Lucian Bute

[Pantera]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

Bute seems very overrated here. I will tell you that there is no doubt in my mind that Miranda is more underrated though.

Bute may win, but there is no way Miranda will lose. Most people think Pantera has no chance. This will be a war. No chance Bute comes out a winner without the battle of his career.

[Nameless]

Is everyone in agreement Bute will walk through Miranda?

Bute seems very overrated here. I will tell you that there is no doubt in my mind that Miranda is more underrated though.

Bute may win, but there is no way Miranda will lose. Most people think Pantera has no chance. This will be a war. No chance Bute comes out a winner without the battle of his career.

I would be surprised if it lasts 5 rounds. Miranda has power but that's about it, Goosen surely made him better but he doesn't have the speed or technique to fight back at what comes for him. If Bute did smoke off Andrade in a few rounds, I don't want to imagine what's coming off for him

[amat]

OK this is just a tale of 2 passing trains here going in different directions but you would honestly be surprised if it went 5 rounds? I don't see how you could be surprised. Bute has only stopped Andrade and Zuniga in that distance. The Andrade kayo came out of nowhere, and it wasn't the result of Bute pressing for a knockout, just a perfect shot. Zuniga was just an average fighter overwhelmed by the atmosphere itself it seemed. Other then that I can't think of anyone he's stopped in 5.

Miranda definitely is an underdog but at least he's a dog with a chance to win the fight, plus he has a few things working to his advantage. It's almost guaranteed that Bute will be fighting from the backfoot where he fights best. The only guys to have beat Miranda in the past have been those that chose to stand up to the bully and try to push the man backwards. Abraham just kind of exploded on him, but Ward and Pavlik systematically broke him down with pressure. Miranda will likely be the one bringing the heat. Bute isn't an inside fighter to say the least. Miranda is going to be able to at least fire off his shots without getting smothered.

Also, perhaps most importantly, if Bute thinks this is a walkover like many here do, then he's playing into Miranda's hands. Miranda is a mean dude in the ring, he is good at playing off a guy's fear and negativity (Allan Green) and maybe gets broken down by confidence. Bute likes to be cute in there sometimes just to show off, he's facing in my opinion the hardest puncher he's ever faced. He better be careful and not take unnecessary chances.

I still think he'll win but it would have to be a perfectly placed shot like against Andrade (who actually was having a better second fight early until the knockdown and knockout) to do it in less then 5 rounds. This is definitely as credible of a fight as any in the division available for Bute right now so I don't know why it would be taken lightly.

[Nameless]

OK this is just a tale of 2 passing trains here going in different directions but you would honestly be surprised if it went 5 rounds? I don't see how you could be surprised. Bute has only stopped Andrade and Zuniga in that distance. The Andrade kayo came out of nowhere, and it wasn't the result of Bute pressing for a knockout, just a perfect shot. Zuniga was just an average fighter overwhelmed by the atmosphere itself it seemed. Other then that I can't think of anyone he's stopped in 5.

Miranda definitely is an underdog but at least he's a dog with a chance to win the fight, plus he has a few things working to his advantage. It's almost guaranteed that Bute will be fighting from the backfoot where he fights best. The only guys to have beat Miranda in the past have been those that chose to stand up to the bully and try to push the man backwards. Abraham just kind of exploded on him, but Ward and Pavlik systematically broke him down with pressure. Miranda will likely be the one bringing the heat. Bute isn't an inside fighter to say the least. Miranda is going to be able to at least fire off his shots without getting smothered.

Also, perhaps most importantly, if Bute thinks this is a walkover like many here do, then he's playing into Miranda's hands. Miranda is a mean dude in the ring, he is good at playing off a guy's fear and negativity (Allan Green) and maybe gets broken down by confidence. Bute likes to be cute in there sometimes just to show off, he's facing in my opinion the hardest puncher he's ever faced. He better be careful and not take unnecessary chances.

I still think he'll win but it would have to be a perfectly placed shot like against Andrade (who actually was having a better second fight early until the knockdown and knockout) to do it in less then 5 rounds. This is definitely as credible of a fight as any in the division available for Bute right now so I don't know why it would be taken lightly.

IF Zuniga, Andrade (I remind you he did knock him down flush before the precise missile he did receive to the liver) or tough guy like the egyptian magician didn't make the limit, do you really expect Miranda to give any kind of challenge? You're serious Amat here? Miranda won't pass 7 rounds and I can bet what you want that it's gonna be a terrible battering.

[amat]

Did you read my post

I gave all the reasons why I don't think it is going to end early, and I definitely find Miranda to be a better fighter and more durable then everyone save Andrade and that was a shock, the same guy went 12 and took every punch he had cleanly. I just think it will be a decision win for Bute or a late stoppage if anything, that's all. I believe it took 7 full rounds for Pavlik to break him down and no way Bute is going to fight that type of fight.

