Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
Jaz, I'm done with the argument, sure I could take my time explain my points a bit more carefully so that you understand where I'm coming from but after this...

"Lyle, are they friends or are they simply people who serve you food at a restaraunt?"

I'm through debating with you
You know Lyle, for someone who hates the likes of Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson, you sure do get as easily offended as they do. Try to lighten up & see a bit of humour, rather than taking everything in the most offensive possible way.

Quote Originally Posted by miles
My argument always stems back to the issue of Israel's creation. If I owned some land and the International community then took away my land and cast me aside because they wanted to give it to a preferred group of people, I can guarantee you that I would try and forcibly remove those bastards. If that means killing them and that is what it has to come down to then so be it. I can understand the Palestinian plight and would even go as far as to say I have some empathy with suicide bombers and people willing to give up their lives for the cause. Israel has no legitimate reason for existence in my eyes. It's a phony state set up by imperialistic forces.

It is there though, and that is a huge shame. It's like a huge sore on the face of the world. I would quite like to pick it off and allow the Palestinians to inhabit fresh new skin. Now if the Palestinians would be so kind as to allow Jews to live within the borders then that would be very nice and they should give them equal rights too. But Israel is there and they will continue to get away with their occupation, settlement building and persecution of the very people who most belong there.

It's beyond me how anyone can defend a rogue state like that
Miles, you should read some of David Rose's stuff. He's a Jewish journalist, who has some great stuff regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it's definitely worth looking up his stuff.

Also it's worth reading up on the case of Thomas Hurndall to see just how vicious the Israeli state can get when outsiders try to 'threaten' it.