkered and immoral, it's kind of difficult to get a completely fair settlement. I think the Geneva accord proposals which are based somewhat on 1967 border principles is probably the most reasonable way of settling it all. Neither party would be happy (especially the Israeli's), but it's as reasonable as one could expect. My honest feelings are that Israel should be grateful for whatever they get, because they don't really deserve anything. But that's just me being 'anti-semitic'.

My favorite Jew is George Costanza.

lol, That scene where he plays the Nazi leader to get a free ride in a limo from the airport. hahaha

[Nameless]

It is quite difficult actually not to see how Israel is plainly wrong in their way to operate and how they are extremely illegal all around and they are the one who fostered Intifada. Now they say "look terrorists terrorists" but never looked at the causes of that consequence... which is because they always played the hard line and refused to compromise, David Ben Gourion, Meir Amit, Netanyahu all wanted all the share of the cake and to push the palestinians away. Rabin understood the nonsense, accepted peace and got killed for it. Now were are we? 250 (more or less) motions from the United Nations condemning Israel but voided by the US veto, a bloodbath, many houses on the Palestinian side destroyed in retaliation and on a very fragile balance later, the David's star seems always to be unwilling to compromise.

[Andre]

We interrupt this discussion for a short intermission comedy break.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXCAKL9ESc

[Rantcatrat]

I voted "No." The title/basis of this thread is ridiculous. Not even worth responding to.

I've come to conclude that the Israeli/Palestinian issue will never be solved. We'll be reading about it when we're old men. Palestinians and Israeli's will never embrace the examples set forth by MLK and Ghandi as they should.

Israel's threat to world peace is a very serious issue and the way they go about asserting their 'authority' is by acting in a way that might be quite easily described as state sponsored terrorism. Of course, it isn't just Israel. Our own nations are guilty of the most heinous crimes against humanity too.

As is Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, and the United States. And so many nations are guilty of heinous crimes against humanity.

[Nameless]

I voted "No." The title/basis of this thread is ridiculous. Not even worth responding to.

I've come to conclude that the Israeli/Palestinian issue will never be solved. We'll be reading about it when we're old men. Palestinians and Israeli's will never embrace the examples set forth by MLK and Ghandi as they should.

Israel's threat to world peace is a very serious issue and the way they go about asserting their 'authority' is by acting in a way that might be quite easily described as state sponsored terrorism. Of course, it isn't just Israel. Our own nations are guilty of the most heinous crimes against humanity too.

As is Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, and the United States. And so many nations are guilty of heinous crimes against humanity.

Except that all the peace in the middle east, more or less, holds to what's going on in Gaza and that ISrael are doing crime against humanity every months or so by brutalizing an entire nation and stealing their lands, food and even water.

[Gandalf]

I voted "No." The title/basis of this thread is ridiculous. Not even worth responding to.

I've come to conclude that the Israeli/Palestinian issue will never be solved. We'll be reading about it when we're old men. Palestinians and Israeli's will never embrace the examples set forth by MLK and Ghandi as they should.

Israel's threat to world peace is a very serious issue and the way they go about asserting their 'authority' is by acting in a way that might be quite easily described as state sponsored terrorism. Of course, it isn't just Israel. Our own nations are guilty of the most heinous crimes against humanity too.

As is Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, and the United States. And so many nations are guilty of heinous crimes against humanity.

In their own ways they are. Its quite apt how the US fits so snugly amongst those other countries. Sad really.

Here is Ratner speaking more about what is going on in occupied territories. Palestinians being turfed out and settlers being moved in and backed by the military and manipulation of the law to suit only the Israeli side. These lands should not have Israelis in them and yet Palestinians are being forced to live in tents. These people must really hate the Palestinians to keep doing this to them. There is no justification nor defence for such an obvious violation of international law.

[Gandalf]

Ah, video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIf-yhEGjco

[Gandalf]

Thrown out to live in a tent! There are lots of Palestinians living like this and it is evil. These settlers should not be living in disputed land, especially when there are people already living there who have been there for generations. But what can you do when the rules are designed to ensure that you don't have a chance and where the state itself is racist and expansionist to the core.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3txrW...eature=related

Shame on the British and the Americans too for allowing Israel to roam free in the Middle East. They have gone to war with other nations for far less than Israels crimes against humanity.

[Gandalf]

It seems they even copy British passports and assassinate people. Now if that isn't terrorism and international espionage I don't know what is...

British threat to Israel over Dubai Hamas assassination - Telegraph