[Nameless]

Did you read my post

I gave all the reasons why I don't think it is going to end early, and I definitely find Miranda to be a better fighter and more durable then everyone save Andrade and that was a shock, the same guy went 12 and took every punch he had cleanly. I just think it will be a decision win for Bute or a late stoppage if anything, that's all. I believe it took 7 full rounds for Pavlik to break him down and no way Bute is going to fight that type of fight.

Yes I did read it,

The thing is: Bute packs more or less the same kind of power as Pavlik (at least, in the same range). The only difference is that Bute is faster and will land clean more punches than what Pavlik did. Based on that, I doubt Miranda will survive more than 7 rounds. Anyway, the answer in more or less 48 hours

[amat]

We'll see but I think you're using generalizations as reasons here. Bute is a boxer-first while Pavlik was a pure pressure guy. Look at Cotto-Margarito then Margarito-Cotto. Cotto probably landed just as many punches as Mosley but the difference was that Mosley didn't give Margarito the chance to come forward. If Bute chooses to do the smart thing, fight a range fight and outbox Miranda then I just don't see the early knockout coming by way of anything but the one special shot. Pavlik came out and blasted with Miranda, Ward came in and got in his kitchen and bullied him and he only got a decision out of it, Bute won't be fighting as aggressively as either of those guys imo because that's just not his style of fighting.

[Rantcatrat]

OK this is just a tale of 2 passing trains here going in different directions but you would honestly be surprised if it went 5 rounds? I don't see how you could be surprised. Bute has only stopped Andrade and Zuniga in that distance. The Andrade kayo came out of nowhere, and it wasn't the result of Bute pressing for a knockout, just a perfect shot. Zuniga was just an average fighter overwhelmed by the atmosphere itself it seemed. Other then that I can't think of anyone he's stopped in 5.

Miranda definitely is an underdog but at least he's a dog with a chance to win the fight, plus he has a few things working to his advantage. It's almost guaranteed that Bute will be fighting from the backfoot where he fights best. The only guys to have beat Miranda in the past have been those that chose to stand up to the bully and try to push the man backwards. Abraham just kind of exploded on him, but Ward and Pavlik systematically broke him down with pressure. Miranda will likely be the one bringing the heat. Bute isn't an inside fighter to say the least. Miranda is going to be able to at least fire off his shots without getting smothered.

Also, perhaps most importantly, if Bute thinks this is a walkover like many here do, then he's playing into Miranda's hands. Miranda is a mean dude in the ring, he is good at playing off a guy's fear and negativity (Allan Green) and maybe gets broken down by confidence. Bute likes to be cute in there sometimes just to show off, he's facing in my opinion the hardest puncher he's ever faced. He better be careful and not take unnecessary chances.

I still think he'll win but it would have to be a perfectly placed shot like against Andrade (who actually was having a better second fight early until the knockdown and knockout) to do it in less then 5 rounds. This is definitely as credible of a fight as any in the division available for Bute right now so I don't know why it would be taken lightly.

Amat,

Bute choosing Miranda was a bit of a letdown to me because he fits the mold of many of Bute's past opponents and no better than most of them. Big punchers lacking a lot of boxing skills (e.g. Berrio, Zuniga, Andrade, Bika, Salem). Bute is an "A" level fighter and I want to see him tested against other "A" level fighters. Don't get me wrong Andrade and Bika are legitimate wins, but I wouldn't place them in elite status. I understand most of his division is locked up in the Super Six and maybe this was the best fight he could make.

That said, I guess you don't think of this as a walk in the park for Bute. Fair enough. I can just see Bute haters, after he wins this fight, using it as an example of Bute not facing good competition. Well, at least you won't be one of them .

What happens if Martinez beats Pavlik this weekend (as many of the British posters predict) and/or Bhop retires? It's far from a remote possibility. Then who does Bute fight?

Just so you know, you said the shot that knocked out Andrade "came out of nowhere." I beg to differ. Bute's accuracy and shot placement isn't a fluke: he's beat 7 of his 25 opponents by perfectly placed body shots (apologizing in advance for self promoting but check an old posting on my blog for video of them). Clearly, at least one thing he's doing correctly is placing his punches to the body.

[amat]

I'm definitely not a Bute hater, just a realist. I'm actually of the opinion that he's the 2nd best SMW in the world and I actually like the fact that he's not in the Super 6. I think he beats Miranda easy but I just don't think he is going to KO him early, that's all. And he was already 10 feet away from Andrade by the time Andrade fell Everyone thought that fight was going 12, it was a spectacular KO but I don't think that means he is automatically going to get everyone out of there in less then 5 rounds.

Also, Miranda shouldn't be knocked as an opponent. He is what he is and in my opinion he's the best guy in the division that Bute hasn't already faced.

Also, I think Miranda is more capable then Berrio, Zuniga, Andrade, Bika and Salem. I may be in the minority there but he's only lost to A+ guys and he's the only guy from that list who's actually beat a Super 6 (or Super 7) guy.