Lucian Bute

[Nameless]

Sorry mate, but that just isn't true. It's one of the great myths of that fight now that Bute won every round. One judge had Bute winning 10 of 12, the other two (including the Canadian judge) had him winnning 8 of 12. You're not going to try and tell me the judges were biased for Andrade on an InterBox show in Montreal are you??

Well i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.

I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?

Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.

I was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.

And that's generous, Jaz Merkin is just a grumpy young man

[JazMerkin]

Well i don't know what fight those judge were watching, who had Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds. Because there was only one round debatable, up until the 12th round.

I don't care what the judges had it, lets ask the people here, did anyone on here. Have Librado Andrade winning 4 rounds ? or anyone on forum for that matter ?

Because i saw Librado Andrade getting mostly dominated for 11 rounds, not in the league of Lacy vs Calzaghe or ETC. But it was pretty one sided Librado Andrade couldn't get anything going for 11 rounds IMO, except for one round which i might of scored for Librado Andrade, when he got in close but i can't remember what round that was.

I was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.

And that's generous, Jaz Merkin is just a grumpy young man

So that means that CFH had it scored the same as me. We can't all be Bute fanboys Nameless

[JazMerkin]

Aside from the old Andrade/Bute debate, I think Bute beats all the 168lbers with ease apart from Ward, Dirrell & Abraham. He might beat those guys, but I'd fancy Ward & Dirrell to narrowly outpoint him & Abraham's power means it's always a 50/50 fight regardless of how good your chin is & Bute's is pretty good.

[ICB]

Aside from the old Andrade/Bute debate, I think Bute beats all the 168lbers with ease apart from Ward, Dirrell & Abraham. He might beat those guys, but I'd fancy Ward & Dirrell to narrowly outpoint him & Abraham's power means it's always a 50/50 fight regardless of how good your chin is & Bute's is pretty good.

I think Andre Dirrell is quite fragile, he's been hurt in previous fights. And Lucian Bute does hit pretty hard, i think he would stop Andre Dirrell. And im quite confident in that prediction aswell.

As i said above im not completely sold on Andre Ward, his chin has been less than solid in the past. And he did have things going his way vs Mikkel Kessler, with the headbutts and ETC.

Plus it might of been just a perfect style match up, or maybe Andre Ward really is the real deal. We'll have to wait and see i guess.

[Nameless]

I was cheering for Andrade and I think I had given him 2 rounds before the 12th.

And that's generous, Jaz Merkin is just a grumpy young man

So that means that CFH had it scored the same as me. We can't all be Bute fanboys Nameless

No, you're both Andrade fan boy, admitted by both account But back to seriousness, I wouldn't mind if Bute lost 2-3 or 4 rounds, wouldn't make much difference to me as all 3 results mean a clean and more than convincing victory and as objective as I can be (assuming we can never be 100%), I do not give him nothing more than 2 including the 12th.
As for the judges, I would say that strange verdicts happen everywhere, why? I dunno, they didn't see the fight the same way or perhaps that the fact that there is a huge rivalry between Interbox and Gym did plays a bit of role, especially considering that the Grant brothers are hugely popular here and because they work with GYM which is the promotion powerhouse in Quebec at the moment (mainly because of the great influence of Yvon Michel, rated as one of the top 25 most important boxing figure on the scene at the moment). Not saying that it is the reason of the verdict but it realistically could have played a small role.

[JazMerkin]

No, you're both Andrade fan boy, admitted by both account But back to seriousness, I wouldn't mind if Bute lost 2-3 or 4 rounds, wouldn't make much difference to me as all 3 results mean a clean and more than convincing victory and as objective as I can be (assuming we can never be 100%), I do not give him nothing more than 2 including the 12th.
As for the judges, I would say that strange verdicts happen everywhere, why? I dunno, they didn't see the fight the same way or perhaps that the fact that there is a huge rivalry between Interbox and Gym did plays a bit of role, especially considering that the Grant brothers are hugely popular here and because they work with GYM which is the promotion powerhouse in Quebec at the moment (mainly because of the great influence of Yvon Michel, rated as one of the top 25 most important boxing figure on the scene at the moment). Not saying that it is the reason of the verdict but it realistically could have played a small role.

So a company that had no interest in the fight was somehow controlling the judges to spite InterBox?

I may be an Andrade fan, but I agree he was losing the fight and well. My criticisms of the fight were solely down to the refereeing throughout, nothing to do with Bute. Bute would have won and (again ignoring the controversial end) deservedly so. But, we've already shown that he didn't completely shutout Andrade for the prior 11 rounds because even you in all your Bute fandom have found another round that could be Andrade's. Thank you for proving my point, my good friend

[Nameless]

No, you're both Andrade fan boy, admitted by both account But back to seriousness, I wouldn't mind if Bute lost 2-3 or 4 rounds, wouldn't make much difference to me as all 3 results mean a clean and more than convincing victory and as objective as I can be (assuming we can never be 100%), I do not give him nothing more than 2 including the 12th.
As for the judges, I would say that strange verdicts happen everywhere, why? I dunno, they didn't see the fight the same way or perhaps that the fact that there is a huge rivalry between Interbox and Gym did plays a bit of role, especially considering that the Grant brothers are hugely popular here and because they work with GYM which is the promotion powerhouse in Quebec at the moment (mainly because of the great influence of Yvon Michel, rated as one of the top 25 most important boxing figure on the scene at the moment). Not saying that it is the reason of the verdict but it realistically could have played a small role.

So a company that had no interest in the fight was somehow controlling the judges to spite InterBox?

Honestly, it could... not saying it did but it could there has been a tons of bad blood between Yvon Michel and Eric Lucas because of some things that did happen during the era where Yvon Michel and Lucas were both in Interbox... they don't like each others but keep it civics, I am not kidding here, these facts are well known in Quebec and some articles on RDS have been written about it, I could skim the archives to see if I could find them...
As for the shut out... let's say that 10 (admitting we give Andrade 2) to 2 is quite a shut out

[Rantcatrat]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

[killersheep]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

I think he will, if Miranda wins a single round I'll consider it an upset to be honest.

[CFH]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

Miranda could always land his big right hand and chance everything, but Bute is a better fighter in literally every aspect of the game. I'd be surprised if Miranda didn't get stopped relatively early.

[Pantera]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

Bute seems very overrated here. I will tell you that there is no doubt in my mind that Miranda is more underrated though.

Bute may win, but there is no way Miranda will lose. Most people think Pantera has no chance. This will be a war. No chance Bute comes out a winner without the battle of his career.